All the woke people want to be offended over anything nowadays to be the victim and Hanah is clearly one of them

No, sorry.

The responsibility for becoming offended lies with the listener. A person has agency and chooses to be offended or not. You can not like something or disagree with a thing but being offended is an emotional reaction that an individual can control, just as those with anger issues can do the work to control that.

We won't even talk about the people who actively seek-out offence. They would cross the road to be offended. They relish the social credit that being offended can give them... The power over the other.

I wasn't aware that we had met.

What privilege are you assuming?

I don't agree with Mystic on some levels but I do on others, and other people's comments. I mean who doesn't remember this?



That was much worse, and though Emily meant no offence, and Charley didn't really take offence initially, it blew up.



I appreciate it's a whole different scenario but then Shabnam became more offended over the whole thing rather than Charley.

Justice for Emily

Don't agree with you on that and never will. No apologies. :)

That's fine, your disagreement doesn't offend me and I never demand an apology ;)

Vice versa. That's why I like reading your views on matters. If we all agreed, on one hand it might be simpler, but somehow quite banal.

That's why I brought up the Emily/Charley situation as others have made different analogies.

Emily, in my mind, wasn't intending her comments to be disrespectful, but then inadvertently caused offence by the way they were conveyed to another HM.

Some people use the N word in a certain way, as in alright niga Meaning my friend. I'm not going to edit out my words. Others get offended.

When I have friends round I greet them with "Alright you C U next Tuesday". My friends know me and laugh at it. It's a term of endearment. Meaning I am relaxed with you and I can say that. I'm less wary of doing that with other people I don't know too well.

Some things seem ok for one person to say but not another. Depending on your background and intention. Not sure background is the right word in this instance. It's all subjective.

I'm going off on a different tangent. :)

Emily didn't cause offence, the others slowly chose to take it. Charly didn't even do that until she started to realise that there was social currency in being offended.

Look, personally, if I know a person is unable to control their emotional responses to a thing I tend to avoid exposing them to that thing if I can because I prefer to not be an asshole (most of the time) but I still recognise that only they have the power to control to be offended or not.

If a person cannot control their emotional responses to a thing they should really work on that, as I say. Letting hostile people control who you are as a person so easily isn't great.

Do you agree that therapy can help with anger management issues at least?

You know exactly what I’m talking about.

I honestly do not :joker:

But she did cause offence because without her saying that there wouldn't have been an issue. It was her words that instigated the whole thing. We're obviously not going to agree on that.

And as I said Emily inadvertently caused offence to others. Charley said she was ok with it but couldn't let it go.

Sometimes we can't help our emotional responses. We're all human after all.

In response to your last question I think therapy does help in certain situations. And it's down to certain factors. I'm a great believer in encouraging someone to talk and let their emotions out rather than just bottle them up.

Are people really defending Emily calling Charley the N word ? :joker: :facepalm: ...I just can't. Emily is white , she said she had friends who called her it, and that was her excuse for saying it.

There's also rumours she got paid to say it ,not sure if that's true . As she kept profusely apologising when Dermot interviewed her.

But then saying that , Maxwell a straight guy called Craig the F word as a joke,when they were pranking eachother in BB6 . And Craig didn't care.


They'd only just met,what made her think she had that rapport to call Charley that ? . And actually Charley instantly drew attention to it by saying " you're going to get into trouble for that " , and she kept talking about it. So it clearly offended Charley ,the more she kept thinking about it .

And as I said, she didn't cause anything. Charley wasn't even offended until others told her she should be :joker:

Look, it's good to have emotions, I am not saying be a robot, I am saying that if your emotions control you rather than the other way around then you are in trouble.

Existing in a state of perpetual offense is really unhealthy. It also makes every discussion emotion based which in turn makes it next to impossible to find a middle ground.

Not really, the conversation is a bit more nuanced than that.

As I said, I personally choose to not use it because I know some people do allow it to offend them.

But I can't hate Emily for not thinking that way in that moment... She was just messing around with people she considered friends and it slipped out. Her intent was clearly not to be hateful or malicious and intent does matter to me.

But, still, it was a stupid and inconsiderate thing to say.

But her head was full of having just invented indie music so she probably just wasn't thinking.

So you just said it yourself. Is it ok for a black person to say such a thing but not a white person? There are certain contradictions sometimes over intention. I saw no malice in what Emily said but you've just opened up the boundaries of what is acceptable as defined by the modern world.

I don't think anyone gets to say what is ok or not for another person to say.

I don't use the N word because I am told I am not 'allowed to', I don't say it because I know some people can't control themselves and I don't go out of my way to make others mad because what's the point?

You can say it's contradictions all you like,but that's life. There's women who will call eachother " bitch " as a joke,but the moment a man calls them it then it's seen as sexist , there's gay people who use non PC words to describe themselves and so on .

I didn't say it all made sense,or that I even agreed with the double standards...but I guess their argument would be they've been called all the names under the sun so they're taking a particular word,which had negative
connotations...and they're re claiming it :shrug:.

This is why it gets into a messy arguments , as some people have the mindset of " either all offensive/ swear words are allowed or they're all not allowed ", but it's not
as simple as that.

Obviously context is important as well. Look at the whole situation with Ali , she did a full discussion with her housemates on how certain words are offensive unless the person themselves identify that way . Today is
honestly such a tip toe world, and people are very overly sensitive.


I think Emily possibly would have got just a warning if it was pre BB8 . Emily herself sounded like she couldn't believe what she said , she even repeated it in shock.


I just think it's common sense, why would you say something on national TV that would likely cause offence, especially around race. I honestly think Emily's
comment is worse than Sarah's,as Sarah's was a word
play on a political slogan, she was making a joke...that she knew Nathan would find funny.


BB saw how Hanah ,Segun & Khaled took it personally, therefore he stepped in.

Sarah didn't mean it that way at all. It was probably a bad choice of words, nothing more.

I was asking a question. I personally don't use that term because of it's derogatory connotations, but again, it depends on the context of the way you use it. My point was it's socially acceptable for some, but not others. Oh to live in a world where the colour of your skin didn't matter. It's actually quite crazy when you think about it. Unfortunately it's in certain people's mindsets.

Definitely.

She used it in the context of protecting their 'border' Vs the vampires, and she used it to a group that was half white.

The vampire group were literally gloating at the start.

But, as it's always worth saying, controlling a nation's border against illegal immigration is not racist.

Like I said Emily did not have that rapport with Charley, they'd just met, plus it's how things are perceived whether we like it or not.

I'm not going to start calling white people " cracker" for a laugh, as I know it's offensive.


If Khaled had just met Ali and called her the D word ...I'm pretty sure she'd go ballistic. And as we know Ali already overthinks stuff ,so can you imagine.

I wasn't saying you had contradictions. I was just saying you brought up the whole thing about colour and creed which is a fundamental part of this issue. Although I did to be fair. :)

The house is like a holiday romance... it moves fast and people get close fast.

Yes, Ali would probably go ballistic because she is an utter nightmare and would leverage it to it's fullest.

I mean Charley herself did a public talk after BB saying she doesn't think anyone should use the N word regardless of your colour, and tbh that was always my thinking aswell on the matter. But at the same time we can't police language.

But there's is still ignorance out there ,I've actually been in a situation where someone didn't know what the word meant....and I had to explain it .