Period

No, he could get Hurt.

Lesson learned

Then at these right wing get togethers in city centres why are the majority of the participants acting violent 40+?

I agree it's too much to expect a driver to step in themself. He should have told him to get off and contacted police.

My age has nothing to do with it, so bringing it up to invalidate my opinion and telling me I need to grow up and that ‘anyone with half a brain’ would be against violence, is most definitely making it person, but like I said, you do you.

As it happens, I don’t believe in violence, unless you’re being attacked and then I believe you should defend yourself within a certain level, if they had dragged him to the floor and kicked his head in, I’d agree with you, but they didn’t, as far as victims of racial abuse and violence go, they were quite restrained

The girl was the best of the lot, trying to ensure there was no violence, its nasty to hit out at an old person like that, the guy could be done for GBH now and get a record, you need to control yourself in public, yes the old guy was a racist but he now has the upper hand with a big egg on his forehead :omgno:

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Talk **** get hit
Age is just a number

should of thrown him off the bus when an incoming trunk was on it’s way :love:

Thank you Ammi, having words put in my mouth gets quite tiring, so does being told my views are less valid first because of my sexuality and now my age

Yet we’re told we should respect and acknowledge everyone else’s opinion as equal, it’s exhausting at times

I cover my bases Kizzy [emoji14]

Those people are not grown ups, and do not have half a brain between them.

A shame that folks won't really watch this and just scroll past it, especially the ones that really need to see it, in particular the "white genocide" crew.

I'll temper my opinions to spare your feelings then shall I?

No one is putting words in your mouth, you've consistently advocated for violent retaliation throughout the thread. I'd gather the quotes but honestly there are so many I don't think that's even necessary.

You haven’t hurt my feelings at all, I just find it hypocritical that you’re one of the first ones to get on your high horse and say people shouldn’t make discussions personal or, we shouldn’t try to invalidate people’s opinions, yet you’re quite happy to do both of those things yourself, if you want to debate my opinions that’s fine, that’s what SD is, but I think you’ll find it’s against the rules to insult and discuss people’s characters, but like I said, if that’s what you want to do then fine

I haven’t advocated violence, I’ve advocated self defence against violence, if you think people should just sit back and let someone swing on them, that’s perfectly fine, good for you, I believe people have the right to defend themselves up to a certain point and if you don’t agree, that’s also fine

One crime or immoral act shouldn't be used to justify another, especially when it's coming from a weak old man who can be ignored.

The entire video is excellent (and helps contextualise the excerpts), though probably a bit much to expect people to sit through. I used to be of the school of thought that “all violence is bad and made equal” until I watched this and did some follow up reading

You're mixing up ad hominem with holding an opinion relevant to the topic that happens to apply to you, and you therefore find offensive.

I said that advocating retaliatory violence is a dumb thing to do. I stand by that.

I said that in my experience, younger people are more likely to advocate for retaliatory violence. I stand by that.

Both statements are 100% relevant to the thread. They are not unrelated personal attacks. In order to not offend you or be accused of getting personal, I would have had to keep those valid opinions out of the discussion.

That's not how it works. You feeling personally attacked by an opinion relevant to the topic does not make those opinions ad hominem attacks. :shrug:

That isn't what happened though, he didn't immediately swing back in self defense, he retaliated. They're not the same thing.

Who decided to reincarnate the Dinosaurs

You as a white straight man have nothing to feel frustrated about though do you?

You just moralise to others who have direct experience of prejudice.

Remember you mentioned groupthink recently? You have been told that young people can't rationalise and you've applied it here.
However, you also know that psychologically our experiences shape us as people, that is counter to the 'growing up' or 'maturing brain' theory isn't it? and is personal to each individual.
Liams experiences as a gay man of prejudice might have more to do with his response than how old or younget he may be.

I find the suggestion that a man of 25 is still not seen as having a brain capable of rationale, and when does that begin to decline 40+? So you are only at optimum decision making capacity for 15yrs of your adult life?
How has the human race survived for so long on such limited efficacy?

You said you’d give me the benefit of the doubt that my opinion is because I’m young, therefore invalidating my opinion because of my age, whatever your experience, it’s got nothing to do with me, I didn’t find what you said offensive, I just think it’s completely arrogant to assume I only think the way I think because of my age and that I’ll think differently when I ‘grow up’

You must be watching something completely different, the old bigot swung and the bloke swung back.

If the bigot had just been a bigot and was spouting words and he was punched, I’d agree with you, but the fact of the matter is, he started the violence, we have no right to expect people not to defend themselves based on who’s doing the violence, do I think every act of violence deserves a physical reaction? No, but I refuse to condemn people who act out of self defense against volatile, violent racists, no matter how many times you call me dumb or childish.

The development of abstract reasoning happens in early adolescence (12+ Kizzy, at no point have I tried to say that a 25 year old isn't capable of abstract reasoning ffs :joker:. Talk about conflation.

Also are you using "frustration" as advocacy for personal physical violence?

...I’ll try to find time to watch it i it’s entirety, Jack...is it of the thought processing of ‘all responses aren’t equal..’...type thing..?.../...I will try to find time to watch it, though...

Or...you've just disproved your own opinion.

Some young people have a certain response and some older people have a certain response then age is not the factor
You are also implying that intelligence is a factor, which imo Liam disproves because he advocates a certain way and he is very intelligent. So what's left? Life experience.