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bots 21-07-2023 09:38 AM

logically, labour should win the next election, but more and more elections are won by the party that captures the public support for the issue of the moment. Brexit did it for the tories last time, opposition to ULEZ did it for the london candidate this time. Who knows what issue of the moment will surface in the run up to the election

Crimson Dynamo 21-07-2023 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11311003)
logically, labour should win the next election, but more and more elections are won by the party that captures the public support for the issue of the moment. Brexit did it for the tories last time, opposition to ULEZ did it for the london candidate this time. Who knows what issue of the moment will surface in the run up to the election


bots 21-07-2023 09:49 AM

add to that the woke agenda, the banks, immigration. There are a few bubbling topics that could win/lose an election

joeysteele 21-07-2023 10:17 AM

Well it's got Ed Davey very excited anyhow.

bots 21-07-2023 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11311008)
Well it's got Ed Davey very excited anyhow.

the lib dems are always like that until the results come in for the GE :laugh:

Cherie 21-07-2023 10:30 AM

Its pretty grim that Labour didn't see the extension of the ULEZ charge as an issue and only changed tack half way through the campaign, how out of touch can you be?

arista 21-07-2023 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11311013)
Its pretty grim that Labour didn't see the extension of the ULEZ charge as an issue and only changed tack half way through the campaign, how out of touch can you be?


Yes
Danny did not think it was important
at the start, then was scared of the press.

Danny was Labour Stupid

arista 21-07-2023 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11311008)
Well it's got Ed Davey very excited anyhow.

Still a Small party

joeysteele 21-07-2023 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11311017)
Yes
Danny did not think it was important
at the start, then was scared of the press.

Danny was Labour Stupid


You called it right as to ULEZ, well done.
Good forecasting.

It did become the main issue there.
Danny tried to reconcile the message from the doorsteps on ULEZ with the fudging of Starmer on it.
Certainly that's the major factor that led to not winning this seat.
I felt for Danny really.

However, Uxbridge and Ruislip, nor when it was just Uxbridge, plus Ruislip as Ruislip and Northwood, this area has NEVER elected Labour
Not even under Blair in 1997.

Whereas in Selby and Ainsty, when Selby was its own constituency Labour did hold Selby marginally between 1997 to 2010.

arista 21-07-2023 11:12 AM

The 2 Keirs and Angela

Now Live

arista 21-07-2023 11:17 AM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/07...9927254696.jpg

Last Night Keir, 25

arista 21-07-2023 11:25 AM

Uxbridge and South Ruislip - Conservative HOLD

Steve Tuckwell, Tories: 13,965 votes (45.16%)

Danny Beales, Labour: 13,470 votes (43.56%)

Sarah Green, Green: 893 votes (2.89%)


Somerton and Frome - Lib Dem GAIN from Tories


Sarah Dyke, Lib Dem: 21,187 votes (54.62%)

Faye Purbrick, Tories: 10,179 votes (26.24%)

Martin Dimery, Green: 3,944 votes (10.17%)



Selby and Ainsty - Labour GAIN from Tories


Keir Mather, Labour: 16,456 votes (45.96%)

Claire Holmes, Tories: 12,295 votes (34.34%)

Arnold Warneken, Green: 1,838 votes (5.13%)




https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Uxbridge.html

arista 21-07-2023 12:53 PM

You nutter
using orange Paper like Just Stop Oli gits



arista 21-07-2023 06:06 PM

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/07...9927582172.jpg

Sunak happy with his one win


He Stated no one expected
the Conservatives to win this Uxbridge seat.

arista 21-07-2023 11:22 PM

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arista 21-07-2023 11:45 PM

Sky News Text:
[Rishi Sunak is preparing to launch a more
aggressive political campaign in an attempt
to shift Labour's lead in the polls with
divisive policies on crime, migrant boats
and transgender rights, The Times reports.]


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/l...475a71ea6c.png

UserSince2005 22-07-2023 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UserSince2005 (Post 11310550)
Love a bi 3 way

This is one ****ed up 3 way.

The conservatives are the straight acting dom top
The lib dem is the girl in the middle not getting too much attention
And labour is the gay bottom being destroyed.

Crimson Dynamo 22-07-2023 07:54 AM

Letter to the DT
 
SIR – The anti-Ulez victory in Uxbridge makes clear the only way the
Tories can win the next general election: the net zero targets and all the
impositions that would hit voters’ pockets must be scrapped in favour of
common-sense policies to grow the economy and make people’s lives easier.

The ban on new petrol cars in 2030 must go, as must the push for expensive
and inefficient heat pumps. Rishi Sunak should reshuffle his Cabinet to indicate
this radical change in direction.

Francis Bown
London E3

bots 22-07-2023 08:28 AM

i think the ditching of gas boilers and petrol/diesel cars have to go, the targets aren't going to be achieved anyway

joeysteele 22-07-2023 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11311183)
i think the ditching of gas boilers and petrol/diesel cars have to go, the targets aren't going to be achieved anyway

I can agree with this.

The problem with the green issues are, not that they're wrong in my view, also too when asked about support for green issues, in polling they are even strongly supported.
Then however once there's a financial issue for people such as with ULEZ and the upgrading of vehicles etc; then that support drifts away.

How to reconcile that is the problem both Labour and the Cons need to find a way to address.

Crimson Dynamo 22-07-2023 09:40 AM

I think i read that Khan made £100 million revenue in Ulez fines in 3 years

#cashgrab

arista 22-07-2023 10:39 AM

Starmer talking live in Nottingham
has had go at ULEZ,
picking on old cars, poor folks,
having to pay £12.50
a journey.

He does not want to lose other outer London seats/
at the general election.

But the London mayor will not stop it.

DemolitionRed 22-07-2023 07:02 PM

This greenwashed tax doesn't make the air any cleaner, does it?

joeysteele 22-07-2023 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11311202)
Starmer talking live in Nottingham
has had go at ULEZ,
picking on old cars, poor folks,
having to pay £12.50
a journey.

He does not want to lose other outer London seats/
at the general election.

But the London mayor will not stop it.

I understand a need to do something further on green issues however I cannot go with Khan on this.

This was generally accepted and it was Boris Johnson as Mayor who brought it in place.
For the London area.

However Khan has decided to extend it to the outer London areas.
Which has met with some opposition to it.
Did he consult enough or properly.
Starmer does need to apply some pressure to Khan on this as to its extension to the outer London areas certainly.

bots 22-07-2023 09:07 PM

Khan has given 9 months notice of the scheme, during a period that is very difficult for everyone


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