it's like they couldn't be bothered working it out all the angles of the problem and would rather out do themselves in shows of moral repugnance. They're aren't motivated by the need to solve this in a social sense but rather need to to SHOW how much they ARE NOT like these two kids. It's funny because in out doing themselves they become more like those that they revile. It's all for show... they are saying " I want to be seen as this type of person who is sooo morally upright ... hmmm how do I do that... I know.. 'I want those kids burned alive' ".

Yeah it would be horrific. But the judges deal with that every day only to have people on the sides lines who couldn't be bothered sitting through the months of evidence just scream "Our system is all about the human rights of those that do the crime". This line wouldn't make sense to anyone except a crazed lynch mob full of self righteous grandstanders with a blood lust.

His mentality is not the same as serial killers thats the worst thing i've ever heard on here :joker:

don't you think your defending them a bit to much now

if it was me i'd lock them up for good so they could never repeat what they did again

Why the **** were those scumbags released?

yeah!!!.... what do you think should be done to them?

Oh the Irony!

your dealing with 10 year olds here at the end of the day! 10 year olds!! 10 year old CHILDREN who have been tortured and beaten themselves! Are you people not grasping this simple fact!? And yes to want to torture and murder them yourselves makes you as bad!

I support proper justice, not killing children... Its because I care for the lives of children I dont and cant find excuses for murder.. It should not happen, and the only sure way to stop people who murder from murdering again IS to properly stop them.
Oh, and I'm not the only one either, the powers that be know full well if WE were given a vote on this the DEATH penalty WOULD be brought back and soon.

These monsters ceased to become 'children' the moment they PLANED!!!! (lets never forget that)
these monsters actually went out that day to kill someones child, James Bulger was the SECOND child that morning they led away, the first escaped when the child started crying.

Thats why the first inept waste of space attempt at justice, a judge ordered they spend just 8 years!!! (8 years is that all an innocent childs life is worth now) locked away was CORRECTLY thrown out, and they were made to stand trial as adults accused of murder.

I cant believe any mother who wouldnt want justice done the only way possible for these two beasts, and that is to kill them... at the very least it stops them killing again.
Maybe people like this first judge orta stick down thier name to volanteer breaking the news to a future mother who's innocent child is snatched, tortured and killed by these pair, when it happens again.

Because it will happen again, especially when our courts give murderers a slap on the wrist and ask them not to do it again... instead of finding excuses for them and there crimes how about for once actually think of the family of those lives they take and ruin, James Bulger's mother WAS in support of the death penalty, sadly her oppinion counted for nothing.. we knew best so we further insulted James and his memory by letting these monsters go free to live a full life, which is what they enjoy now, ALL of which is at our (taxpayers) cost, is that anywhere near justice?

I suppose only a mother could and would know what best suites justice in hideous crimes like these, because it sure as hell is not what an old male judge considers just and fair, thats for sure.

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But Angie, I'm a mother, and I have a different viewpoint.

I don't like that they are free. I don't think they should be free, but I still can't support killing children, no matter their crime.

I know how horrendous their crime was. I was an adult at the time, so I remember it very well. However, I just can't agree with you on this one at all. I feel very strongly against the death penalty and it's not on religious grounds, it's based on the fact that I view "taking a life" as wrong, no matter what the reason.

We, the public don't have that right (in my view) to decide the fate of these boys.

On a personal level, if someone harmed my child, I would harm them, and I'd pay the consequences for it. But that would be a personal offence to me and my family, so I'd take retribution.

I know my post is a complete contradiction, but I think it's dangerous to be allowed to make a judgement call on a crime which didn't personally affect you or yours.

Thats a very honest and balanced argument Freyja, I appreciate that espeicially your honesty, and ironicly I would'nt take retribution on anyone harming my family I'd leave it to the proper authorities, maybe thats why we may disagree.

I suppose I'd be happier if a life sentance meant just that, anything so these 2 killers are NEVER allowed to kill again... or be the victims of an equally sadistic and misguided vigilante group hell bent on meting out a punishment similar to their sick act.

Also arent the 21 now?

I think they are both 26 now

Yeah, they'll be around 25 or 26..

I'd like proper life sentences imposed on certain offenders.

The powers that be used to say it wasn't fair to keep Myra Hindley locked up indefinitely when others got out within 8 or 10 years, but I view it the other way around. I think it's ridiculous to let them out in a short time and I wish more offenders were kept indefinitely.

But, it's always going to come down to money in the end, and prison over-crowding. I'd much rather my tax money went on protecting society from murderers and paedophiles than building fancy parliament buildings for bad decisions to be made in.

I think people overlook the potential for reform, here. There is no excusing what they did, but they were children themselves at the time. It was cold, calculated murder, yes - but did they really understand what it was they were doing? Children have impulses to hurt other people (ever had a temper tantrum before?) but in this case, these two children picked on a toddler. I'd just like to clarify that I'm not defending them, before I continue.

They spent enough years in prison to miss out on their teenage years, to be away from the influences of society that can often turn an "innocent" person into somebody quite corrupt and potentially harmful. With these two boys, it's the reverse effect, they've been removed from society and clearly had reformed enough to be deemed fit to live in society again. Nobody but those who were involved in the case can truly say whether they'd reformed or if it was an act, but I would imagine those two guys must live in fear of retribution from a member of the public, and will be keeping a low profile for the rest of their lives.

