Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11144496)

That's a 50,000 word post right there Oliver, it would essentially be impossible to go into. All I can really say is, with enough study of sociology, politics and history it becomes impossible to ignore that the very roots of "democracy", and really all politics, stretching back until the dawn of any sort of written record keeping, is unquestionably paternalistic, misogynistic and classist (and in my opinion the class system itself, and certainly the entire system of free market capitalism, is rooted in male instinct if you follow the thread far enough).

Not to be ironically classist about it but... It's not really something that it's possible to go into without vast amounts of background reading.

Once you see it though it becomes painfully obvious.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11144508)

The response is woeful.....

Priti has no answer to illegal mainly men crossing the channel, but women and children fleeing war and trying to come the legal routes...nah...bear in mind all of these people will have family members here already

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11144478)

Parliament is misogynistic by default so I think it's fine to call parliament misogynistic. It's just a statement of fact.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 11144526)

The problem with Priti Patel is that she's not tough enough on asylum seekers?

This is not a normal country.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11144533)

The point is she says we have to have checks to protect the UK but she has still not managed to do that with the channel crossers, she lets them in...she needs to do the same with the women and children...checking can be done in this side as it is with the channel crossers

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11144506)

parliament dates back centuries, so the fundamental constructs were formulated by men. A framework designed by men, for men. It's not difficult to understand that the only way to change that is to come up with a new framework that is not inherently biased

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 11144540)

What would you like her to do with the channel crossers, that, under international law, are within their rights to arrive in a country and claim asylum?

I mean, she was looking at creating sonic boom machines to capsize them or send them back into the waves at one stage, and she's tried making rescuing them punishable with a sentence.

We did the least when in the EU, now we're trying to do even less, so what do you think is the silver bullet she's missing?

If you hate having refugees arrive here, maybe campaign against selling the bombs to countries that create a constant supply of refugees to begin with. Also a solid climate change policy, because as the planet continues to heat up, more and more people will be displaced.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11144533)

The point is she says we have to have checks to protect the UK but she has still not managed to do that with the channel crossers, she lets them in...she needs to do the same with the women and children...checking can be done in this side as it is with the channel crossers

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11144548)

I don't hate anything about anything, just pointing out the inconsistencies of her approach

I have always said we should be giving refuge to the most vulnerable, you can check my post history if you care to

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11144518)

Parliament now is different to parliament then. Everyone who's in parliament is there because they stood, and were elected.



Maybe in some ways the world needs to wake up to the fact there are two genders and they both matter ... But when it comes to standing for election and actually voting, everyone is equal.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11144573)

Think I have closed the thread now I have turned into Zizu ...even my cup half full attitude is faltering :bawling:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11144573)

Think I have closed the thread now I have turned into Zizu ...even my cup half full attitude is faltering :bawling:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11144576)

Chizu rises from the ashes like a phoenix :laugh:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11144579)

It is a bit dramatic Cherie, Russia have struggled more than they thought to even take Ukraine, there's literally zero chance of them staging an effective invasion of Europe let alone the UK (the hardest part of Europe to invade).

Unless you're talking about nukes but we're obviously nowhere near that sort of worry yet. The important thing to remember on that front is that despite what the tabloids say... Putin is not insane. Power hungry and without conscience, maybe, but he hasn't "gone mad", its a completely false narrative.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11144496)

That's a 50,000 word post right there Oliver, it would essentially be impossible to go into. All I can really say is, with enough study of sociology, politics and history it becomes impossible to ignore that the very roots of "democracy", and really all politics, stretching back until the dawn of any sort of written record keeping, is unquestionably paternalistic, misogynistic and classist (and in my opinion the class system itself, and certainly the entire system of free market capitalism, is rooted in male instinct if you follow the thread far enough).

Not to be ironically classist about it but... It's not really something that it's possible to go into without vast amounts of background reading.

Once you see it though it becomes painfully obvious.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11144579)

It is a bit dramatic Cherie, Russia have struggled more than they thought to even take Ukraine, there's literally zero chance of them staging an effective invasion of Europe let alone the UK (the hardest part of Europe to invade).

Unless you're talking about nukes but we're obviously nowhere near that sort of worry yet. The important thing to remember on that front is that despite what the tabloids say... Putin is not insane. Power hungry and without conscience, maybe, but he hasn't "gone mad", its a completely false narrative.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 11144579)

It is a bit dramatic Cherie, Russia have struggled more than they thought to even take Ukraine, there's literally zero chance of them staging an effective invasion of Europe let alone the UK (the hardest part of Europe to invade).

Unless you're talking about nukes but we're obviously nowhere near that sort of worry yet. The important thing to remember on that front is that despite what the tabloids say... Putin is not insane. Power hungry and without conscience, maybe, but he hasn't "gone mad", its a completely false narrative.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11144586)

unfortunately, i rate your position as somewhat optimistic. Nukes and other devastating ordinance could easily come into play from russia. Nukes are not the only catastrophic weapons they have available

Originally Posted by glib (Post 11144587)

Putin isn’t power hungry but has invaded Ukraine to get power over Crimea? Right