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Shasown 02-03-2012 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4988752)
aww, that's cute, he thinks i know him. lol


:conf:

If i remembered anything about you or our past conversations then i would have used it back against you. But atleast you've now explained why you're being so hostile towards me, i guess we've disagreed in the past, and you hold a grudge.

I post 1 or 2 days a week here dude, and i go for weeks at a time without posting here sometimes. I don't remember our past arguments, sorry.

It's nice to know that you remember me though. That makes me feel special. :thumbs:


If it gives you those warm fuzzy feeling inside alex, fill your boots.

Just to give an extra feeling of warm fuzzies, I just want to say I have always thought you were very special Lostalex, windowlicking special.

lostalex 03-03-2012 06:24 AM

mmm, the windows taste like snozzberries!

fruit_cake 03-03-2012 10:19 AM

malvinas argentina...gibraltar espaņol!

Livia 03-03-2012 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 4994195)
malvinas argentina...gibraltar espaņol!



That's not what the inhabitants say, and it's not what it says on their passports.

fruit_cake 03-03-2012 10:46 AM

:idc:

Shasown 03-03-2012 10:51 AM

Too much money invested down their now to turn it over lock stock and barrel to Johhny Foreigner.

Scarlett. 03-03-2012 10:53 AM

The Falklands have NEVER been Argentinian, the island belongs to the islanders, the islanders want to live under the UK flag, and if that's what THEY want, thats what THEY get. That's how democracy works.

Livia 03-03-2012 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 4994245)
:idc:

Serious thread.

fruit_cake 03-03-2012 10:53 AM

they are a lot closer to Argentina than Britain, it seems a shame they can't develop a good relationship but the natives appear to be too xenophobic and visa versa.

lostalex 03-03-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4994263)
Too much money invested down their now to turn it over lock stock and barrel to Johhny Foreigner.

that's not racist! wait...

fruit_cake 03-03-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 4994268)
Serious thread.

oh give it a rest, I don't want an argument livia

Livia 03-03-2012 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 4994269)
they are a lot closer to Argentina than Britain, it seems a shame they can't develop a good relationship but the natives appear to be too xenophobic and visa versa.

They're three hundred miles away from Argentina. They just look close on a map of the world.

Livia 03-03-2012 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 4994272)
oh give it a rest, I don't want an argument livia

Come on to a serious thread about the Falklands and give it Viva Malvinas, then do the IDC coffee drinking emoticon... helpful.

Shasown 03-03-2012 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 4994269)
they are a lot closer to Argentina than Britain, it seems a shame they can't develop a good relationship but the natives appear to be too xenophobic and visa versa.

Might have something to do with the way the Argentinians treated them last time they met.

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4994270)
that's not racist! wait...

No I think the word you are looking for is Xenophobic, I know its a big word Alex, go ask mummy. Lets us know what you find out and I will tell you if you are on the right track.

fruit_cake 03-03-2012 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 4994274)
They're three hundred miles away from Argentina. They just look close on a map of the world.

Three hundred miles is not geographically very significant imo, Argentina is the only country that is remotely close to them.

lostalex 03-03-2012 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 4994269)
they are a lot closer to Argentina than Britain, it seems a shame they can't develop a good relationship but the natives appear to be too xenophobic and visa versa.

I agree, and as I said pages back, if they had a good immigration policy, then it would work itself out.

But the British seem intent on not letting any Argentinian immigrants move there, because they want to keep it RACIALLY British, and that is wrong. If there was a sensible immigration policy, where Argentinians were allowed to move to the island then this would all be worked out in 1 generation.

The problem is not sovereignty, the problem is the racist immigration policy.

If Argentinians are being blocked from immigrating to the islands, then why should Argentina allow any trade???


When Britain stops blocking Argentinian immigration to the islands, then Argentina will stop blocking trade.

Shasown 03-03-2012 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4994284)
i agree, and as i said pages back, if they jhad a good immigration policy, then it would work itself out.

But the British seem intent on not letting any Argentinian immigrants move there, because they want to keep it RACIALLY British, and that is wrong. If there was a sensible immigration policy, where Argentinians were allowed to move to the island then this would all be worked out in 1 generation.

