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Ammi 21-03-2021 08:14 AM

...I was just reading this earlier so I thought I’d share it because it’s relevant to the topic and some thoughts from It’s A Sin Creator, Russell T Davies...


...I won’t post the whole article but I’ll pos5 the link if anyone wants to read the whole thing...



“My take is to cast gay as gay. Absolutely. I believe that profoundly. I think you not only get authenticity; you get revenge for 100 years of straight-washing”


NL: What’s your take on straight actors playing gay characters?

RTD: My take is to cast gay as gay. Absolutely. I believe that profoundly. I think you not only get authenticity; you get revenge for 100 years of straight-washing. I believe we have 40 or 50 gay speaking parts in It’s A Sin and they’re all played by gay actors. And actually, that’s very hard to do because you’re not allowed in an audition to ask someone whether they’re gay or not. And that’s a great rule: just as the head of Tesco can’t ask someone who wants to work on the shop floor whether they’re gay or not. Nonetheless, you can make it clear that you’re very open to openly gay actors coming in to audition. And then some smart voice will inevitably chime in with, ‘Well, you don’t mind gay actors playing straight.’ And I’ll tell you what, no, I don’t mind a gay actor playing straight. Because from the age of eight, gay people learn to fit in with the straight world and act straight. That’s something we know very profoundly in our hearts. So if you want a great performance, cast a gay actor as a straight man because he’s been studying how straight men behave for an awful long time.




https://www.anothermag.com/design-li...view-interview

Elliot 21-03-2021 08:54 AM

A lot of the time it feels like a caricature. Honestly I don’t care but there are a surplus of lgbtq actors to give roles to if directors really wanted representation

Oliver_W 21-03-2021 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11021162)
...I was just reading this earlier so I thought I’d share it because it’s relevant to the topic and some thoughts from It’s A Sin Creator, Russell T Davies...


...I won’t post the whole article but I’ll pos5 the link if anyone wants to read the whole thing...



“My take is to cast gay as gay. Absolutely. I believe that profoundly. I think you not only get authenticity; you get revenge for 100 years of straight-washing”


NL: What’s your take on straight actors playing gay characters?

RTD: My take is to cast gay as gay. Absolutely. I believe that profoundly. I think you not only get authenticity; you get revenge for 100 years of straight-washing. I believe we have 40 or 50 gay speaking parts in It’s A Sin and they’re all played by gay actors. And actually, that’s very hard to do because you’re not allowed in an audition to ask someone whether they’re gay or not. And that’s a great rule: just as the head of Tesco can’t ask someone who wants to work on the shop floor whether they’re gay or not. Nonetheless, you can make it clear that you’re very open to openly gay actors coming in to audition. And then some smart voice will inevitably chime in with, ‘Well, you don’t mind gay actors playing straight.’ And I’ll tell you what, no, I don’t mind a gay actor playing straight. Because from the age of eight, gay people learn to fit in with the straight world and act straight. That’s something we know very profoundly in our hearts. So if you want a great performance, cast a gay actor as a straight man because he’s been studying how straight men behave for an awful long time.




https://www.anothermag.com/design-li...view-interview

It's not a "straight world", it's everyone's world :shrug:

Tom4784 21-03-2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11021192)
It's not a "straight world", it's everyone's world :shrug:

Tell that to the people who get abused and/or killed for not being straight.

Oliver_W 21-03-2021 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 11021209)
Tell that to the people who get abused and/or killed for not being straight.

Okay, apart from places like Iran where they amputate gay men's genitals or elsewhere where gays get thrown off roofs etc...

It's everyone's world in the west!

Tom4784 21-03-2021 12:58 PM

Tell that to Eastern Europe in general, or basically everywhere, really, because hate crime is still a thing.

user104658 21-03-2021 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11021192)
It's not a "straight world", it's everyone's world :shrug:

I feel this is very glass-half-full. It's no one's world but a tiny select few and that becomes increasingly obvious year-on-year.

Oliver_W 21-03-2021 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11021228)
I feel this is very glass-half-full. It's no one's world but a tiny select few and that becomes increasingly obvious year-on-year.

Okay comrade ;)

Marsh. 21-03-2021 06:39 PM

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you get revenge for 100 years of straight-washing
This is an issue with a lot of "minority issues" in that it's all extremes now where nobody's fighting for equality, they want revenge and one extreme or another.

It doesn't lead anywhere good.

GoldHeart 21-03-2021 07:14 PM

Straight people should still be allowed to play LGBTQ roles, it just depends how they portray them.

I've cringed at some roles , because the characters are either too annoyingly camp and ott flamboyant/ stereotypical to be laughed at basically and not taken seriously . Also there's not always a character development , it's either sexual or just bitchy and sassy cliché :rolleyes: .

Oliver_W 22-03-2021 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11021228)
I feel this is very glass-half-full. It's no one's world but a tiny select few and that becomes increasingly obvious year-on-year.

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11021253)
Okay comrade ;)

Right that was low grade trolling on my part, I'm actually on your page there. I'm all for sticking it to The Man(tm). I'm not one of the Eat The Rich nutters, because everyone who happens to have money isn't quite The Man, but I'm still somewhat anti-authoritarian.

ALL THAT BEING SAID! It's my world as much as it is the straight guy's next door :shrug: In fact I have one more bedroom than him, so it's technically more my world than his!

Livia 22-03-2021 01:07 PM

If only gay actors can play gay roles then only heteros can play heterosexuals, surely. Otherwise it's highly unfair.

Babayaro. 22-03-2021 01:38 PM

I say yes, they should be allowed. But I wouldn’t say that the issue around it doesn’t matter.

Babayaro. 22-03-2021 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11020362)
We did this thread recently :think:. I can't remember what I said at the time. My current thoughts are that sexuality is complicated so I don't think sexuality should be a barrier to which actors get which parts - after all, I imagine many (most?) gay actors would be pretty hacked off if they were told they could no longer play straight characters.

However I do think people casting roles should be wary of "immitating personality traits". Not all gay people are camp, so I don't think it's an issue for a straight actor to be playing a character whose personality matches their own but just happens to have a different sexual preference, but I *do* think it's an issue for straight actors to... umm... "camp face"(?) and immitate stereotypically "gay character traits" that are not actually part of their own personality. Just find an actor that better matches the character.

pretty much this

Nicky91 22-03-2021 01:42 PM

we got a gay actor portraying a heterosexual male on our soap series here in my country

user104658 22-03-2021 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Babayaro. (Post 11021810)
I say yes, they should be allowed. But I wouldn’t say that the issue around it doesn’t matter.

I think that's a fair comment too; it shouldn't be "not allowed" but it also shouldn't be a "whatever" - there should be a level of awareness in making these casting decisions and the reasons for why someone is the best choice for the role...

My thinking I guess is that someone isn't defined by their sexuality so, for example, if someone is playing a character who is gay but the story is about a mental health struggle, then the best person for the role is someone who can accurately, sensitively and with understanding convey that mental health issue regardless of their sexuality.

On the other hand if (excuse the blunt term but) "gayness" or gay rights issues etc. are at the HEART of the story then it is probably approporiate to only cast gay actors who have that central to them - e.g. I would say "It's A Sin" for example clearly falls into that category.

So yeah overall I think it's not a "whatever, it doesn't matter" but at the same time, it's not a blanket "no" either - just something for casting directors to make sure they consider their reasoning on before casting.

user104658 22-03-2021 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 11021815)
we got a gay actor portraying a heterosexual male on our soap series here in my country

That's not unusual though, plenty of well known gay actors have played straight characters.


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