Dumb anology,thats like saying single parents arent equpied either

Correct and serious analogy, the day when you will study the question with scientists and psycologists, call me ! :wink:
There is absolutely no relation between the single parents and the gay parents, don't try to say what I didn't say before please.

i tell you what,leave me your email,and when my kid is in college or doin whatever there thing is,ill get them to drop you a line to see how there doing.Bigot.

There is no need to be like that, why don't you respect my opinion and what I'm saying ? I really can't belive what's happening, people here are always the prime to say "respect us blablabla" but when we don't agree it's the end of the world. Get a life, in 1 year and a half I didn't see some reactions like that.

And possibly more, it's what we learnt, I just give you what we talked about. I won't argue anymore because some members and myself will be banned for sure, I'm more intelligent than that.

I don't need a line from you as I talked to intelligent people and scientists, it's definatly more important. I know what I'm talking about, I wouldn't say that if I wasn't sure.

And I will repeat that one more time, there is nothing to do with homophobia, the questions is not about that. I prefer to repeat it because some people will think it's related.

Hmmm....I don't think anything I wrote was half as offensive as what you wrote.

You seem to think that because you studied something to do with this, then you are far better equipped than anybody else to have an opinion on this subject. Well, how do you know what experience anybody else here might have had on this subject hmmm? And when you're a bit older you can take the blinkers off and realise that just because your teacher says something doesn't mean that they absolutely have to be right.

Oh well, if you read some children's speeches, then obviously you know exactly what will happen to any child adopted by a gay couple.

So reading between the lines then, you didn't actually speak to any children who had been adopted by gay parents? Do you think the quotes you read are representative of ALL children adopted by gay parents? I'm quite sure I could come up with several quotes of children who had wonderful, heterosexual parents, and who ended up very unhappy indeed.

Oh so basically you're saying that you're right, and everybody else is wrong then? Reading a few quotes by a few children, and assuming everything your teacher says is gospel isn't really a full and extensive knowledge of the subject.

I've never complained that you don't respect my opinion. I couldn't care less what you think of my opinion. YOUR stance on this subject makes ME sick:rolleyes:

Oh, and by the way, I studied Psychology, where a large part of what we studied was parenting and the effect on a child. Funnily enough, our conclusions were totally different to yours. Does that make my opinion more valid for you?

To clarify, it doesnt matter what you or I has studied - your teacher told you one thing, my teacher told me another. But it doesn't make either of us more qualified to answer this thread than anybody else here.

Oh, so obviously you think that everyone on here who disagrees with you is thick then, huh? I have no idea if you can realise exactly how patronising you sound.

Whats sad is,my kid (s),no matter how much ill be a great loving normal dad,
or how much im going to try and protect them from it,they will still have to come accross bigots like sunshine,who try and hide there inner bigotry and sickness behind some faux pysedo science.

you know what,im going to raise my children as accepting,loving,genuine kids that will grow into adults that will accept others for all there differences and uniqueness,its sad that people like sunshine wont.
Whos the better parent now


good parents are good parents,bad parents are bad parents,regardless of gender,race,creed,colour or sexuality.

I don't care if it makes you sick or not and I didn't say I had reason, don't make me wrong with that. I didn't say anything offensive, you can have your opinion, we can talk about it if you want but don't start in that way.

For the children's speechs, I read 50 speeches and until the contrary I didn't say a child adopted by heterosexual parents will be happier than a one adopted by gay parents, I don't know where you read that in my posts.

And I don't feel far better because I studied it, I just say what I learnt, is that a crime ? Why opening a thread if we can't talk about our opinions ?
Some people in my class didn't agree with what the teacher and the scientist said but we talked about it in a nice and calm way, we did respect each other, something you don't.

Did I say the contrary ? We each have our opinions and I didn't say I was better than you. You are easily shocked when we don't agree with you.

You sound like your going to some crappy religion led school that churns out zombies.

if what youyr saying is true,if it happened in ANY school here,there would be some **** off court cases going against a school that allows such propoganda

No I don't think that, I'm just fed up with some people's reactions with what people think of, that's incredible to see that here.
And I perfectly know what I'm saying ! :thumbs:

Wooo Scary Rémy, please this is pathetic really. I study in a normal school, the class did chose that topic, we did debate about it, nothing wrong as much as I know.

That's your right, do what you want with your children, I have no doubt about your love for your kid, I'm nobody to doubt about it.
I have nothing to prove you at all, I just express what I learnt, if you aren't able to understand and to respect that so you have nothing to do in a forum really. I really don't understand why you are so rude when somebody doesn't agree with you.

I'm afraid you're right about one thing - I really don't respect your opinion. I try to respect people's opinions and very often have got into debates with people when we disagree on certain subjects, but we still end up respecting each other. Your opinion on this matter however - I have no respect for.

Don't be afraid, accept it, you aren't able to see that somebody has a different opinion, it's not the end of the world.

Well I have to say sorry if I offended anyone, it's not what I was looking for at all even if I can't see why people can be. I didn't expect some reactions like that and I assume what I think, what I said and I take the entire responsability.