The problem is not soveirgnty, the problem is the racdist immigration policy.

If Argentinians are being blocked from immigrating to the islands, then why should Argentina allow any trade???


When Britain stops blocking Argentinian immigration to the islands, then Argentina will stop blocking trade.

Funny old thing I would look up what the immigration policy is that prevents Argentinian immigrants, before gobbing off about something you obviously know very little about.

lostalex 03-03-2012 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4994288)
Funny old thing I would look up what the immigration policy is that prevents Argentinian immigrants, before gobbing off about something you obviously know very little about.

enlighten us all plzzz. go on...don't be vague.

fruit_cake 03-03-2012 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4994284)
I agree, and as I said pages back, if they had a good immigration policy, then it would work itself out.

But the British seem intent on not letting any Argentinian immigrants move there, because they want to keep it RACIALLY British, and that is wrong. If there was a sensible immigration policy, where Argentinians were allowed to move to the island then this would all be worked out in 1 generation.

The problem is not sovereignty, the problem is the racist immigration policy.

If Argentinians are being blocked from immigrating to the islands, then why should Argentina allow any trade???


When Britain stops blocking Argentinian immigration to the islands, then Argentina will stop blocking trade.

It's a shame, as far as I know Argentina actually has quite a few British roots too, there is a large welsh speaking community in Patagonia, I'm sure they'd enjoy a good ol' cuppa and a chin wag with the Falklanders.

Scarlett. 03-03-2012 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4994284)
i agree, and as i said pages back, if they jhad a good immigration policy, then it would work itself out.

But the British seem intent on not letting any Argentinian immigrants move there, because they want to keep it RACIALLY British, and that is wrong. If there was a sensible immigration policy, where Argentinians were allowed to move to the island then this would all be worked out in 1 generation.

The problem is not soveirgnty, the problem is the racdist immigration policy.

If Argentinians are being blocked from immigrating to the islands, then why should Argentina allow any trade???


When Britain stops blocking Argentinian immigration to the islands, then Argentina will stop blocking trade.

Around 81 islanders are of Spanish origin
Around 18 are Japanese
Around 204 are either Chiliean or other.

The island hate Argentina following their illegal occupation of the island back in the 1980s, which to this day has left many beaches and fields off limits. It's nothing to do with what us in the UK think of it all.

Roy Mars III 03-03-2012 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4994288)
Funny old thing I would look up what the immigration policy is that prevents Argentinian immigrants, before gobbing off about something you obviously know very little about.

lol don't you know who you are talking to, good luck with that

Shasown 03-03-2012 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4994290)
enlighten us all plzzz. go on...don't be vague.

Its a British Dependency(Overseas Territory), that means the Foreign Office of the United Kingdom are responsible for the immigratioon policy in line with European policies( well fancy that eh?).

Immigration is not run by the FI Government, though it does administer central government policies.

lostalex 03-03-2012 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4994297)
Its a British Dependency(Overseas Territory), that means the Foreign Office of the United Kingdom are responsible for the immigratioon policy in line with European policies( well fancy that eh?).

Immigration is not run by the FI Government, though it does administer central government policies.

so yur saying it's the UK government, not the local Malvinas Islander's policy that prevents it, umm, so what's yur point? You're just proving my point, which is that it's UK policy, not an ISlander's policy that is the problem...

Shasown 03-03-2012 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy Mars III (Post 4994295)
lol don't you know who you are talking to, good luck with that

Its my good deed for the day, either offering freindly info to prevent doughnuts showing themselves to be complete and utter balloon knots..... or helping old ladies cross busy roads

Jesus. 03-03-2012 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 4994274)
They're three hundred miles away from Argentina. They just look close on a map of the world.

8000 miles from the UK.

lostalex 03-03-2012 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy Mars III (Post 4994295)
lol don't you know who you are talking to, good luck with that

again, yu have nothing to say, just attacking me. Try adding something to the conversation on the TOPIC, i dare you.

As interesting as i am, i am NOT the topic here.

