But we could have our own January 6th moment.:flutter:

I'm sorry, I couldn't help but be a bit of a morbid ****.:laugh:

Anyway, I've decided to definitely vote Reform. I can't vote for Keir's policies, I don't agree with his stances on things.

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Conservative Lucy Allan is supporting a Reform UK Alan Adams

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She is The MP for Telford
https://members.parliament.uk/member/4411/contact

Which things in particular?

Lucy Allan MP
now suspended from the Conservative Party

Mainly Immigration and this National Service nonsense. I'm not incredibly politically minded but I know I don't agree with those.

As far as I’m aware Kier Starmer hasn’t said anything about National Service apart from calling it a desperate moves for Sunak…

Oh, my error. I didn't fully answer the question correctly. National Service is of course a Conservative policy and on those grounds I wouldn't vote them either. Labour is mainly their immigration policies, as MTVN asked.

reform and labour are almost polar opposites in terms of political views. My advice would be to not vote rather than vote for a party because you have negative thoughts on others. If you really want to vote, then go listen to the candidates in your area and see which one makes the most sense individually, and vote for them. Then, at least, you are voting for positive reasons

Would you like immigration to be restricted more then?

I do appreciate that's a big issue but it's a difficult one, it'll be interesting what Labour actually pledge to do in their manifesto about it

Labour have commited to setting up an immigration task force, which is pretty meaningless given there are already trained staff in that role. That's what ive found a few times with labour, they call things by a different name and then try and re-spin it

Yes I would. As far as I can see Keir is all for welcoming even more in than at present.

Reform have no policies other than punishing immigrants, that’s the entire campaign, vote for us if you also don’t like immigrants, no plans, no ideas, just hatred

Fair enough, I think Keir kind of gets it on migration but it'll probably just be more of the same under Labour

I would recommend again looking at the Social Democratic party. They want to restrict immigration but are more in line with traditional Labour values than Reform are

Its traditional labour values that opened up the UK to mass immigration and the huge problems we have with the result. Millions of people who hate Britain and do not share our values all living here and still using all our services

Lol. Britain gonna Britain I guess.

Those are more neoliberal and New Labour values imo

In 2010 the nett mmigration figures when Labour left power was 250,00 +

After 14 years of the Cons nett migration now is 680,000+

I can't see where Labour could make that worse.

However my view of immigration and although I do believe the boats need stopping..
However that's only around 25,000 coming in them.
An extremely tiny percentage as to the full nett immigration figures.

I however don't and never will see any people, immaterial of where they're from or even think of them as just numbers to be discarded.
They're Human beings with feelings, hopes and dreams like the rest of the human race.
I'd rather show some compassion than heartlessness or any measure of any likely prejudice.

The stupid **** mockingly called it a "teenage dads army" forgetting in the process he would be tarnishing the memories of all the fallen teenagers who helped keep out the nazis.

do you like illegal immigrants breaking into the country?


presumably, you lock your car and your doors at night?

(I wont ask if you could house one as I am sure you would, but you just don't have the space :laugh2:)

Reform UK is making an important announcement live from Dover, with Nigel
Farage 10am today

I don't think it's tarnishing the memory of the countless teenage boys killed in war, to point out that it's unfathomable that all throughout history, rich comfortable men have sent barely-trained children (not their own rich ones) into battle to die or come home maimed or traumatised.

As a society we are - or should be - past the point where our armies are stocked with anything but well-trained, paid, professional soldiers (and support) who have signed up of their own free will. Should we be very grateful to the people who had to go to war for us in the past? Absolutely we should, but it's NOT something to be celebrated, and not something we should ever be keen to repeat. Banal misty-eyed completely fake nostalgia for a time that never existed. It wasn't all stoicism and valiantly putting up a brave front, a lot of it was 18 year old kids, terrified out of their wits, desperate to just go home, and blown to pieces within a few days of putting their feet on the ground in Europe. Unimaginable horror. The idea is that those who came before us were somehow bigger, braver and better than the kids you see on the street today. The VERY SAD reality is that they were not. Kids have always just been kids.

Farage: We should declare national security emergency

Nigel Farage said of the illegal Channel crossings: “Frankly, I think this is very
dangerous.

“You only have to look at what’s happened in Sweden in cities like Malmo to
see that a large influx of young males coming from an entirely different
culture, and certainly coming from a culture in which women are not even
regarded as second-class citizens, has had frankly disastrous social effects.

“But since the events of Oct 7 and what has happened in Gaza, and increased
radicalisation in the Middle East, this is even more of a problem. You see,
these young men that come, and I’ve actually filmed this, people throwing
their iPhones into the sea, throwing their passports into the sea, doing
everything they can so we can’t track and identify them...

“I think this is a national security issue. Now if you think I’m being over the
top let’s think about our friend Donald Tusk... Very much an EU luvvie, now of
course the prime minister of Poland. He has talked about the wave of, and
I’m using his words not mine, aggressive young males that are coming into
Poland having crossed the Mediterranean and he has said that it’s a matter of
national security for Poland.

“What we ought to be doing here is declaring a national security emergency,
and this is an emergency.”

We are moving into age of sectarian politics that excludes women, says Farage

Nigel Farage said there is a “small but worryingly large growing number of
predominantly young men in this country, adopting radical views - views that are not
just un-British but views that are frankly increasingly anti-British”.

“You might have noticed that Angela Rayner yesterday was campaigning in her
constituency begging, begging a group of Muslim leaders to please vote Labour. You’ll
have noticed not a single woman in the room.

“So we’re moving into an age in our inner cities and towns I’m worried to say of
sectarian politics, with women completely excluded.”

Farage warns about risk of sectarian politics

Asked what he meant by British values, Mr Farage replied: “If you see the
victory celebrations for the local councillors from Burnley to Bradford to
elsewhere, no women. This is a new form... The idea that I’m saying this is
all British Muslims is absolute nonsense.

“I think the most concerned group, the most worried group, about what’s
going on with this new form of sectarianism is British Muslims who are
working, paying their taxes, wanting their kids to do well. It’s them that are
perhaps going to be the worst affected by this if this current unpleasant trend
continues.

“Of course there are social conservatives, but perhaps not quite to the same
degree... When 23 per cent of 18-to-24-year-olds say they support the
concept of jihad, I put it to you that that’s not exactly a British value. It’s
obvious to everyone that since Oct 7 there has been increased radicalisation
in this country. I never thought I’d speak to some friends who’ve got a Jewish
girl at a British university...

“She’s getting real abuse to the point of ‘do I really want to be part of this?’
So I think there are some pretty disturbing trends. I’m very concerned about
sectarian politics. We saw it in Northern Ireland, we’re starting to see it here.”