Thats totally different to steroptyping all camp people as gay...or saying you would question a 'manly man' who said he was gay.

But its still questionning the way someone is. The same principle applies to it.

and for the millionth time I'm not stereotyping all camp people as gay.

No way! :elephant:

Its not at all.

I thought stacey was 'exagerrating' her personality...or being fake whichever you prefer. Because I had seen her doing interviews and even sometimes,rarely on the xtra factor being a lot less 'ditzy' than she was on the main show...

You think Joe is gay because of the ridiculous stereotyping that goes on about gay people.

Like someone said earlier On stereotyping is there for a reason...

And that reason is?

It is, because you're questionning the way someone is and not believing they are genuinely like that. You did the same with Sophie in BB, because everyone acts the same all day every day don't they?

Well some Gays play up to the camp Stereotype some don't. But it's possible to be 'delicate' and not Gay.

In this context, 99.9% of the time overly camp people will be gay. There are obviously exceptions to it, but they are probably few and far between. I really doubt Joe is one of the exceptions.

people who said they know people who know joe have said he is openly bi.

That is not saying they are lying plainly because of stereotyping. If you cant see the difference...then thats up to you.

I dont remember saying that about sophie, but Il believe you anyway, but its still a different thing me saying I think someone is being 'fake' to you saying joe cant be straight because he acts camp.

Joe is not overly camp???

You're basically branding people as a liar because you don't believe they're acting that way, in the same way people who refute someones sexuality are calling them a liar.

So being gay changes your personality then I take it...I thought it was just a sexual preference...obviously not...

Well if we are going by BB, it was fairly obvious that David was Gay. Charlie though was harder to tell at first.

Nah nice try at twisting it though.

Stereotyping is different to personal opinion...however you spin it.

No from the first 3 seconds of his VT it was Very very Obvious

Sod all this if your overly camp your gay business, when was Joe actually overly camp Tom?

He is 100% gay, nothing wrong with it he should just admit it, is image wont be affected at all is he comes out, people will still love him. Its not an issue anymore

Well say if you missed that, the way he acted in the house and stuff was not overly camp, not for the most part.

bigloverlover :nono: But yes it wouldnt affect anything if he was.

people would still like him if he said he was gay as most people think he is anyway.

Well nobody can really say 100% at this point.

Right Olly was camp at times, hes gay too guys.

Twilights signature is apparently a prime example...because of how he acted when he found out he won...

Considering that a lot of people in today's society are homophobic, I think it is an issue.

As for Charlie, if he hadn't had said what he did in his audition VT, I wouldn't have known he was gay. I was relieved at the time because all the hot women had gone in and there were no good looking guys to pair them up. Then Charlie turned up, looked promising, and then he said he was gay. :joker:

Olly was camp? now we really are being silly.

aww i don't mind if Joe's gay at all! =)
but hey, if he's straight, then the Rachel rumors might be true, hehe, i still absolutely adore their friendship though! My second favorite TV friendship after Kat and Rachel (bb9) <3

pmsl, olly and camp in the same sentance?

Yes. If you're gay you have a different brain structure to straight people. A gay male brain is similar to a female straight brain, and a gay female brain is similar to a straight male brain. That means it has an effect on emotion, movements, thought processes, the way you speak etc and not just who you choose to sleep with.

Lloyd looks fit in your display picture Jack =)
Fingers crossed he's straight,
hehe <3

Only a few times, and there is a picture of him pmsl which really looks camp.
I know he isnt gay really PJ, but if you can call Joe gay for being camp, theres plenty more people you could point the fingers at.

Lmfao, who cares if Joes gay or not? :joker:
i dont know why this makes such a difference to some people.
i dont think he is gay now, before,, i wasnt so sure. :/
but he is a good singeerr, also he seems like a nice person :)

stacey is a lesbian.

You know what I was originally just saying he was gay and was sure about it. But after reading everyone getting so worked up about it... I dont even care anymore. All I care about is that he is happy... and its clear relationships aren't important right now.

If he is... he will come out when he wants too, Will Young was forced to be straight for a while by Pop Idol. Straight people sell more records because of young girls fancying them.

See this could make me happier than if she was straight :hugesmile:

JkJk :laugh:

Pretty much shows the shallowness of these kind of shows aye.

It really does, but oh well thats the world we live in. Let him get secure in the business and then he will come out... just like Will Young did. That is... if he actually is gay, he might just be a feminate guy. Look at Michael Mcintyre...

Fixed :)

This is so obviously a lie.