First off I am not a homosexual, second off I dont want to go into a church except feet first. Third it is a natural state, look at the male big horn sheep or the homosexuality that’s been documented in over 450 different vertebrate species. Simply because todays science cant find a reason for something or a gene to explain things does not make something any less real.

No does being a homosexual exclude anyone from wanting to worship god in a church of their choosing.

Yes I do think they were stupid for openly defying convention in the church, yes I also think they are looking for their little bit of fame or notarity. Thats the problem with going to the press, the article will polarise opinion and no one wins, everyone looks bad.

the whole catholic church reeks of stupidity, jesus was a jew ffs.

Yeah course it does, one of the biggest money spinning cons in history. But what has the catholic Church to do with this thread? Could I refer you back to post #45 :wink:

Nope.
The teachings you took the 'snippet' from are from the Gospels where you first understand the concept is a Jewish Rabbi under Jewish Law who is teaching Law to other Jews under the Law.

In fact far from saying 'don't judge' (if you cut out 2 words from a sentence you can change the meaning entire as you did) but the actual message was:

Followed by the example of pointing out a 'speck' in a brothers eye while having a plank in your own.

Well this is for Jews and concerning their Law but the entire thing makes for a common-sense Christian principle too and simply put - be consistent in your judgment.
If the Pastor of this church was holding hands with his gay boyfriend during the sermon then he ought to hold himself to the same rules as the lesbians in the pews.

That is not complicated.

This Christian teaching is one of the very founding principles behind our societies belief in a fair and equal and just society where (we believe) that a government MP can and should be subject to the exact same laws and penalties (and right to defend) as the polish window-washer.

Again, the teaching is about judging. When you judge. about how to make proper judgments.
Obviously everything would be senseless if nobody 'judged' anything.

Duly noted you and Shasawn are delighted to be judging the Church here but I have no doubt will use different standards for some other things in your own lives?

Some of my best friends are homos! How dare you judge me!

Its not often you are right but you are most definately wrong again




"He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her". Thats from John chapter 8


What you are referring to is the Sermon on the Mount, it covers Matthew chapter 5 - 8 the part you refer to is Matthew 7:2 followed by the plank in the eye at Matt 7:3 a totally unrelated part of a completely different gospel.

I would advise you to get out your bible and check things like that out before you put your foot in your mouth like that poxi. Top Tip of the Day. Check your references before blindly spouting something you appear to know very little about. To quote yourself "That is not complicated"

Delighted, why would I be delighted? No I use the same measures and consistancies throughout my life.

I presume he judges you just as you have judged him!

Nope.
You screwed this up. not me. He was not referring to the 'cast the first stone' passage.
He was 'invoking' the 'judge not' teaching.
He referred to something saying 'Judge Not'. (which is an out of context clip from Matthew).

For some reason YOU decided he must have meant the 'first stone' passage and then he agreed with you.
Both of you were wrong.

That WAS the 'judge not' passage he was trying to refer to. You brought up an unrelated passage.
I think you should heed that advice and I think its HILARIOUS you actually screwed this up and now will feel totally stupid when you realize it.

Top tip for you: If someone references to a passage with the words 'judge not' then they probably are referring to THE PART WITH THOSE WORDS IN IT dummy! lol


I doubt that.

Ok, thanks Rimmer:xyxwave:

Poor exercise in ass covering there matey. Go back and review from about thread#40 and you will see the real truth of what you have once again twisted to suit your own argument.

You are most welcome Lister :xyxwave:

I wasn't going to rub your face in it but since you keep 'asking for it' lets go review.

Stu starts by asking/writing:
I then ask Stu:
Now at this point I know he is referring to 'judge not lest you be judged accordingly',
but,
YOU jump in and MISTAKENLY believe Stu and I are talking about 'cast the first stone'.
Watch as you even explain how you think that is the 'judge not' passage:

Now after you misidentify his reference he shows up confused thinking you must have it right.
He writes:
Both of you are wrong. He was referring to the 'Judge Not' passage all along and in the first place.
Then after I correctly identify the passage HE WAS referring to,
and,
explain to you the 'cast the first stone' passage is NOT the 'judge not' passage,
then,
even after realizing you screwed up you stupidly write:
He wasn't talking about that passage and once again that is NOT referred to as the 'judge not' passage.
D'oh!

