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BB_Eye 21-07-2010 11:21 AM

I think part of the reason the UK is more politically correct and multicultural than the rest of Europe is because our indigenous culture and history is so dull. Britain was always better known for its innovations in the natural sciences than the arts, where the French, Germans, Dutch and Italians outclass us to the point of being embarrassing.

Part of the problem is that nationalism and patriotism as we understand it today originated in the 19th century... a time when folk art and nationalist music of Wagner, Chopin and Tchaikovsky was celebrated. Obviously Germans are not so proud of their country (despite their rich heritage) because of the Third Reich, but it is easy to understand why they had so much to be proud of before all of that.

All that Britain represented in the 19th century was the chest-beating pomp of Lord Nelson, Queen Victoria and the British Empire. We even had to make up our own folk stories like the legend of King Arthur, because our medieval literary heritage was so barren. Britain suffered a similar predicament to many other anglophone countries. Its traditions lie in the valuing enterprise over creativity and pragmatism over idealism. As a result, Britain is culturally impoverished and doomed to forever suffer an inferiority complex towards its neighbours.

Shasown 21-07-2010 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Eye_Spy (Post 3531930)
try googling landmineaction dot org resources, it gives you the ingo you need there to get up to speed sonny. links dont seem to work here.

PMSL I dont need to google anything, and I am probably a little older than you.

Lewis. 21-07-2010 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 3530891)
No. Try living in Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea, Zimbabwe...

This. We've got it good over here. We live in a democracy where people can choose what they want to happen. Yes, the government have got quite a few things wrong over time, but i'd rather be paying 2p more for my my packet of polo's than be hunted and killed for moaning about it. Consider yourself lucky.

Eye_Spy 21-07-2010 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 3531936)
PMSL I dont need to google anything, and I am probably a little older than you.

i am sure you dont, never let the truth get in the way of a good fairytale, seems to be your motto.

Shasown 21-07-2010 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Eye_Spy (Post 3531940)
i am sure you dont, never let the truth get in the way of a good fairytale, seems to be your motto.

Is that the best you can come up with?

Where in any of your wiki quotes does it say we caused thousands of casualties in Kosovo by offensive air? In fact wasnt there praise of the 6 aircraft from 1(F) squadron operating out of Gioia del Colle because of the accuracy of the strikes against Serb military positions?

Incidentally on the raids of the 24th, only one RAF dropped ordnance, the rest of the aircraft returned to Italy still fully loaded. That was to prevent hitting civvy targets by mistake. Different story on the 25th and subsequent raids.

shaz20 21-07-2010 11:42 AM

Can I ask why this is posted in a BB forum? Surely there are political forums in which you can discuss this, I dont think the Big brother tv programme can address your issues.

ElProximo 21-07-2010 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo (Post 3531898)
I won't even dignify your post with a reply El Proximo:hugesmile:

Speaking English was all the dignifying I could ask for.

Angus 21-07-2010 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BB_Eye (Post 3531933)
I think part of the reason the UK is more politically correct and multicultural than the rest of Europe is because our indigenous culture and history is so dull. Britain was always better known for its innovations in the natural sciences than the arts, where the French, Germans, Dutch and Italians outclass us to the point of being embarrassing.

Part of the problem is that nationalism and patriotism as we understand it today originated in the 19th century... a time when folk art and nationalist music of Wagner, Chopin and Tchaikovsky was celebrated. Obviously Germans are not so proud of their country (despite their rich heritage) because of the Third Reich, but it is easy to understand why they had so much to be proud of before all of that.

All that Britain represented in the 19th century was the chest-beating pomp of Lord Nelson, Queen Victoria and the British Empire. We even had to make up our own folk stories like the legend of King Arthur, because our medieval literary heritage was so barren. Britain suffered a similar predicament to many other anglophone countries. Its traditions lie in the valuing enterprise over creativity and pragmatism over idealism. As a result, Britain is culturally impoverished and doomed to forever suffer an inferiority complex towards its neighbours.


