and I don't agree with the statement that McCain is more likely to start a world war
Its the countries which pose a threat to America and the world which are likely to start a war.
The difference is that in McCain we will have someone decisive and fight back for his country before the damage is done whereas Obama will be still searching for his back bone to make a decision.

Im not even arguing with you any more! your arguments are hollow

As I said, this election is going to be swung by soccer moms and African Americans and how likely they are to actually vote (and vote for Barack Obama.) Otherwise, McCain'll win it. I think Barack Obama's in a position now to win this election, he just needs to keep up the good appearances.

Words can't describe how much I despise Sarah Palin, she's been brought forward by John McCain in a desperate bid to win Clinton voters over. She's a self righteous preacher who has virtually nothing to add to McCain's campaign, she's just being used and she's letting herself be used. It's ridiculous. She will never be Hilary Clinton, no matter how hard McCain might paint it that way.

Hi Z.

I think a lot of what you say is right. The Republicans brought in Palin to pick up the voters that they thought Hillary would get if Obama had picked her. However, although she has the far right excited, she has not gained them as many votes as they had hoped, and it is now being widely acknowledged that Palin is a big liability for the McCain camp. Her popularity has dropped massively since the announcement that she was McCain's running mate. Personally I think this is because nobody really knew who she was beforehand (even McCain had only met her once)!, and they liked this tough talking, nice looking woman.

That was fine while she was spouting out the speeches which had been written for her, and looking pretty. However, now people are starting to hear what she herself thinks, and people are turning away from her. McCain is too centralist for a lot of the far right, which is part of the reason Palin was brought in. This is not a big problem for Obama, as the far right would not have voted for him anyway.

What people don't realise is that in the States where Bush won easily in 2004 (mostly the Southern States), McCain is perhaps leading by just a couple of points. The far right love Bush, but they are not keen on McCain.

The polls still show Obama as in the lead, and the betting companies (which are generally more reliable than the polls) also have Obama as the likely winner (how I hope they are right)!

I really cannot stand Palin. I can't stand McCain either, but while I think he is a nasty man who is not fit to run a country, I think she is evil. If I was McCain, I would be watching my back, because I think she would be very likely to stab him in it, if it would further her own career!

As much as I detest Palin - McCain picking her has done good things for the Democrats!

I'm torn really, I don't think either of them are good candidates if I'm honest. McCain obviously has some...extreme beliefs and I'm generally not a Republican anyway, and have always favoured the Democrats; but Obama, IMO, won't be a strong enough President. He talks big, but I'm unconvinced that he has the ability to back that up with action.

Clinton woz robbed. :sad:

I couldn't agree with you more Ruth - I think McCain's done himself more harm than good by choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate. She's not good enough. All of the scandal about her daughter being pregnant, in contrast with her views on pregnancy, and then her generally extreme views on many issues... She's a head case, I'm sure that she was chosen because she was female and pretty. Hilary might have been a sell out sometimes, but at least she could think for herself, and she had her own opinions. Sarah Palin's opinions seem scripted, like everything else in the McCain campaign - nothing seems heartfelt, I suppose is what I'm saying.

You really don't understand what evil is, do you?
Just because someone might have different morals to you or Obama, thats doesn't make them evil!
Prove that she would stab McCain in the back or that she is evil. You can't because its an opinion like my opinion that Obama wont deliver on the little he has promised. It works both ways

:thumbs: spot on:kiss:

Ahem. I didn't say she would stab him in the back. I said I thought that she was likely to. Unlike you, who said that Obama definitely lied.

I made a definite point of saying that it was my opinion only. In all of your posts, you stated that this would definitely happen and that would definitely happen. BIG difference. I can explain it to you if you like.

Yes, Palin has different morals to me. I don't believe in making rape victims pay for the testing kits. I don't believe I should try and get someone fired from their job because of a personal disagreement with them. That's just two things for starters. I could go on, but I have already listed all my reasons in my previous posts, so there's really no point in me repeating myself, as you are clearly not taking any notice of what I am saying anyway.