You are 100% self-pwned and why you keep wanting to push it is baffling.
I did not 'rub your face' in this.
You did.

In the future I will not be allowing you to waste my time with this much stupidity,
but,
this should be 'lesson learned' for you. You should be a little embarrassed now and realize you ought not try this again.

You may of course have noticed that neither of us are what you would call practicing Christians, dumbass.

Stop posting.

Homosexuality has been well documented in the animal kingdom.

I love the way your ignorance is exceeded only by your arrogance.

You know what people think and believe? Do me a favour, EMS!

and not in any way shape or form agreed on. Trying to morph human things onto animals is the same as Paris Hilton dressing her dog in a tutu, and about as useful.

Interesting argument there, though I'm not sure what you've addressed exactly. What is not agreed on?

Homosexual behavior has been observed in over a thousand different species. Of course, it is continuously studied and such studies are difficult to conduct as human interference must be kept to an absolute minimum, if not entirely or else such studies are considered invalid. In order to conduct accurate studies on group social behavior in animals, the presence of human interaction(whether direct or indirect) can nullify the value of any findings.

Of course, the primary argument(obviously not evidence based conclusions) that religious fanatics trumpeted for ages was that homosexuality was relegated to humans and was the result of amoral choices. Unfortunately for them, countless species have been observed in the wild engaging in homosexual behavior, even extending into same sex companionship in some of the more socially advanced species.

Of course, I'm sure you can refute this with something about frogs wearing bathing suits.

The homophobia and flat out bigotry in this thread is alarming. This thread should be locked, and members warned.

ant YOU GOT NOWT better to do wi your life than grass ppl up on a friggin forum? keyboard warrior

i would rather ban you for your avatar and i would wager i am not alone.

Homophobia is a made-up mental illness that was popularized by gay activist orgs and people who were not psychiatrists or psychologists. It is true that the first 'documented' use (this is not the first use) might be a gay rights activist using it sarcastically (a neologism) in a hardcore porn mag,
but,
the reason it got popular was because activists and their propagandists began using it at every turn, media, placard.
Eventually the dictionary recognized it as a word being used to mean 'fear of homosexuals' (it is used that way).

But suppose there was such a thing?
An irrational fear of homosexuals or homosexuality?
I suppose there is.
Why should you want to prosecute those with this mental illness?
Why do you love the idea of threatening them with 'warnings' as if their mental problem was a crime?
Why do you want to 'lock up' homophobia sufferers?
I suppose you would like to straight-jacket them and gag them too?

These people suffer from an illness and how dare you talk of 'locking them up' and 'threatening them' to be silent!
First they are victims and now people like you want to victimize them even further for it.
There is increasing evidence that they may very well have been born this way. Its not a 'choice' but simply 'who they are' and who are you to condemn them?

Quite seriously, people like you make me sick to my stomach. Spewing hatred and bullying those with weaknesses is the worst thing there is. People like you are what is wrong with the world today and unless you learn to change your attitudes we never progress.

First you need to stop calling them 'homophobic' because that is simply unacceptable and insulting.
It starts with words.
They are called 'gay panic response sufferers' and don't need to be called derogatory names by you.

Next you need to start being a little more tolerant. Actually a LOT more tolerant. GPR people are JUST LIKE YOU AND ME and you have no right to stop them, tell them when to talk or what to do.
EVEN IF you disagree with GPR Sufferers (fine) but TOLERANCE for EVERYONE ought to be where you stand.

Last but not least - once you start using the proper terms and start learning to be tolerant you may then actually try and LEARN about GPR Sufferers!
get over your ignorance and become educated about GPR,
and,
wow.. you might even try and MEET some GPR Sufferers and realize they are actually normal people like you and me who have jobs and families and goals and not these 'horrible monsters' you make them out to be.

Its time people like you STOP your homophobist hate-spewing censoring of GPR people.

:joker:

well said lad

For the record, I don't think homophobes are mentally ill nor that they need locking up. They are just ignorant, uneducated and/or insecure people like the poster above me. It seems you put words in... just about everybody's mouths there.

Speaking of mental illness, I'm sure any psychiatrist would have a field day with your whacko conspiracy theories and protracted, inarticulate rambling. To say nothing of your internalised homophobia.