I've seldom read such tosh - Britain has a rich and magnificent history and has contributed greatly to the world in terms of literature, art, engineering, technology, exploration, science, medicine, invention etc etc.

We are such a fractured society that there is no national cohesion or common purpose any more, and I doubt we will ever again see the kind of unity and love of country that helped us stand alone for two years during WW2.

As a Brit, far from suffering from an inferiority complex, I am extremely proud of our heritage and contribution to the world, and grateful to the servicemen who died in order to keep this country safe from invasion and occupation.

Angus 21-07-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by shaz20 (Post 3531979)
Can I ask why this is posted in a BB forum? Surely there are political forums in which you can discuss this, I dont think the Big brother tv programme can address your issues.

Precisely what I queried in my first post on this thread - where are the mods? They should have moved this to Serious Debates by now.

StGeorge 21-07-2010 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Eye_Spy (Post 3531830)
yes thank god britain was the best of the worst invaders. hardly a pat on the back of endorsements there. That we 'britain' took so much and gave back so little, reveals it all. pretty disgusting really.

Er....i think you need to get a grip.

I would like to point out, to the less fortunate on here who seem to have missed out on an education, that Britain was invaded long before it started invading others.
I refuse to apologise because my ancestors were better at kicking arse than others....I WASNT AROUND BACK THEN. And when the Italians, French, Germans, Scandinavians etc apologise for invading Britain....then a serious dialogue may be achieved. Until then i'll let their ancient conquests go as i can understand that it has nothing to do with the modern day incumbents of those countries.

As for our modern invasions....correct me if im wrong, but Iraq was invaded by a UN backed force initially due to Iraq illegally invading a sovereign country, Kuwait. The subsequent invasion was after successive attempts to bring the Iraqi regime back to the rule of international law and not mass murder Kurds, Shiites etc.
And the Afghan invasion was perhaps due in main to a little event that happened in NY 09.11.2001.

100% behind both current wars.

StGeorge 21-07-2010 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Eye_Spy (Post 3531846)
the army is there to defend britain isant it, now correct me if i am wrong but i cannot remember iraq invading britain. thats what the ministry of defense is isant it, to defend britain, otherwise it would be called the ministry of attack.
No Iraq invaded Kuwait..OVER OIL.. and we under a coalition backed by the UN kicked them out and then removed the regime once it had murdered a mass of Kurds & Shiites and made it blindingly obvious it was hell bent on more atrocities.

i dont have to whip anything up, we have bombed the crap out of kosovo, iraq and afghanistan havant we?
I think you will find we bombed Serbia as they were slaughtering ethnic Albanians in Kosovo. You really need to educate yourself before spouting garbage.

of course we supply arms to 3rd world dictators such as mugabe in the past for example, why would that be einstein?

100% agree bad policy....but if we didnt arm them and try to influence their internal policies, then some other dickwad would step in.

StGeorge 21-07-2010 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo (Post 3531874)
Whether you gave them good infrastructure or not does not justify taking a country that doesn't want to be taken, with all due respect. I'm sure if ye still had control of the republic of Ireland our roads would be better too but I'd rather be Irish tbh.

Very noble Niam, but unfortunately even the Irish are not exempt from a little bit of holiday invading themselves....The Scots were an Irish tribe that invaded "Pictland" and did a bit of re-educating the local populace to the Scots way of thinking. Hence you now have Scotland and Scots, and the Picts have been assimilated (or worse).

StGeorge 21-07-2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Eye_Spy (Post 3531880)
At roughly 7pm (GMT) on Wednesday 24th May 1999, NATO forces in the Mediterranean and Europe launched a sustained bombing strike against Yugoslav military targets in retaliation for the Yugoslavian refusal to abide by agreements made the previous year over Kosovo and to stop repression by military force of the Kosovo people, which had already caused thousands of casualties RAF Harriers of No.1 Squadron and Tristar tankers operating from Italian airfields took part in the campaign,

Ah just seen this....so you are familiar with the historical event then?

