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Zizu 04-11-2023 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 11372084)
Noky seems to talk a very empathetic game but her actions suggest something very different. Her constant sobbing/wincing is also getting rather grating, in particular the faces she pulled when the evictions were announced. Not saying you agree with me but the girl needs to get a grip I'd feel like I were walking on eggshells around her

It’s not her fault that she’s a delicate soul..
I bet most people would struggle like she has under the pressure that Paul has been applying to her for quite some time


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Zizu 04-11-2023 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11372088)
Not all people are hard faced robots. Some people are naturally emotional, and are just as valid as anyone else. It was the first time she had been up for eviction after a traumatic week. Really, some people should give their head a wobble

Exactly


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fruit_cake 04-11-2023 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11372088)
Not all people are hard faced robots. Some people are naturally emotional, and are just as valid as anyone else. It was the first time she had been up for eviction after a traumatic week. Really, some people should give their head a wobble
well that's fair until the 'head wobble' bit, but Noky only ever seems to display negative emotions. I'm not saying she has to join the 'I'm here for a laugh Paul Olivia gang' but she could lighten up a bit, it wouldn't do her any harm seems to me

Ithinkiloveyoutoo 04-11-2023 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 11372007)
…I agree with CeeCee…Paul displayed bullying behaviour and not just as a one time thing…/…he’s obviously not the only one as there was a pack mentality with regards to Chanelle for talking to the ‘the can’t talk to them group’…so she had to be ‘punished’ and iced out…that’s a typical playground bullying thing…as is…(…as CeeCee has said…)…’what/who you looking at…’…it’s diverting and trying to assume a power position over someone who is felt to be ‘ a weaker’ …bullying behaviour comes in many layers, it’s not a one size all specific thing …and Paul was displaying some of those layers…even with the sneak peek vid yesterday, the title referred to behaviour as bullying…and maybe possibly also why the live feed was cut, while it was all being looked into ….

…so far as Noky choosing Trish for the task as opposed to Olivia, for instance…?…I’m not sure how long she would have had to choose a ‘possessed’…(..I would think…)…that she would also think of who she felt would be best for a task partner …but also, whatever reason…she was choosing for a task, she didn’t know what the task was…she didn’t know anything that it would lead to in terms of any hostility …she just chose the person she felt would do the task well with her so that they passed, surely….
All of this. You put it way better than I did lol.

MTVN 04-11-2023 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 11372098)
well that's fair until the 'head wobble' bit, but Noky only ever seems to display negative emotions. I'm not saying she has to join the 'I'm here for a laugh Paul Olivia gang' but she could lighten up a bit, it wouldn't do her any harm seems to me
Really, I think the complete opposite. Loves dancing around at any parties, is very playful (see how she was with Zak, in the cork throwing etc), gets really into every task, has a very infectious laugh etc.

I think she's one of the liveliest personalities in there

fruit_cake 04-11-2023 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 11372103)
Really, I think the complete opposite. Loves dancing around at any parties, is very playful (see how she was with Zak, in the cork throwing etc), gets really into every task, has a very infectious laugh etc.

I think she's one of the liveliest personalities in there
yes you're not wrong just goes to show how we all focus in on different aspects of a housemate.

She did try to make the most of Yinrun's party but the jealous Paul ruined it for her and his behaviour was appalling. That said she has spent an enormous amount of her time sobbing or avoiding conflicts she was if not the instigator of, certaininly one of the main protagonists

Zizu 04-11-2023 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 11372103)
Really, I think the complete opposite. Loves dancing around at any parties, is very playful (see how she was with Zak, in the cork throwing etc), gets really into every task, has a very infectious laugh etc.

I think she's one of the liveliest personalities in there

Yeah agreed but it only takes the slightest thing to unsettle her due to her delicate state of mind in there .. thankfully Trish is there .
She’s the only one switched on enough to see when Noky is upset or struggling with something

The producers should be investigated when the series is over

They have not given the weaker ones any protection at all and targeted Trish because she’s made of strong stuff

Disgraceful


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MTVN 04-11-2023 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 11372106)
yes you're not wrong just goes to show how we all focus in on different aspects of a housemate.

She did try to make the most of Yinrun's party but the jealous Paul ruined it for her and his behaviour was appalling. That said she has spent an enormous amount of her time sobbing or avoiding conflicts she was if not the instigator of, certaininly one of the main protagonists
Fair enough, personally I don't think she's been at fault for any of the conflicts starting and the last week she's had would test anyone. I think she's actually shown a lot of strength to endure it and carry on

jj1994 04-11-2023 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 11371832)
When Paul and Olivia were chatting, they were right - Noky uses Trish to fight her battles for her. A real friend of Trish would have seen her getting emotional and stopped her from engaging with Paul.. which led to her accusing him of Bullying which for me is a step too far.

Noky left Trish to fend for herself, running away to the DR

And regarding Paul being a bully....
was Paul being a dickhead yes
Being an absolute twit yes
Bullying? no I don't think so. Bullying is a word that is way over used and to call that bullying detracts from real situations where people find themselves in desperate situations
Spot on!

Calling Paul a bully is most the 2023 thing ever.

I think the viewers of Big Brother are desperate to have a villain and it's landed on Paul this time round. It was Kerry before him, and funnily enough people have warmed to her since her interview.

By the way, i'm not Pauls biggest fan but to call him a bully is wild.

And you're right, it diminishes and detracts from real situations were people have been bullied.

People need to remember they're stuck in a house with not much to do - tensions are going to run high and they are going to blow up over little things.

It's also pissed me off people calling him racist/transphobic/homophobic on social media with literally ZERO evidence. It's scary how witch hunts happen these days.

Redrose 04-11-2023 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by GlitterUK (Post 11371844)
She may be 5ft 1 but her mouth is bigger than that alone.
She has a Napoleon complex.

Zizu 04-11-2023 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Redrose (Post 11372153)
She has a Napoleon complex.

Maybe a NoPauleon complex


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Ammi 04-11-2023 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 11372091)
It’s not her fault that she’s a delicate soul..
I bet most people would struggle like she has under the pressure that Paul has been applying to her for quite some time


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…I don’t think that Noky is a delicate soul, though…as she said, she’s someone who doesn’t involve herself in group situations ….she’s very much her own girl and that’s the way she prefers it…there would be strength in a group, that’s a large part of groups forming in a context such as the BB house…but she chooses not to be a part of that strength…that would make her a very strong person in many ways and she’s certainly very accomplished in her out of the house life…but she’s not someone that thrives well in confrontational/hostile situations etc …those situations are not part of her skill set or comfort zone if you like…but I would say that she’s shown great strengths…

joeysteele 04-11-2023 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 11371832)
When Paul and Olivia were chatting, they were right - Noky uses Trish to fight her battles for her. A real friend of Trish would have seen her getting emotional and stopped her from engaging with Paul.. which led to her accusing him of Bullying which for me is a step too far.

Noky left Trish to fend for herself, running away to the DR

And regarding Paul being a bully....
was Paul being a dickhead yes
Being an absolute twit yes
Bullying? no I don't think so. Bullying is a word that is way over used and to call that bullying detracts from real situations where people find themselves in desperate situations
I agree with all that.
Really well said

Ammi 04-11-2023 04:00 PM
…..if anyone who is interested to know more of Paul’s back story, as it were…his fighting career and what it means to him and his mental health…I found this vid, I haven’t watched it all myself because it’s a long watch, I’ve just watched some small parts…anyway, for his fans…or non fans…

Youtube video

GoldHeart 04-11-2023 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 11371832)
When Paul and Olivia were chatting, they were right - Noky uses Trish to fight her battles for her. A real friend of Trish would have seen her getting emotional and stopped her from engaging with Paul.. which led to her accusing him of Bullying which for me is a step too far.

Noky left Trish to fend for herself, running away to the DR

And regarding Paul being a bully....
was Paul being a dickhead yes
Being an absolute twit yes
Bullying? no I don't think so. Bullying is a word that is way over used and to call that bullying detracts from real situations where people find themselves in desperate situations

Paul's own friends Jenkin & Chanelle could see he was being a pr1ck .

Chanelle said something like " if I wasn't invited I wouldn't be that upset"

Jenkin told Paul to stop being a tw@t


Paul took it further than the other un invited hms , he threw objects ,he said he specifically wanted to p1ss off "Noky & Trish " , he wanted the drama. He provoked it . And when Noky didn't react ...he started bullying her by saying " what you looking at" . He tried to intimidate her and she answered him back.

Noky didn't expect Trish to fight ' her battles ' , she was just upset and Trish noticed this :shrug:.

Paul can't handle Trish so he goes back upstairs like the pathetic creep that he is . He started the whole thing ,then he gets upset when people defend themselves and stands up to him....he needs his head testing .

He even tried throwing away their cocktails. He's like a sad little baby who didn't get his bottle .

caprimint 04-11-2023 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 11372082)
then we're agreeing again on our roller coaster agreement disagreement :laugh:
:flutter:

Lostie! 05-11-2023 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 11371832)
Bullying? no I don't think so. Bullying is a word that is way over used and to call that bullying detracts from real situations where people find themselves in desperate situations
It's also commonly disregarded way too often when people have tunnel vision on what bullying is. It can be subtle and insidious, it's not always the high school "give me your money" stereotype.

Zizu 05-11-2023 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 11373194)
It's also commonly disregarded way too often when people have tunnel vision on what bullying is. It can be subtle and insidious, it's not always the high school "give me your money" stereotype.

Yes !

Even a sly look off someone can be intimidating when you are aware of their danger / capabilities


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Zizu 05-11-2023 01:46 PM
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CocaColin 05-11-2023 01:49 PM
People willing to jump through hoops to explain Paul's behaviour.

But Trish & Noky are criticised for any move they make. Interesting.

GoldHeart 05-11-2023 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by CocaColin (Post 11373204)
People willing to jump through hoops to explain Paul's behaviour.

But Trish & Noky are criticised for any move they make. Interesting.
Yeah Suddenly we should worry for Paul & Jenkin's mental health. I guess Noky & Trish are made of stone ? .


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