I didn't miss the point but it wasn't well written... it could have worked in a myriad of different ways - e.g. if the conversation had been a month later, it could have worked. If Jill had simply been furious/upset about not getting to be with him when he died, it could have worked. BUT she's literally only just found out that he's gone and she has a pre-prepared, cold and calculated take-down for someone who has just seen their child die? It's a narrative mis-step in the first place.

That aside... as she walks away the mum is all of a sudden apologetic and saying "I'm sorry... I didn't know..." which is so far from the realms of realism for how ANYONE would be reacting in that situation that it jumps the shark completely. Let alone a character who has been portrayed as being blinkered and bigoted up until this point... was Jill's speech so poignant that it would somehow reach a freshly-grieving mother and change her entire worldview? No... it's not realistic human psychology... she would be angry, broken and incredulous and tell Jill to go **** herself. Would that be fair or reasonable? No. SHOULD she be sorry for her attitudes and what they have lead to? Absolutely. But realistically, would she be, right there and then having only just heard it? Nope... no chance. Again to be realistic, she would have completely rejected the idea that it was her fault in that moment, and if you want a scene of her having absorbed it and accepted blame, it would come months later after sitting with it and hours of introspection. Even having her angry as Jill walked off, and then one little extra scene of Jill receiving an "I'm sorry, you were right" letter a while later, would have improved the writing there.

I know it's supposed to be a powerful scene but in terms of characterisation, it's not well written, which is a shame because the rest of the writing is brilliant.

I can’t bring myself to watch this, too many painful memories.
But I am so pleased this series has been aired.

Episode 3 just completly broke me.

This needs to be up for every single award in the 2022 season. If it doesn't win a BAFTA or Emmy I will be furious.

Episode 3 broke me. Genuinely the most upsetting piece of television I’ve watched in a long time.

I'd already watched this in full a couple of weeks ago but I know Episode 3 aired tonight and it's the hardest out of them all. Completely unexpected as well, which made it worse.

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Really heavy going tonight.
Excellently acted out however.
Very strong series.

Honestly can’t get over that episode :(

Also :clap1: you put it better than I could have

La! :love:

I want that to become a thing in my life

This was great but (understandably) miserable

Pissing in Thatcher’s tea was quality content though <3

It dont even have a decent soundtrack.

ok if that's all you're taking from the show that's thought provoking, captivating, heart warming and heart breaking all at the same time x

No provocation from me, I'm still watching it atm even though there are no songs from the 80s interludes.

Just binged the first three episodes and... well... I've been needing a good cry all week so that was a hell of a smack of catharsis.

....Jill’s mum was such a wonderful lady as well...she was played by the ‘real life’ Jill as well, which is pretty lovely...:lovedup:..


...yeah, you would have needed that cry..:hug:..I often find that I’m drawn to sad things when I’m feeling low because they do give release as well...

I always did wonder what happened to years and years

This was really a powerful and heartbreaking series.
Superbly acted.
One of the best things on TV for ages.

Just so sad.

Oh also why is Ritchie Tozer like the perfect gay :flutter:

I mean he's extremely flawed.

Not aesthetically m’love!

I mean, I'd probably say he's more the "stereotypical" and accepted gay image, which sucks to say.

Meh! He's no Nathaniel Hall

Well I’ve just done all 5 episodes the last couple of days. It broke me tbh

I binged the whole lot in a night when it dropped on All 4 which probably wasn't the wisest move psychologically, but my God, what a series. Broke me. Amazing. Russel T Davies is a genius.