I think there is a lot of confusion over people who are not gay who dislike what gay people do sexually (men) which is around 99.9% of the population and those who bully and abuse gay people because they dislike them because they do not conform to their nasty worldview.

No, I don't think there is much confusion at all. Your just being incredibly vague about it.

Obviously a straight man would not like a cock up his ass, that's perfectly acceptable and inevitable. After all a gay man probably wouldn't like to stick his own party stick in a vag. Nobody is talking about these people. Far and beyond that plenty of real homophobes exist. People who just don't like gays on a cultural & social level, as well as but not always religious and ethical ones.

Just .. don't like the people. Hatred. I'm talking about hate. It's almost recreational hate. Some ignorant, intolerable people just ... need things to hate. Beats me why. But the gays are an old favourite. The ***** are another one. It's got nothing to do with the very different idea of simply not being comftorable participating in or watching a sexual act that's not natural or appealing to you. Nobody is 'discriminating' against these people, which you are forever trying to point out.

Just like you seem to forever be marginalizing the very real concept of homophobia whenever the situation arises.

That's a rather strange route to take in most accepting peoples eyes.

Wow you really are clutching at straws now Elprox, Gay Panic response is a defence used by people who after assaulting or even killing a homosexual have used the temporary insanity get out clause to being approached sexually by the person they have assaulted etc.

Note the word "insanity", so you pretty much admit to those you claim are gay panic sufferers as having a mental impairment. Well done mate, case proven.

It doesnt wash in the UK nor does the syndrome you mentioned.

Homophobia is an acceptable term for the irrational fear of gays, end of.

If people are so insecure in their own sexuality they feel threatened by the presence of someone who is gay, either because of previous trauma or more likely because of their own insecurities about thier own sexuality, then yes they do need some form of therapy. In a way what you are suggesting could be extended to giving anyone a get out of jail free card. " I thought he was gay your honour and after me arse so I twatted him" Yeah that really works.

Homophobia was defined as a state of mind by psychologists not by gay rights activists. No matter how much you and your homophobic mates argue it wasnt.

The thing is, there is a difference between, what technically, homophobia is (fear of homosexual), I suppose technically it would be something they cant control, I know there are people like that, who actually have a genuine fear, for one reason or another.

BUt what most people call homophobia, we all know what it is, weather its technically correct or not, its the people who hate/discriminate/look down upon, people who are homosexuals. If you ask most people, thats what they would tell you homophobia is. unless you break down the word, or look up the meaning, most people see it as that, and, me personally, even though I know the real definition of the word, in everyday conversations, I use it as the general consensus meaning of the word, so its really silly to get technical about it. We all know what most peolpe mean, by homophobia.

Not exactly the same thing , but its similar to when people call you racist, for not liking foreigners, or not liking someone from a certain religion. Technically, it shouldnt be, but most people will just call you racist.

And btW, i thought El proximo, was just being sarcastic, and making jokes, i didnt think it was a serious post!:conf:

This from the poster who exhibits the most hate in the whole forum?


(although he is a nice guy underneath)

Apart from my longstanding campaign against troll posters, I think your full of shit. As usual.

One day, as others have alluded to in the past, you might be prepared to engage in debate with adults instead of making one liners, but it looks like today is not that day.

You would think that as you know I am right. :wink:

and you are just a lad, not an adult.

If you are so confident then there is no reason why you can't outline your arguments for us all.

With adults! So not with you obviously then.

a male Wombai :shocked:

Thank you for your valid contribution. It has been noted for future reference :wink:.

i cant believe I spelled church wrong

You'll be excomunicated by Gavin deep deep in the Highlands - Or sent to Switzerland

Can you pick Sweety Samy and biglover back up on the way home in a white military jumbo? thanks - Kerry goes to Iceland in them, but there's one in Inverness LT - not sure of Elgin.........ask Shas

Frozen teas @ LT's house with Samy and biglover'sister Joanne sounds super

Who invented the name for this site as TIBB (Fawlty) Towers - prey remind me..

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! :joker:

I thought Batman ended up killing the joker in the end?

Wombai and Stuuuuuuuuuu! :bouncy:

The joker being you of course! :joker:

Batman doesn't want to kill anyone, just incapacitates them usually. Oh Stu.

Wombai and Stu in civil partnership shock?