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arista 10-05-2021 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James (Post 11044051)
I think independence would be way more traumatic than Brexit. The EU is a collection of countries working together, and not a nation state with a national identity.


Good Warning there
James.

arista 10-05-2021 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 11044041)
Both the SNP and Green manifesto stated they would seek a ref in the next term so..



Yes LT
but once it gets into the High Court
and you Lose


Its Game Over.

joeysteele 10-05-2021 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11044216)
Yes LT
but once it gets into the High Court
and you Lose


Its Game Over.

I don't think they would lose in the high court actually.
If they took it there, and a manifesto commitment was ruled not to be valid after an election won.

It could open up constitutional chaos on manifesto commitments in other elections too.

No wonder slimy Gove indicated it wouldn't get to a court.
He knows that.

arista 10-05-2021 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11044245)
I don't think they would lose in the high court actually.
If they took it there, and a manifest commitment was ruled not to be valid after an election won.

It could open up constitutional chaos on manifesto commitments in other elections too.

No wonder slimy Gove indicated it wouldn't get to a court.
He knows that.


Gove MP refuses to talk about it
This in a few years
once Covid-19 is less of a problem
it will end up in High Courts
that could refuse her wish


I mean it's not all of Scotland
that will Vote for this.
So Democracy is not in this
in my view.

Nicky91 10-05-2021 07:55 AM

No

let scotland remain under england's control pls


and hope Sturgeon retires from politics, that amateur can't do anything good anyway

Niamh. 10-05-2021 08:50 AM

I don't have any skin in the game but I think because of Brexit they probably should get a chance to vote again

joeysteele 10-05-2021 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 11044248)
No

let scotland remain under england's control pls


and hope Sturgeon retires from politics, that amateur can't do anything good anyway

Are you being serious.
Sturgeon is the most competent trustworthy leader of any Party at present across the whole of the UK.

Livia 10-05-2021 08:57 AM

If they go ahead with another referendum and they don't get the result they want again, do they get to do it over and over? Wasn't the last referendum said to be a "once in a lifetime vote".

arista 10-05-2021 09:01 AM

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joeysteele 10-05-2021 09:03 AM

Democracy should be if the voters vote for Parties advocating change.
Then regardless of how many times it happens, it should be voted on.

That's real democracy.
Shackling people and Nations by one vote only is not real democracy.
I don't support refusing the will of the voters who bother to vote.

arista 10-05-2021 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11044268)
Democracy should be if the voters vote for Parties advocating change.
Then regardless of how many times it happens, it should be voted on.

That's real democracy.
Shackling people and Nations by one vote only is not real democracy.
Refusing the will of the voters who bother to vote.


Its Not Democracy
only half to vote.

joeysteele 10-05-2021 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11044269)
Its Not Democracy
only half to vote.

That's ridiculous arista and I'm surprised you say it

arista 10-05-2021 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11044270)
That's ridiculous arista and I'm surprised you say it


All I am saying is you would need everyone to vote for it
and so many do not want to be Cut Off.

joeysteele 10-05-2021 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11044273)
All I am saying is you would need everyone to vote for it
and so many do not want to be Cut Off.

Everyone to vote for it.
Did every single person vote for Brexit or just the majority of those who voted.

Did David Cameron get over ,50% of the votes cast in an election to hold the referendum in his manifesto.

He actually won that general election in 2015 with far less voters votes than the SNP got on Thursday.

arista 10-05-2021 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11044277)
Everyone to vote for it.
Did every single person vote for Brexit or just the majority of those who voted.

Did David Cameron get over ,50% of the votes cast in an election to hold the referendum in his manifesto.

He actually won that general election in 2015 with far less voters votes than the SNP got on Thursday.



This is Not like Brexit
That's a One only Vote

joeysteele 10-05-2021 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11044286)
This is Not like Brexit
That's a One only Vote

You may think that.

I can see Brexit revisited in around 12 years or so.
With the losses of the older voters and most newer voters favouring being in the EU.

Even moreso if Labour can be persuaded to adopt PR for elections.

There was only a 3.8% majority after all of those who actually voted.

smudgie 10-05-2021 10:50 AM

If Scotland can afford another referendum then I see no reason to stop them.
Maybe something re how often they could be held put in writing would help with all the mind numbing arguments about it.:shrug:

joeysteele 10-05-2021 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 11044328)
If Scotland can afford another referendum then I see no reason to stop them.
Maybe something re how often they could be held put in writing would help with all the mind numbing arguments about it.:shrug:

That's a good idea.
As to time ranges.

arista 12-05-2021 10:28 AM

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Cherie 12-05-2021 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11045164)

:joker:

joeysteele 12-05-2021 11:09 AM

If that cartoon pic was a real scenario, poor Nicola Sturgeon would be likely wanting a sick bucket for her pronto.

What a nightmare scene for her.

bots 12-05-2021 11:22 AM

if scotland actually want independence they will get it eventually, i can't see what the rush is at the moment just recovering from a pandemic. Nicola can't honestly say that pushing for it now is best for the country

Crimson Dynamo 12-05-2021 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11045178)
if scotland actually want independence they will get it eventually, i can't see what the rush is at the moment just recovering from a pandemic. Nicola can't honestly say that pushing for it now is best for the country

yes i guess she thinks well i just won an elction on the SNP ticket so i better say a few positive things about indyref2 but in actual fact she has her First MInister head on and realises that getting back on our feet is the priority

arista 13-05-2021 01:51 AM

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