Shasown 03-03-2012 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4994299)
so yur saying it's the UK government, not the local Malvinas Islander's policy that prevents it, umm, so what's yur point? You're just proving my point, which is that it's UK policy, not an ISlander's policy that is the problem...


Please make your mind up as to whether the British Government is being racist by insisting that Argentinian citizens follow the same immigration policy as any other non EU citizen.

Or is racist just the new word you intend to throw around to all and sundry in each and every of your badly thought out inflammatory posts.

Answers on a postcard to someone who gives a flyer.......

lostalex 03-03-2012 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4994307)
Please make your mind up as to whether the British Government is being racist by insisting that Argentinian citizens follow the same immigration policy as any other non EU citizen.

Or is racist just the new word you intend to throw around to all and sundry in each and every of your badly thought out inflammatory posts.

Answers on a postcard to someone who gives a flyer.......

Oh you don't give a "flyer" then why the hell are you wasting my time??? stop trying to be cute.

please explain how it makes sense that the EU immigration policy should apply on the other side of the world.

It's clear the UK only uses that policy to prevent Argentinians from free immigration there. There's no reason that the Malvinas should be part of the EU free movement policy. It makes much more sense for it to have a free movement policy with South America than with EUROPE.

If you don't see that well then there's no talking to you. And Argentina has every right to block trade with you. Every nation has every right to choose who it does business with, just like the US and CUBA embargo.

Scarlett. 03-03-2012 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4994315)
Oh you don't give a "flyer" then why the hell are you wasting my time??? stop trying to be cute.

please explain how it makes sense that the EU immigration policy should apply on the other side of the world.

It's clear the UK only uses that policy to prevent Argentinians from free immigration there. There's no reason that the Malvinas should be part of the EU free movement policy. It makes much more sense for it to have a free movement policy with South America than with EUROPE.

If you don't see that well then there's no talking to you. And Argentina has every right to block trade with you. Every nation has every right to choose who it does business with, just like the US and CUBA embargo.

I don't think anyone disputed that, Argentina can do whatever they like, as long as they don't stage another illegal occupation of the Falklands.

They follow EU law due to being an overseas territory, the EU law isn't really an "opt out" sort of thing.

fruit_cake 03-03-2012 11:25 AM

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/o...l/59371586.jpg

I don't think having this on every border to the country is really helping the issue either :laugh:

lostalex 03-03-2012 11:29 AM

This isn't even about just UK and Argentina anymore, This is about Europe thinking they are still colonial masters over all of The Americas. North America, South America, and the Caribbean, Europe should have NOTHING to say to us anymore.

The Western Hemisphere is FREE now, get OVER IT!

Shasown 03-03-2012 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4994315)
please explain how it makes sense that the EU immigration policy should apply on the other side of the world.

It's clear the UK only uses that policy to prevent Argentinians from free immigration there. There's no reason that the Malvinas should be part of the EU free movement policy. It makes much more sense for it to have a free movement policy with South America than with EUROPE.

If you don't see that well then there's no talking to you. And Argentina has every right to block trade with you. Every nation has every right to choose who it does business with, just like the US and CUBA embargo.

Sorry where are these Malvinas you talk about?

You might think you are being awfully clever going with the Spanish name personally I think it make you look a bit foolish(intentionally mispelt).

Immigration policy for EU countries has been tucked and shaped by EU over the last few years- didnt you realise that? And yes we know the Falkland Islands is in the South Atlantic its one of those strange little anomylies that happens when we you have owned half the world.


Of course they can decide who they want to trade with, just as we can decide we dont want to trade with Argentina, we could also decide to stop giving the Aid packages we give, those arent given on a conditional agreement that they are nice to us, nor are they written in stone.

I wonder how they would feel if we just upsticks and pulled out all businesses and investments we have in Argentina, think we are currently about 6th on their list of overseas investors, should spoil thier economists year.

fruit_cake 03-03-2012 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 4994345)
Sorry where are these Malvinas you talk about?

You might think you are being awfully clever going with the Spanish name personally I think it make you look a bit foolish(intentionally mispelt).