So if as you say....we bombed certain Serbian military targets due to the Serbian refusal to abide by agreements made the previous year over Kosovo and to stop repression by military force of the Kosovo people, which had already caused thousands of casualties....how the hell can you say we bombed Kosovo???? And i take it millions were not killed here?

Shasown 21-07-2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by StGeorge (Post 3532037)
Very noble Niam, but unfortunately even the Irish are not exempt from a little bit of holiday invading themselves....The Scots were an Irish tribe that invaded "Pictland" and did a bit of re-educating the local populace to the Scots way of thinking. Hence you now have Scotland and Scots, and the Picts have been assimilated (or worse).

Niamh has conveniently forgotten that while the British were busing making the Empire and invading all those poor countries, Irishmen joined up locally raised regiments of the British Army voluntarily. Hence such famous and historic names Royal Irish Dragoon Guards, 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars,
Irish Guards. Queen's Royal Irish Hussars, Royal Irish Artillery, Royal Irish Lancers, Royal Irish Rangers, Connaught Rangers, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers,
Prince of Wales's Leinster Regiment, North Irish Horse, Royal Dublin Fusiliers
Royal Irish Fusiliers, Royal Irish Regiment (1684-1922) Royal Ulster Rifles,
Royal Munster Fusiliers, South Irish Horse.

crit 21-07-2010 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by StGeorge (Post 3532037)
Very noble Niam, but unfortunately even the Irish are not exempt from a little bit of holiday invading themselves....The Scots were an Irish tribe that invaded "Pictland" and did a bit of re-educating the local populace to the Scots way of thinking. Hence you now have Scotland and Scots, and the Picts have been assimilated (or worse).


Dont forget the Irish invasions of Wales and how the Irish took the Welsh as slaves. St Patrick himself Welsh was made a slave by the irish.


Slavery is a part of most nations history, nothing to be proud of but nobody can use it as a stick to beat other nations with as it was universal practice for everyone at one time or another.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick

StGeorge 21-07-2010 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo (Post 3531891)
We would be British also though and it's not meant disrespectfully but I don't want to be British, just Irish is fine.

I 100% respect that....its a shame though i'm not allowed to be English with my own English parliament and national anthem. :rolleyes:

StGeorge 21-07-2010 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by crit (Post 3532072)
Dont forget the Irish invasions of Wales and how the Irish took the Welsh as slaves. St Patrick himself Welsh was made a slave by the irish.


Slavery is a part of most nations history, nothing to be proud of but nobody can use it as a stick to beat other nations with as it was universal practice for everyone at one time or another.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick

I guess this is a good point to add this:

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"

and

"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

Shasown 21-07-2010 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by StGeorge (Post 3532085)
and

"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

Nah people in glass houses shouldnt walk around naked.

crit 21-07-2010 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by StGeorge (Post 3532077)
I 100% respect that....its a shame though i'm not allowed to be English with my own English parliament and national anthem. :rolleyes:

This!

The English are treated like an unimportant underclass. We deserve an English Parliament to deal with English matters, just like the Welsh, N Irish and Scots.

Niamh. 21-07-2010 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by StGeorge (Post 3532037)
Very noble Niam, but unfortunately even the Irish are not exempt from a little bit of holiday invading themselves....The Scots were an Irish tribe that invaded "Pictland" and did a bit of re-educating the local populace to the Scots way of thinking. Hence you now have Scotland and Scots, and the Picts have been assimilated (or worse).

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Originally Posted by Shasown (Post 3532066)
Niamh has conveniently forgotten that while the British were busing making the Empire and invading all those poor countries, Irishmen joined up locally raised regiments of the British Army voluntarily. Hence such famous and historic names Royal Irish Dragoon Guards, 8th King's Royal Irish Hussars,
Irish Guards. Queen's Royal Irish Hussars, Royal Irish Artillery, Royal Irish Lancers, Royal Irish Rangers, Connaught Rangers, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers,
Prince of Wales's Leinster Regiment, North Irish Horse, Royal Dublin Fusiliers
Royal Irish Fusiliers, Royal Irish Regiment (1684-1922) Royal Ulster Rifles,
Royal Munster Fusiliers, South Irish Horse.