So have they come out under new names or somthing as id think that if they like come back into society there would be people who like damaged their house n that.


Bet the mother of the 2 boys had a really hard time now i think about it..

They weren't related Ben. They were friends. And they do have new identities now. So do some of their families, because of it.

agree but that argument contradicts what alot of people here think and that is that these kids are "the devil" lol ... seriously. They think the evil they did came from within them and wasn't a product of their upbringing , eviroment etc. It's alot easier to just say " they are evil! .. kill them!, they can't be reformed!" rather than to delve into what social condition these act are a product of. Honestly this thread sounds like a mob of which burners from the 1600's. Lol and then they try cheap shots like " you all don't understand it like I do because I'm a mother ...." OMG!

lol... why stop at 14? I've noticed a correlation between the scale of the over use of emoticons by a user and the complete OWNAGE they've suffered.
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oh wait ... or do you plane to torture them with cute lil'emoticons? :tongue:

Yes, these animals DID know what they were doing and they did know right from wrong.
Do you honestly think they would have gone to trial 8 months after arrest without being evaluated by child phycologists to ascertain there state of mind?

To suggest the parralell with a childs 'temper tantrum' is laughable at best and quite insulting at worst.
These two quaint little lambs woke up that day met up and decided to KILL a child (thats there admission, not my oppinion) they failed in there first attempt that morning but later succeeded with James Bulger.
They did not lead him away and quickly stab the boy, they walked a 2 year old at least 2 miles away before torturing the scared lad and then strangling him to death.
They had the best part of 5-6 hours to let him go but they chose not to, these wernt your average naughty boys if so the first Judge (the right honourable thick tw*t) who thought 8 years in a youth offenders institute (or Pontins as its also known as by your above average naughty boy) would have been sufficient.
However on appeal it was again proven to this excuse for a judge that these two were an exceptional case based on the crime they had committed in full knowledge of exactly what they were doing and therefore a more substantial (still woefully short of proper justice) sentance was handed down to them.

These two callous killers had the help and understanding of every expert and agency watching out for them over ALL the time they were arrested till trial they were treated more than fairly here, the victim was afforde NO dignity at all by these two in return.
You wont reform people as sadistic as this NO matter how much you try, we have had over 50 years of trying, reforming, youth camps with brand new sports equipment, adventure holidays, and 3 good wholesome meals a day yet the net result of all this pampering to the accused is they get more viscious more sadistic with each victim they kill.

When will the balance swing in favour of the innocent victim just once would be nice, save all this wasted money on 1, a rope 2, a hangman, and if that sounds way to wicked then how about a life sentance meaning life in prison, not just for a few Christmas's.
Has the justice system got so lame now, all one has to do is ask for proper consideration for a victim of crime to be labelled some sort of freak?
Maybe when these two kill again things might change, but in many other similar cases where that has happened already, I doubt it.
And then people wonder why so many join vigilante groups, thats what happens when justice is not seen to be done.

"You wont reform people as sadistic as this NO matter how much you try, we have had over 50 years of trying, reforming, youth camps with brand new sports equipment, adventure holidays, and 3 good wholesome meals a day yet the net result of all this pampering to the accused is they get more viscious more sadistic with each victim they kill."

This is completely unfounded. We are talking about 10 year old children here not hardened psychopaths. They were taken from their environment that YES did turn them into animals, and deemed to have been rehabilitated by experts. We are not experts in this area though some claim to be! Their behaviour was sickening and abhorrent but they are not the spawn of the devil they were extremely damaged young CHILDREN who had been abused themselves. These are not excuses it is just a sad fact and hanging children is as abhorrent as what they did!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...se-706972.html

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/new...to_kill_again/

Just 2 of the many cases found on a simple google search for "killers who kill again after serving a life sentance"

So its not so "unfounded" and proves at least (there are hundreds more) 2 innocent people would still be alive today had these wonderfully reformed young men served (at leat) the sentance they were given at trial.
How many more times must the "prison reforms people" argument fail before we start giving a thought to the REAL victims of crime?

Yet increbibly, it is the deluded libral thinking who are most genuinely shocked when equally deluded groups of vigilantes go out to seek justice of there own.
Whats so wrong with prison being a punishment and a place where one spends 50 years (minimum) for a crime such as murder?
In the above cases the 2 people not getting killed by "lifers" are going to be happier, and on the other hand your going to feel easier knowing that the feformation of these poor mistaken charectors is going to take 35 years longer to achieve better results, what harm could that do?

Oh, and to say the hanging of the James Bulger killers is "as abhorent as what they did" is no fact.
Hanging perpertrators of muder would be a punishment for a crime worthy of such severity.
On the other hand torturing a 2 year old and slowly strangling what little life he had left at the time all because he strayed away from his mother whilst she was being served in a shop is a punishment only the "spawn of the devil" who contemplate, if not i dread to think what is.

These are not children. 10 year old minds are not fully formed enough to be pathological. If someone is deemed to be a psychopath and incapable of redemption they should stay in prison I agree there. These boys didnt fall in to that category.

Liberal thinking is not deluded it is based on careful and rational thought on all the facts! the other extreme is based on nothing more than hate and retribution

I totally agree.

Angie, can I ask you a personal question? How would you feel if on e of them was your child and people like yourself were as good as saying he should be killed for a crime he committed when he was a boy?