Actually the first week didn't rate well. It averaged just 3.7m for the first week. The lowest first week average in many years.

Why are you being so defensive of the poor ratings? Traditionally in the last few years, the 1st highlights show has been one of the most watched highlights show of the entire series.

It's all down hill from here on unfortunately, unless there's a huge twist or event. The lack of live feed has caused a bigger decline than it would naturally see had lf been there.

That is a good point I hadn't thought about.

Yes you are completely right!! And none watchers might be bored at home, flick on any channel, see someone on BB they find interesting, and then consequently want to watch the HL show!

REDMOND....love your sig but if i could just say one little thing that I think would make it better is that you should put the pics of each of the 2 housemates below the eye of their series, eg put nick and craig over at the far left under their series eye and the two siloettes under the BB10 eye:banana::banana::colour::colour::spin:

Simple, because he thought it would be different, and that the Lack of live fee wont affect the show that much. BUt he now realises that it does, and most people who where complaining were right and will be proven even more right as time oges on!!

You're twisting facts to make them fit your argument. 0.8m less watched last year, the 2.7 doesn't include +1. I did say that the live feed will has an effect but not a considerable one- and its clear there that there has been some effect but roughly what I expected- 0.3m at the very most and I've said that time and time again. First highlights on Channel 4 alone last year seen a 33% drop, yesterday had a 44% drop so thats a further 11% which is roughly my prediction. The whole of the drop (which is what a lot of people are implying) is not due to the live feed. Plus you can't blame the whole 11% on the live feed anyway- some people might have been out, others not interested in the show, others forgot etc.

None of the numbers include the +1 ratings. The 3.8 million from last years first HL shows, doesnt include the +1 ratings either. Thats a none argument!

It was still higher than the series average for BB9 and take out the failed show in the middle of the week and it is exactly the same as the start of BB9.

I'm not being as defensive as you think, I'm just refuting what people keep saying that the decline is purely to do with the live feed which it is not.

Power with statistics ;)

Ha, thanks. Maybe I'll have a play around with it. :tongue:

I think you'll find thats false. Just did a quick search.

http://archive.insidebigbrother.net/bb9/news/big-brother-drops-below-4m.ibb

Well of course it was going to be higher than the series average for BB9. The BB9 series average was the lowest at the time, and usually the first weeks are higher than the series average of the previous summer series.

Also, it was launched in January when more people are watchign TV.

I don't think anyone said it's "only" down to live feed. But LF is definitely one of the major factor.

You keep changing your stance. Before the series you said 0.3m down would be OK. But now you're saying 1.1m down or whatever it is is fine.

It's the kind of desperation I would expect of a C4 staff member.

links broken tom...

URG. They've banned insidebigbrother. Put that instead of removed

ok, im not criticising it, you just have the best sig on here and i think that that will be the cherry on top for me:dance:lol...thanks

Big Brother UK will certainly never return for series 11 unless C4 admit their mistake and take radical action fast. Leave it much longer and the viewers lost because of no live feed will never return again.

Apparently they are seriously considering BB All Stars for BB11. Do you think that would work?

By the way - you may remember pre-series I was defensive of Channel 4's decision to axe LF, but I've chnaged my mind. Terrible decision.

So Channel 4 will just break a contract and have to pay out when they could air what is essentially a free show and get some money for it? OK then ...

Nah, they'll do the All Stars series, they think it is "the only viable option for BB11".

That will be how they go out.

It's not actually breaking a contract.

They can try re-negotiate the contract and there's probably a get-out clause if the show doesn't hit certain numbers.

But the key one is Endemol. If they don't budge then Channel 4 will either have to show it or pay out. Plus BB11 has already been confirmed.

You're wrong.

BB11 hasn't been 100% confirmed. It's written in the contract that they do BB11, but of course changes can happen like most contracts.

I hear from a very good source that Channel 4 had to extend this series by a week to compensate for the lack of live feed and Big Mouth, otherwise Endemol would not have allowed it.

So certain adaptations can occur.

I think an all stars would be interesting. But it would also be a ratings failure because C4 have alienated the core audience now. It's such a shame, it was a great show for a long time. On the bright side, there's a big old world full of other stuff out there :thumbs:

It's not as simple as that. Endemol themselves are so concerned about the potential damage to the franchise that they may well end the contract by mutual agreement with C4.

I miss live feed. Bring it back NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!:elephant:

Angela Jain and Davina have both confirmed it. And if Endemol break the contract, they already have the money to pay back and would only have to give back so much of what C4 paid in correspondence to the series they haven't produced.

What, so they can pitch it to another broadcaster who probably won't take it, then essentially they're losing out? And if Sky do take it (as so many keep saying, its dead in the water just face it) it will go sub 1m and even Endemol would prefer it on Channel 4 even if the final peaks at 3m. Endemol probably know the show has no chance in the near future of being picked up by anyone, so they might as well have it milked for all its worth.