Originally Posted by Redway (Post 11487084)

And the laughable thing is, Ness, you ain’t even English yourself. You emigrated here from Italy.

Originally Posted by Redway (Post 11487084)

And the laughable thing is, Ness, you ain’t even English yourself. You emigrated here from Italy.

Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 11487087)

many italians also emigrated to the US long time ago

and many famous people came from those backgrounds too

- Dean Martin
- Frank Sinatra
- Robert De Niro
- Francis Ford Coppola

to name some, and many more

Originally Posted by Redway (Post 11487093)

Just like many Chinese people emigrated to the U.K. a long time ago, many black people found themselves in the U.K. not just via slavery but through being seafarers centuries ago, etc. But Vanessa isn’t giving people like that a look in because they aren’t white. She might not mean to be an imparter of internalised racism but that’s what she’s doing. Fact remains she’s a foreigner herself and that’s the beginning and end of it.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 11487107)

As around 80% of British are white, those homicide conviction stats are much, much higher for ethnic minorities compared to white homicides.

Originally Posted by Redway (Post 11487093)

She might not mean to be an imparter of internalised racism but that’s what she’s doing.

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11487120)

Let's face it she probably picked up a lot of it right here on TiBB but the staff simply are not listening one teeny tiny little bit. I honestly can't conclude anything at this point but that they (by which I mean, whoever is actually making the wider decisions, I know moderators hands may be tied) do not care. At all.

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11487120)

Let's face it she probably picked up a lot of it right here on TiBB but the staff simply are not listening one teeny tiny little bit. I honestly can't conclude anything at this point but that they (by which I mean, whoever is actually making the wider decisions, I know moderators hands may be tied) do not care. At all.

Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 11487125)

So we aren't allowed an opinion in here. Got it :hee:

Originally Posted by Redway (Post 11487127)

Oh, you can have your “opinion”. But other people have every right to challenge it. It’s a discussion-board after-all, as you’ve keenly pointed out.

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11487001)

The thing is again though this genuinely happens without any immigration at all, if you live in sleepy/small villages that start to become "gentrified" with city-commuting professionals etc.

You should see the local facebook groups around here. All-out war between "born and bred locals" and people who have moved into the area. And we're not talking immigrants or ghettoisation here - we're talking 4-and-5-bedroom homes with young families and still 99% white British.

Locals "who have been here for generations" do not like it at all.

We thought my wife was experiencing a racism from the elderly dad of a neighbour because she's from England -- but no -- apparently even being Scottish isn't good enough and he branded me an "interloper" as well because I grew up a 1.5 hour drive away :joker:.

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy (Post 11487120)

Let's face it she probably picked up a lot of it right here on TiBB but the staff simply are not listening one teeny tiny little bit. I honestly can't conclude anything at this point but that they (by which I mean, whoever is actually making the wider decisions, I know moderators hands may be tied) do not care. At all.

Originally Posted by Redway (Post 11487093)

Just like many Chinese people emigrated to the U.K. a long time ago, many black people found themselves in the U.K. not just via slavery but through being seafarers centuries ago, etc. But Vanessa isn’t giving people like that a look in because they aren’t white. She might not mean to be an imparter of internalised racism but that’s what she’s doing. Fact remains she’s a foreigner herself and that’s the beginning and end of it.

Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 11487145)

So now you're saying Vanessa is racist?? , one minute she's a " foreigner herself" ( which could be seen as a little rude & baity) , to now she doesn't care about non white people ?.

This is why so many people don't get involved in these types of discussions,as words get twisted and names get called.

Originally Posted by Ninastar (Post 11487140)

The amount of hate I got in Scotland for being from England (and the US) was genuinely mind boggling. I’d have grown men get angry with me for wearing an England shirt. I felt like it was only the Scottish that were hateful, I never received any hate for being Scottish when I was in England

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 11487146)

so far as I can see, Vanessa is talking about endless, unchecked immigration. She has a point, it's not racist to voice it.

Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 11487145)

So now you're saying Vanessa is racist?? , one minute she's a " foreigner herself" ( which could be seen as a little rude & baity) , to now she doesn't care about non white people ?.

This is why so many people don't get involved in these types of discussions,as words get twisted and names get called.

Originally Posted by Redway (Post 11487152)

There’s a difference between being consciously and intentionally racist and subconsciously letting yourself be swayed by the influence of white supremacy, which can be very insidious in how it permeates opinion. It’s not always intentional and it does not make an intentional racist but it happens nonetheless. It’s not always as simple as ‘I’m not racist; I have black friends, I have Asian friends, I even have mixed friends and I mean no harm x’. White supremacy like I say can be very insidious in the way it affects the world.

Originally Posted by LaLaLand (Post 11487161)

Love it.

Main thing for me, being a big “foodie”, is the wide range of cuisine restaurants now here - when I was a kid it was just Indian or Chinese but now we have Turkish, Portuguese, Polish, Italian, Caribbean etc etc.

Originally Posted by Vanessa (Post 11487158)

Exactly. It's a discussion forum. There's no need for nastiness. We're not going to agree on everything in here, that's normal.

Originally Posted by LaLaLand (Post 11487161)

Love it.

Main thing for me, being a big “foodie”, is the wide range
of cuisine restaurants now here - when I was a kid it was
just Indian or Chinese but now we have Turkish,
Portuguese, Polish, Italian, Caribbean etc etc.