I agree with you here.

Absolutely raising the question when they were at a time alone would have been more appropriate.

It was for me a strong and very interesting part of the show last night.

I mean it in the sense that there is language for all sorts of demographical topics, be it gender, race, religion etc that is culturally either accepted or denied as appropriate language to use when discussing said topic. This language changes over time.

There is language related to race that is completely unacceptable to use today (be it as a general cultural disapproval, or even language that would genuinely land you in legal trouble) that - 50/100 years ago - would have been widely used and not considered offensive as an overall society. As discussion has developed over time, as have expectations and cultural rules about what is and isn't considered offensive to say.

This is the same for sexuality - although that development has come in the past 25/50 years. There are things and words that my gran would say about sexuality that, as a culture in general, we would probably consider inappropriate. None of it is meant in a malicious way, but her shaping of the world happened pre this development, and her ideas as to what is and isn't considered to be appropriate is stuck in the 90s as she hasn't really been exposed to the development of the topic in the cultural 'sphere' of wrong and right.

In this particular case - with trans being the topic - this cultural development is still in a very early and very 'live' stage, and most of it is happening over social media amongst 16-30 year olds. I don't imagine that Farida will herself have been given the opportunity to discuss, learn about or partake in the development of the topic as a whole.

That's the point that I am making - there are already general ideas forming as to what language could be considered offensive to say in relation to trans men and women. It isn't a rule book, in the same way that there isn't a rule book that tells you what you can and can't say or what language you can or can't use in a public forum about race or sexuality - it's a cultural understanding of what is considered offensive or non-offensive that shifts over time within society.

That's the beauty of Big Brother and why a mixture of ages and demographics is so much more interesting to watch, because you get to see this mixture of people come together who wouldn't normally have interacted on the outside world, and watch them learn from each other through their day-to-day discussions.

Farida could do with a few lessons in tact.
Ignorance is no excuse for lack of manners.
Her age has sod all to do with it.

Farida is a bit ignorant of current lifestyles. That's about it.

It was an ignorant question but there was no ill intent

I expect Hallie would be similarly ignorant of Farida's faith if she cared to ask about it

I feel like a bigger deal is being made of this outside the house than inside xD

That said, its cool to see the show generating conversations such as this

Hallie wont, too consumed with self (like most 18 year olds :laugh:)

I just think it was way too inappropriate a question for someone so young from a 50 year old lady and like a day after the reveal it was beyond impolite and intrusive.

Farida has no clue what's going on lol. But Hallie was bitching about her in the garden to Jenkin/Jordan/Henry/Paul(?) then the second time she was about to bitch about the situation to Zak but Farida came outside and she twisted it completely into "just talking about it".

Now I’d pay to listen in on that conversation !!


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Halle doesn’t immediately present as a young teenager though


I would have guessed Halle was 30 ish

I can’t imagine that they stop to wonder how old each person is before they start up a conversation


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Yes and we are only shown a snapshot of proceedings so I’d suggest that Halle has that very same conversation with EVERY other housemate .. if only to get their sympathy and as much screen time as possible


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Controversial stance I'm sure but gender and sexuality are complex these days;

There are zero straight men who would date a trans woman.

There are of course plenty of men who would date a trans woman, and even plenty of men who are exclusively attracted to female secondary sex characteristics and who exclusively date female-presenting people who would date trans women.

They're not straight, they are on the "Q spectrum" so to speak. Straight is straight, biological primary sex characteristics (which can't be factually changed).

All "thats not how I personally identify" etc etcs out of the way.


This isn't a judgement of any kind either, people are attracted to who they're attracted to and date who they date, but defining it as a straight relationship - while probably more comfortable for some men - just isn't accurate.

I don't think she was suggesting that all straight men are open to the idea of dating a trans women (But I would also delicately suggest that there are probably more than you would think though, especially behind closed doors). I think she was more saying that the men who do openly date trans women usually identify themselves as straight and not gay, because gay men wouldn't typically be attracted to a woman.

Farida knew Hallie was 18 on launch night

Hallie may look older than 18, but she has not shown any indicators that she is experienced in life in anything that she has done in the house. You need to know who you are speaking to before tackling any topic and Farida certainly didn't take account of that

Really? :think: I actually don't think that's true at all, although I'm sure it'd be a minority of straight men. I certainly don't think it makes them non-straight

On the other hand I think it's very unlikely to find a man who would exclusively date transwomen, that seems bizarre

I genuinely think Farida was just interested, but seems to have zero filter (in this conversation or any others she has had so far).

What a load of nonsense

…indeed, I think probably it is because it’s such an going debate and you could kind of feel it from the beginning when it was speculated that Hallie was a transgender housemate…but it’s so refreshing to see a conversation that actually takes place without the social media and media stuff, isn’t it…because I thought that it reflected a lot more with conversations that many do have and what is more familiar to many…this is a great group of housemate, I think….

Hallie getting caught gossiping about it later by Farida was rather excruciating

After the food task the daggers will be drawn, and it will all start going off come Saturday :laugh:

Yes I’m sure they all did but given their strange pressurised situation I don’t think Halle’s age would even register when they are conversing as she presents as a 30+ year old rather than an 18yr old


Tom on the other hand presents as a 16 yr old …


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This ^^^


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Wasn’t it just :)

Serves them right


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