Originally Posted by Speedster (Post 3353354)

Very *********g true, there are plenty of hetrosexual parents who abuse their kids all over the country and probably the world. Hetrosexual parent does not mean great parent.

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy (Post 3353352)

No one whatsoever has the right to tell Dave he is wrong in what he believes ,it is so arrogant to think your opinion is more valid than the next persons

Originally Posted by Speedster (Post 3353365)

THAT was My point exactly, but just take time to read the comments on here and the C4 BB site and see how judgemental people are about people they don't know and have never and will never meet.

Yes, we all have a right to our opinions, but the arrogance that goes with express those opinions leaves Me cold.

Originally Posted by monx (Post 3353314)

Unfortunately organised judeo-christian, muslim and various other religions are all based on holy books written centuries ago.

The morality taught in these books are based on a society where there was no secular law and the masses needed to be controlled, the way they did this was by promising a heavenly afterlife as long as you followed the rules whilst you are alive.

Society has (in some ways) progressed and same sex relationships are more acceptable to the majority of people. There have been some concessions in civil law to the validity of those relationships but still the religions stick to outdated and unfair doctrines that have little or nothing to do with modern life.

Being homosexual is not a life choice, there is no choice in the matter you either are or are not. The only thing that is near a choice, is to live your life to the full or live a lie and conform.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and whilst Dave says he loves everyone and has no problem with gays he just wont marry them, I find that even if he felt comfortable doing it the scriptures around which he has built his physical and spiritual life around see it as an abomination. He is in a very difficult position and I dont dislike him for being truthful.

I just wish people who seek enlightenment actually find it!

Originally Posted by monx (Post 3353314)

Unfortunately organised judeo-christian, muslim and various other religions are all based on holy books written centuries ago.

The morality taught in these books are based on a society where there was no secular law and the masses needed to be controlled, the way they did this was by promising a heavenly afterlife as long as you followed the rules whilst you are alive.

Society has (in some ways) progressed and same sex relationships are more acceptable to the majority of people. There have been some concessions in civil law to the validity of those relationships but still the religions stick to outdated and unfair doctrines that have little or nothing to do with modern life.

Being homosexual is not a life choice, there is no choice in the matter you either are or are not. The only thing that is near a choice, is to live your life to the full or live a lie and conform.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and whilst Dave says he loves everyone and has no problem with gays he just wont marry them, I find that even if he felt comfortable doing it the scriptures around which he has built his physical and spiritual life around see it as an abomination. He is in a very difficult position and I dont dislike him for being truthful.

I just wish people who seek enlightenment actually find it!

Originally Posted by Chuckyegg (Post 3353557)

Being straight isn't natural - it's just very common.

It's incredibly patronising to have someone feel sorry for your sexuality - but the fact that he is being told to do so (by whoever wrote the bible) kind of balances it back again.

Originally Posted by MojoNixon (Post 3353559)

So if you hetero, you are sick? And if you wanna suck and hump someones tailpipe (same gender that is), it is normal? Ok...i did not know i was wrong.

Originally Posted by Chuckyegg (Post 3353557)

Being straight isn't natural - it's just very common.

It's incredibly patronising to have someone feel sorry for your sexuality - but the fact that he is being told to do so (by whoever wrote the bible) kind of balances it back again.

Originally Posted by jimbobster (Post 3353570)

what kind of wierd world do you live in, God never made Adam and Steve or Eve and Eva lmfao, you need a man and woman to have intercourse to have a child and thats what you call natural. If the whole world was gay humans would be exstincted like dinosuars lol. At the end of the day we all know being gay is wrong but sum do it, but its not our duty to judge them as they will have to face the Creator one day and will have to answer for their actions on Earth and as far as i care they can do what they want aslong as they dont put it in my face or influence my children.

peace

above are my personal voiews just like evryone is entitled to a view.

Originally Posted by jimbobster (Post 3353570)

what kind of wierd world do you live in, God never made Adam and Steve or Eve and Eva lmfao, you need a man and woman to have intercourse to have a child and thats what you call natural. If the whole world was gay humans would be exstincted like dinosuars lol. At the end of the day we all know being gay is wrong but sum do it, but its not our duty to judge them as they will have to face the Creator one day and will have to answer for their actions on Earth and as far as i care they can do what they want aslong as they dont put it in my face or influence my children.

peace

above are my personal voiews just like evryone is entitled to a view.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 3353581)

there are men and there are women


sexual proclivity is a personal thing. men and women mate to make more men and women

that is the natural order that has evolved

no one knows why a small minority of humans prefer their own kind sexually, it may be the way they are brought up.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 3353581)

there are men and there are women


sexual proclivity is a personal thing. men and women mate to make more men and women

that is the natural order that has evolved

no one knows why a small minority of humans prefer their own kind sexually, it may be the way they are brought up.