NOTE - I said "I think" she is evil. Not "she is definitely evil."

NOTE - I said, "I think she would be likely to stab him (in the back". Not "she will definitely stab him in the back."

I understand exactly what evil means. I'm not sure you do though.

Anyway sweetheart, life's too short to keep banging my head against a brick wall, so....I'm outta here.

You must have done it for long enough to knock sense out of you and to be supporting Obama who I think is a killer alien who landed on earth 10,000 years ago. And remember I said "I think" so I don't have to proove my statement because its my opinion :spin:

Yep....Obama's up in the polls - even Fox News! That makes me happy!! Palin's popularity has gone down massively! That makes me happy!! Even in the states that Bush - BUSH! - won safely, and which are strong Republican states, McCain is only up by a couple of points - the extreme right don't like him, because he is too centralist for them. That makes me happy!!

See - at least I research what I'm talking about.

I think if Obama had hilary as his number 2 they would have a much greater chance, he should have gona for that! (hmmm someone who morally thinks it ok to tell jokes about rape victims and muslims dying of cancer! "different" or scary?)

I couldn't give two hoots who wins, it's a foreign country. I don't see many in the states following our elections or the elections of any other foreign country.

I don't care what the media says, it has little effect on my life.

What happens in the US has a massive bearing on UK citizens.

The thing is it does have an impact on the UK. Our leaders have always been great followers of the US and their economy links into ours in a BIG way. I personally would like to see a US president who would be a strong leader without feeling the need to go to war with any country that dared to disagree with them.

Our economy greatly mirror's Amercia's. You only have to look at the stockmarket for an example of that. The Fste closely follows what the Dow Jones does and this in itself impacts on country

I know this and it sickens me tbh.

why can't gordon brown fix things so we remain unaffected?

we are part of europe, not america.

The leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world affects all of us

Nobody can fix it so that we remain unaffected.

I cant believe you guys have been debating with a lunatic this whole time. Hve you not read his/her posts enough to know that its one of those..............
Anyways, back on earth, Barrack Obama will win, it certainly isnt a done deal, but it is a high probability.
I lived in Arizona for 13 years, so I know ohn Mcain's views in and out, and thank our lucky star he is not going to be president. There is no way a republican is gonna win this year after 8 years of Dawya!
ANd thank god for the United States of America, where everyone actually has a chance to be the commander in chief, regardless of race!

Two close friends of mine live in Rhode Island (which is where hubby and I are going for the election). They tell me much the same - that the election is Obama's unless something drastic happens. They are having an election party on the 4th November - let's hope we will have something to celebrate!

We'll have to agree to disagree. I don't think it does. Unless your in the housing market or run a bank.

The media exaggerates it all.

Any effect it does have is the fault of stupid people in this country investing in a country that's had a failing economy for years, just because they've seen it in the films.

I don't own my house and I don't run a bank and I don't invest in foreign countries with a currency weaker than my own. Therefore, it won't effect me. I'll happily eat my words if it does, but it won't.

The only elections I care about are this country's, and possibly the ones of countrys in the EU. Just like american people only care about their election.

It certainly does affect the UK. A recession in the US will lead to a fall in UK exports to the US. A fall in Exports could cause a fall in AD Therefore, it could contribute to a recession in the UK.

Also a recession in the US is likely to adversely effect consumer confidence in countries, such as the UK.
The UK is likely to have an appreciation in the exchange rate against the dollar, this is because interest rates in US are likely to be lower. Therefore, there will be more hot money flows into the UK. A stronger £ will make UK exports less competitive

I hope Obama wins the Election. I actually feel McCain would be more likely to go to war, with reassurance from Sarah Palin - I really don't like her stand on things, when she says she would go to war with Russia etc.

the world will look down(even more) on america if OBAMA does not become president as he is a better person for the job and mcain isn't end of.