Immigration policy for EU countries has been tucked and shaped by EU over the last few years- didnt you realise that? And yes we know the Falkland Islands is in the South Atlantic its one of those strange little anomylies that happens when we you have owned half the world.


Of course they can decide who they want to trade with, just as we can decide we dont want to trade with Argentina, we could also decide to stop giving the Aid packages we give, those arent given on a conditional agreement that they are nice to us, nor are they written in stone.

I wonder how they would feel if we just upsticks and pulled out all businesses and investments we have in Argentina, think we are currently about 6th on their list of overseas investors, should spoil thier economists year.

as far as I'm aware, technically the 'Malvinas' is actually derived from a French name, it's not Spanish at all.

Shasown 03-03-2012 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by fruit_cake (Post 4994363)
as far as I'm aware, technically the 'Malvinas' is actually derived from a French name, it's not Spanish at all.

Hate to burst your balloon Fruit cake.

The word may have been derived from a French word originally, but it was changed and is now and has been in use in Spanish speaking countries for a long long time.

Technically that makes its a Spanish word.

Interestingly enough the islands were named after the sound in 1690. By an Englishman using the name Falkland. French Settler's werent there till around 1760.

Another interesting fact this time about languages, about 28% of the English language is derived from French words, does that mean we stop calling those affected words english ones?

Jesus. 03-03-2012 12:45 PM

Another interesting fact - Argentina didn't really exist in it's current state when the English first inhabited the islands, so we can't really use the fact that we were there longer, as any kind of argument.

If Argentinians were occupying an important island (in terms of potential resources) fairly close to the UK, then we'd be screaming blue murder.

Shasown 03-03-2012 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4994341)
This isn't even about just UK and Argentina anymore, This is about Europe thinking they are still colonial masters over all of The Americas. North America, South America, and the Caribbean, Europe should have NOTHING to say to us anymore.

The Western Hemisphere is FREE now, get OVER IT!

The Falklands is in the Southern Hemisphere.

Silly boy the Eastern/Western hemisphere thing doesnt apply to us Brits, we made the damn lines up and are ballsy enough to straddle the divide between East and West. (The Prime Meridian which divides east from west in this man made constrict is in fact the Greenwhich meridian which flows through, yes thats right Greenwich London)

Go look it up, then away to your room wee man and study a little more, you have a nasty wee habit of engaging fingers before brain.

Shasown 03-03-2012 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 4994489)
Another interesting fact - Argentina didn't really exist in it's current state when the English first inhabited the islands, so we can't really use the fact that we were there longer, as any kind of argument.

If Argentinians were occupying an important island (in terms of potential resources) fairly close to the UK, then we'd be screaming blue murder.

Whilst there are no Argentinians occupying any important islands up here, we do have other neighbours who we allow to run thier own countries, you know like France and Germany even the Spanish.

What part of self determination are people, like the Argentinian govenrment etc failing to understand.

It wasnt too hard to understand when they wanted it for themselves while living under the various dictators and juntas they have had to bear over the last hundred years or so.

Seems like lessons may need repeating.

Livia 03-03-2012 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 4994302)
8000 miles from the UK.

I know that. However, I don't think that simply because it's closer to Argentina they should have dibs on it. The bottom line for me is that the Islanders themselves want to remain British. If they ever change their minds, Argentina and the UK should talk.

lostalex 03-03-2012 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 4994489)
Another interesting fact - Argentina didn't really exist in it's current state when the English first inhabited the islands, so we can't really use the fact that we were there longer, as any kind of argument.

If Argentinians were occupying an important island (in terms of potential resources) fairly close to the UK, then we'd be screaming blue murder.

Interesting fact, Great Britain really didn't exist in it's current ENGLISH form for thousands of years, Britain was CEltic before the Germanic Anglo's came along, so give back Britain to the Celts too plzzz.

MTVN 03-03-2012 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4994664)
Interesting fact, Great Britain really didn't exist in it's current ENGLISH form for thousands of years, Britain was CEltic before the Germanic Anglo's came along, so give back Britain to the Celts too plzzz.

Err.. that post was actually arguing in favour of giving Argentina the Falklands


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