Originally Posted by Speedster (Post 3353354)

Very *********g true, there are plenty of hetrosexual parents who abuse their kids all over the country and probably the world. Hetrosexual parent does not mean great parent.

Originally Posted by Chuckyegg (Post 3353632)

I'm glad this discussion has happened. I've been able to stick a whole bunch of ***holes on my ignore list. It was very satisfying. Like when I empty the bins on a Tuesday.

Originally Posted by matt2201 (Post 3353704)

For anybody who asks "why do gay people follow a religion that says being gay is a sin?", shouldn't you also be asking "why do adulterers follow a religion not only says that adultery is a sin, but where it's also one of the 10 commandments?".

Originally Posted by karezza (Post 3353181)

Homosexuality is antiChristian. David is entitled to his views.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 3353722)

who is asking "why do gay people follow a religion that says being gay is a sin?"

:conf:

apart from you

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo (Post 3354426)

Yes, and it wasn't so long ago (the 19th century and before) that Christians justified slavery and their apalling of people based on their colour?

Fortunately, we live in more enlightened times so eventually the Church will realise that Gays and Lesbians are born that way and it isn't about a lifestyle choice, far from it, then there will be the same apologies for the horrendous way in which Gays and Lesbians have been treated just the same as the way black people were treated, ALL justified by some obscure passages in the Bible.

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo (Post 3354442)

Many Gay people don't follow Christianity and are either agnostic, total non believers or followers of other religions which are enlightened and tolerant such as Paganism, Wicca etc.

Originally Posted by jimbobster (Post 3354511)

Being gay is disgusting yukkk

i dont know how another man would let another man put his nob in another mans dirt hole errrrrrr yukkk

these people must get all sorts of dirty penis diseases lol, i dont mind gays aslong as they keep there gayness to themselves and dont influence society and children coz that is wrong. Alot things on tv these days influence children to be gay and think its the normality when it isnt but what can you do when we have sickos run our tv broadcasting.. oh well we live in a world where everything thats is wrong is right and everything that is right is wrong and thats a fact.:devil:

Originally Posted by KG. (Post 3354526)

What a fucking immature and ill informed post.

Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 3352966)

He said HE would not conduct a marriage ceremony between a gay couple as this would compromise his Christian beliefs and he is entitled to that stance. It has nothing to do with homophobia. I loathe any type of discrimination where it is unmerited, but in the case of religion which is a personal choice I do not see why someone should have to compromise their faith to accommodate the often secular opinions of others. There are plenty of other Christian demoninations who feel the same way, and would not entertain a gay marriage. Nobody has said gay people cannot get married if they so wish. A lot of ministers will not marry straight people who are not regular churchgoers, and quite right too. The church isn't there as a backdrop to your wedding pics, it should mean something, otherwise go do the deed in a registry office (as I did as I'm not a hypocrite).

If a gay couple want a religious ceremony one would have to ask WHY? when it so clearly states in the bible that homosexuality is not condoned. If you have decided to follow a religion you cannot just cherry pick the bits you agree with and ignore the bits don't.

Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 3353281)

Seems you missed my point completely. So I will explain what I mean in detail, albeit this is only my personal opinion. Every single religion has its own belief system and "scriptures". Therefore it is every individual's personal choice to select that religion (or denomination thereof) that jives with their own beliefs, inclinations, moral compass whatever. Therefore a gay person has the same freedom of choice to believe or not believe in whatever a particular religion dictates.

What you don't do is CHOOSE to follow a faith or religion which is quite clearly AGAINST your particular path in life and then bleat and whinge about how it's discriminatory. There are plenty of Christian denominations that condone women priests, and just as many that don't. There are plenty of Christian denominations that condone gay marriage and just as many that don't. It's not like there's not a custom made religion for everybody since there are reportedly over 38000 denominations that ALL consider themselves Christian, so basically the cherry picking has already been done.

By the way I am not religious at all which is why I didn't get married in a Church, nor did I have my children christened since it would have been meaningless and hypocritical. But just because I am not religious doesn't mean I don't respect the right of others to believe what the hell they like.

As regards the molestation of choir boys, I think you'll find that's a given in the Catholic faith in which I was brought up till the age of 16 when I decided I could not believe in the virgin birth or some man in a frock "forgiving" my sins just so long as I spouted a hail mary or two. Like the legal system, the Law is nothing to do with justice, and Religion is often nothing to do with morality.

Originally Posted by jimbobster (Post 3354603)

Ill informed? yeah right fool, just coz i do not agree with people wrong in there life!

It is disgusting and it is against humanity, you need to wake up and see what is wrong and right or has everyone on this Earth lost there mind and think wrong is right?

I love the gay executions in Iran, atleast they know how to deal with the problem lol:devil: