No hun. Like I said LT is far much older than I am. As are you. The discussion isn’t about me though, or about you, or even about the member who attempted to make a personal jab. It’s about 16yr olds voting and from this conversation I’d take the opinion of a 16yr old than at least two people involved in this debate.

I get far more sense and even compassion on issues from those in my own family of 16 now and most under 16 too.
I get far more hate filled attitude and extreme thinking from those much older.
I've always said 16 year olds should get the vote.
I support this all the way.

HOWEVER.
I remember my Father telling me of when Harold Wilson of the Labour government between 1966 to 1970.
Where he gave the vote to 18 year olds.
Perhaps in the belief that would help him electorally.
When in the end, the majority of them voted Conservative in 1970 and he lost.

I still though think 16 year olds SHOULD have the vote.
They have in some elections in Scotland and Wales.
The other good thing is, they care about issues that Farage and Reform dismiss and don't give a damn about
So it will be no surprise to me to find Reform backers totally against this policy.

It is a Labour manifesto pledge, It should be done and I totally support it.

It’s always the boomers who swallow everything Fox and GB news throw at them that accuse other generations of being easily influenced

Crazy huh.

Not even 90%. 16-year-olds come in all shapes and forms.

Do you know how ageist and ridiculous you sound? Like everyone older than you is bad and everyone your age and younger is good. And you yourself can't be in the first flush of teenage youth anymore. And every year you get older you'll get more life experience. It's almost like, the longer you live, the more stuff you learn. Well, some of us learn.

They really wouldn’t.

Wait, what?🤨

Have you suddenly forgotten how to read?

Your charm lessons are paying off


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Aren’t you being ageist assuming ALL 16yr olds are stupid like you were at 16?

I don't necessarily think 16 year olds are stupid but I do think they can be emotionally immature and fickle. No criticism but that's part of growing up. Plus they are generally completely dependent at that age. Whatever you think of the intelligence of some adult voters they are generally responsible for their own income, their own finances, their own livelihoods, their own role in society in a way that 16 year olds simply aren't. Lots of 18 year olds aren't either but we have to draw the line somewhere and 18 is generally the age at which someone is considered an adult

ITN surveyed 500
16/17 year olds

33% would vote for Labour
20% would vote for Reform UK
18% would vote for the Greens
12% would vote for LibDems
and
10% would vote for the Conservatives.

I guess we know why people are so against lowering the age looking at these numbers

:joker: so predictable....not good is it to be sooo predictable

Honestly I think its fine, Scotland and Wales already give 16 year olds the vote, think it might bite them on the bum though, and while we are equalising everything can we look at student fees where English students pay 2 times what Welsh students pay and Scottish students pay nada....come on now Keir lets make it all equal across the board

if the new Corbyn party comes into existence that labour vote will be split making 4 parites share the vote pretty much equally

Personally what it's telling me, is that Starmer is lacking confidence in being able to get the majority of adults to vote for Labour.

Tbf, the adults that voted Brexit but now regret it are the main ones that should take responsibility for the decision to Brexit.

After all nobody should be voting for a drastic change on a subject, unless they're 100% confident that it'll work.

Trump has a more youthful personality than Farage.

Trump knows how to appeal to Reality TV junkies for example.:laugh:

Well I'm old then.:laugh:

Agreed.

Trump is a walking meme, Farage is a grumpy old buggar. I can see why younger people would gravitate towards Trump in that respect.