You can dislike me for what I said, I really don't mind, I really don't want to argue, there will be no solutions and there is no solutions for that debate. The notion of debate here doesn't exist, it's more a conflict than something else.

I have my own opinion, if we can't express it here so why should we stay, we can disagree but not arguing like that, it's bad.
Then I just wanted to make things clear,I'm not homophobic, I'm not from a vampire school or something like that, there is no link with homophobia at all.

Psylocke btw I wish you and your child all the best in the future

I just dont understand why it might be seen as wrong?

This article is really interesting to read, it shows some stories from parents who have adopted children and are in same sex relationships.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/thi...cle2184265.ece

I struggle with this as it makes me so angry, we are all people at the end of the day, we all need love, care and protection from our parents and how on earth a gay couple can not provide that is beyond me.

I feel that this intolerant society that we live in will eventually mean that children end up remaining in local authority homes rather than in loving homes with same sex parents. Just because their is no female or male in the relationship does not mean that they have no positive influences of those in their lives.

I have to agree on the fact the gay couples haven't a negative influence on their children but you have to recognise that the father's or the mother's role is missing and the child is quite confused on that. With a great psychological help, it would be alright for that kid, but it's natural to be confused about that.

A gay couple has every right to adopt/artifically inseminate a child. I don't buy the, "A child needs a mother and father," argument because there are numerous problems with that, divorce, death, abuse, et cetera that are all possible. Many times, a gay couple are better parents than a straight couple.

How the world works is, the acceptance of change. Change is part of life and gay people at one time had to hide their same-sex preferance and keep it in the closet. Bit by bit, things are improving for gay people and now there are soooooooo many opportunities which were unavailable many years ago. Gay marriages being one of them. Even the Church has had to recognize that to. I don't like the view that parents have to be male and female only. The fact that gay couples wish to adopt a child isn't as bad as it sounds. We can debate about the bad side, but we can also debate about children in orphanges too. A child in a gay household where they can be loved and cared for by two decent parents must certainly outweigh being stuck in an orphanage? Of course, I only use that as one example.

About the confusion issue which you highlight Sunshine. When a child is brought up by two gay males or females - they know no difference! It is just life [as they come to know it] It just has to be accepted, that's all. To discriminate against it is naturally your luxury, as you can do. But many gay people will disagree with you. I am quite straight myself and have a lovely girl who I live with and we hope to have a child in a year or two. But I do know a gay couple who also love children and would love the opportunity to have a child and I wouldn't have a problem with them getting their wish.

What the law decides - the law decides

In Spain you can have Sex at 13 years old, straight or gay. In the United Kingdom that would be called 'paedophilia' and France is 15 years old - but you'll know that!

Ok so imagine your daughter with no father but 2 mothers, don't you think there will be a change in her mind ? I don't know how old is she but first of all, when you are a child, the girl is attracted by the father it's "Oedipe" and at school, she won't understand and she would be surely bullied (I didn't say all of them but we all know kids in general are cruel towards the differences)
I'm not saying a gay couple isn't able to love a child, of course they will and fortunatly.
And I agree, what the law decided, the law decided and so far it makes a great job because our societies aren't ready for that.

And it's not true, you must have 16 and 3 months in order to have sex in France but I don't mind lol. But would you give me the point of telling me the different ages please.

As a 22 year old gay American who is in a committed relationship and we are about to get married - even though it is not legal...allow me to say...yes everyone should be allowed to adopt.

Heres the thing...growing up...I was bullied; I was called names, had stuff thrown at me, it got so bad in 7th grade that during my final exam in science I got the worst nose bleed from the bullying that year. But you know what? You grow up and you move on and you realize that those that bullied are sad people and were just trying to be cool and in on the good crowd. I stand here today a better person and a more well rounded person than they probably are. I am about to graduate from univeristy with a nursing degree and then I am off to medical school to obtain my medical doctorate.

I am in a loving relationship and I surround myself with loving, kind, energetic people. If as a parent you can surround your children with love, kindess, happiness, laughter, and people who will care for them always then it doesn't matter if it is two men, two women, a man and a woman because that child will always have protection and love.

So basically here is the thing; it is every human beings right to foster and love a child if they want. Why shouldn't they be granted that right? You can't say it won't be a normal life because who are you to say what is and what is not normal? Who is anyone for that matter to deny someone the right to love a child? If a potential parent wants to go through the EXTREMELY LENGTHY process of adoption then they must have more love in their heart than most people on any given day. And they should be allowed to adopt a child.

Everyone faces adversities in their life and I don't think getting picked on in school by immature children is too much of a nuisance that you can not grown from it, learn from it, and become a better human being.

And for the psychological debate, allow me to say - children do not realize a difference growing up if they start from birth with two males/two females. It can not change their sexuality or turn them gay, a person's psyche is extremely strong and your sexuality is predetermined.

The law does not always make the best decisions as each decision is completely different. Look at America...George W Bush has been one of our worst presidents and he truly does not care about the interest of every American - only those that can affect who he is and his position. Law is not always correct...And law should not always determine what is and what is not accepted.