Indeed they do, what is your point?

Now this is where you piss me off, everyone including muslims hates extremist idiots like Islam4UK but when you try and say that muslims generally and Islam promotes hate and violence, your just way way off the mark

You know it's funny right, all the moderate Muslims are forever telling us that they do not reperesent Islam and Islam is about peace blah blah blah. But you never see them saying to those people 'Look brothers, this is wrong, this is not Islam' Funny that eh

Yeh they do it just doesnt get in the media or in the Daily Mail etc...they want hate and anger and outrage in their papers, it sells and fuels the moral panics of the day

The thing is they don't, they were cheering in the streets after 9/11.

There you go again. Were they all cheering? No. But the lunatics who can bang the drums the loudest are the ones you hear.

There I go again saying they were all cheering when actually I didn't say all. I said they, which does not imply all it implies some. Stop making something out of nothing.

Sure you didin't say 'all' but you were saying 'they were cheering on the streets after 9/11' in response to Netto saying that Muslims actually do speak about against extremists. So no, I'm really not making something out of nothing.

Netto does not really have much proof of that, just her in her little Multicultural bubble, and I know that everytime you hear about these thing they always divert to 'This is not the real Islam' 'These people are not Muslims', they should go out and tell the people who do, they should make more of an effort to get to the youth.

Riiight...Im in a bubble...who knows the most muslims? Who bothers to try and get and understand ordinary muslim opinion? pleeease...so you admit you think "they" all think the same way

You don't need proof to say that not all Muslims support extremists. Just a pinch of common sense.

exactly

How do you know you know more than me? And yes you are in your own little bubble, with Wildcat, that likes to scream Racism

They but they don't do much about it either, that is what I was saying.

http://www.reconciliationtalk.com/20...ett-plans.html

http://www.islamfortoday.com/fundamnetalism.htm

http://www.racematters.org/speakagai...micintoler.htm

http://www.hmforces.co.uk/news/artic...-army-families

Maybe the non extreme Muslims should come out against this parade. Too often they complain about being misrepresented by the extremists. Now is the time for decent Muslims to stand against such a vile act. Sometimes silence says an awful lot more.

You give me all these links yet nothing ever changes, they always say that kind of stuff.

What they going to do go round to the extremists houses and kill them? You said they dont speak out against them they do!

Not in public though, why don't they get big ralleys againt it like that did for some silly drawings?

They prefer to tell us how many are not doing and how many are actually moderate, like that matters? The ones who are doing are doing a hell of a lot of damage.

Netto's spot on with the Newspapers points, I remember lessons on Moral Panic quite well. They make Muslims the enemy and then the sheep will buy newpspaer after newspaper to find out the 'latest'. They did it with Swine Flu, Bird Flu, Recession ETC (not the best examples but some recent ones).

Yes they do create moral panics, but it does not change what actually has happened.

But it's obviously enough to antagonise a whole faith judging on your reaction and others to the non extremist muslims that aren't involved in radical groups.

You know what I said on it so not much point going over it. But people seem to think i'm against but Islam, i'm against all of the monotheistic religions, Islam just happens to be particularly cruel.

I think all of them are pretty cruel it's just whereas Christianity evolved [and in doing looked stupid, at least to me, because apparently certain laws in 'gods word' have expiration dates] Islam seems to be stuck in the dodo ages.

Those guys really need to sort out their PR.

I doubt they ever will, Islamic Science is also quite laughable as well. It annoys me when Muslims don't admit Islam is a branch of Christianity and Judaism

Aye I have seen videos by Muslims on YouTube trying to point out how things like modern technology were all predicted in the Qur'an. Even Bible Bashers at their nuttiest don't point to Deuteronomy as predicting GPS systems.

Also I got told if there is a contradiction in the quran, the newer passage trumps the old, which is a bit odd. Mind you, those are the ones who admit there are contradictions

Spot on.

Not loud enough! If they really mean it - they would shout louder!

Good point. None of them really mean it. All Muslims, in private, support Jihad :rolleyes:.

I think most Brits would probably say that they don't see any sign of 'most' Muslims standing up against the people they claim are 'tarnishing' their characters. If they are really against extremism and say that is not respresentative of what most Muslims believe- they need to be more vocal about that - it's hardly as if it has nothing to do with them is it?

Sure they could be more vocal about it but the idea that they don't really mean it just because they don't speak up enough to your standards is, quiet frankly, laughable.

People are not mind readers! If they don't speak up - people will think it is because they support them! Their problem!

Only if you assume the worst in people. Your problem.

No. If they don't speak up - then they can't complain if people are distrustful of them! If they are falsely accused - it is their problem!

Depends on the person. They need not fear me being distrustful of them, for one. I don't assume every Muslim is a fucking extremist just because they have not spoke up about extremism. Not that paranoid, I'm afriad.

Bully for you! They can't whinge then can they!

No, no they can't :rolleyes:.

Thank god I'm so tolerant, I guess.

This made me LOL - Must be the best offer he has ever had.

Dear Anjem,

We have for some time been monitoring statements by your good self re: our troops in Afghanistan etc. Your latest statement about plans to march on a little Wooton Bassett, where our war dead are honoured, is possibly your most heinous idea yet. You mention how hundreds of thousands of innocent Afghani muslims are being 'murdered' by our troops, yet never mention just how many innocent muslims are being killed by the Taliban or by suicide bombers in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

It is a plain, undeniable fact that suicide bombers will never reach paradise, according to your own Holy book.. they will burn in hellfire. Yet you rejoice in this. You obviously despise this Country, you despise our ways, our religious beliefs and our tolerant culture. This is, of course your democratic right. This is Britain, you are entitled to your opinion no matter how disgusted the majority of Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus, Jews etc may be by you.

As a token, an olive branch if you like. We offer to pay all your expenses should you choose to relocate to a country (such as Saudi Arabia) that practices Sharia law. Britain isn't for you, you dont like it here, our western culture disgusts you. A move to Saudi would also raise your standing in the Muslim world, currently there are millions of muslims in Britain who are repulsed by you. There are many people in Britain who believe you denounce Britain and all things British yet are happy to live under its democratic social security comfort blanket, you appear to be a hypocrite to many. By moving to Saudi Arabia you will be proving just how genuine you are about Sharia law.

The Koran also states that Muslims should live in peace in a foreign land and respect its customs and cultures (as the vast majority of Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus etc do) but if a muslim is not happy to do this he/she should seek to move to a "muslim" Country.

We will be willing to fund your move, and of any other members of your group who are sick of Britain. The only stipulation we would make is that you give up your British passport and your British Citizenship. This shouldn't be any real problem for you as surely every day spent living here must be awful for you. We believe in a multi-cultural society, so long as English culture is always first and foremost. Many of our members are from ethnic backgrounds. Most Muslims in this country believe in Britain, in its values, in its freedoms and in its tolerant attitudes. You do not. That is your Democratic right. But you do not want democratic rights, do you?? Surely taking money from the Social Welfare system of an evil system should be abhorrent to you.

This is a genuine offer Andy, should you choose to leave, and to escape the evils of drink and debauchery that we believe you once craved. We will fund the move. Take this opportunity to finally prove your allegiance to the Sharia.. go live the dream.. We would of course appreciate you stating your reasons should you decide NOT to take up this kind offer.

Regards,

English Defence League