Quote:

Originally Posted by crit (Post 3532072)
Dont forget the Irish invasions of Wales and how the Irish took the Welsh as slaves. St Patrick himself Welsh was made a slave by the irish.


Slavery is a part of most nations history, nothing to be proud of but nobody can use it as a stick to beat other nations with as it was universal practice for everyone at one time or another.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick

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Originally Posted by StGeorge (Post 3532085)
I guess this is a good point to add this:

"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone"

and

"People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"

Touche! I'm obviously not as well up on my history as ye are:hugesmile: And I do enjoy reading you're posts. Same can not be said for some other blatantly rude and ignorant posters (one in particular) who shall remain nameless!!!

StGeorge 21-07-2010 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BB_Eye (Post 3531933)
I think part of the reason the UK is more politically correct and multicultural than the rest of Europe is because our indigenous culture and history is so dull. Britain was always better known for its innovations in the natural sciences than the arts, where the French, Germans, Dutch and Italians outclass us to the point of being embarrassing.

Part of the problem is that nationalism and patriotism as we understand it today originated in the 19th century... a time when folk art and nationalist music of Wagner, Chopin and Tchaikovsky was celebrated. Obviously Germans are not so proud of their country (despite their rich heritage) because of the Third Reich, but it is easy to understand why they had so much to be proud of before all of that.

All that Britain represented in the 19th century was the chest-beating pomp of Lord Nelson, Queen Victoria and the British Empire. We even had to make up our own folk stories like the legend of King Arthur, because our medieval literary heritage was so barren. Britain suffered a similar predicament to many other anglophone countries. Its traditions lie in the valuing enterprise over creativity and pragmatism over idealism. As a result, Britain is culturally impoverished and doomed to forever suffer an inferiority complex towards its neighbours.

Maybe our indigenous culture would of come to the fore if these islands weren't invaded by the culturally superiour and artistically minded Italians, Germans and Franks????

StGeorge 21-07-2010 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo (Post 3532104)
Touche! I'm obviously not as well up on my history as ye are:hugesmile: And I do enjoy reading you're posts. Same can not be said for some other blatantly rude and ignorant posters (one in particular) who shall remain nameless!!!

Im proud to call myself English....and even British if pushed....but that doesnt mean i agree with all our colonial past.
The fact is though, i wasnt around to influence those times.

Niamh. 21-07-2010 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by StGeorge (Post 3532132)
Im proud to call myself English....and even British if pushed....but that doesnt mean i agree with all our colonial past.
The fact is though, i wasnt around to influence those times.

Of course you weren't:hugesmile:, it's the more extreme and dis respectful posters that annoy me, I'm actually quite interested in learning more about the histories of different countries and enjoy your posts alot, you seem very knowledgeable on the subject.

BB_Eye 21-07-2010 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 3531987)
I've seldom read such tosh - Britain has a rich and magnificent history and has contributed greatly to the world in terms of literature, art, engineering, technology, exploration, science, medicine, invention etc etc.

Britain's achievements in engineering, technology, science and medicine are redundant for this argument as I already mentioned, Britain being traditionally empiricist, has excelled in the natural sciences (including business and economics), had you read my post properly instead of leaping for the nearest available platitude.

I am not downplaying Britain's cultural output when we speak about authors and playwrights such as Shakespeare, Marlowe, Chaucher, Milton, Blake, et al. It's just that Britain has been relatively bereft of contributions to painting, sculpture, architecture and music compared to its continental neighbours and it's not as if lack of wealth was ever an excuse. Britain has historically preferred to focus its resources on the military, empire and enterprise than on patronising the arts.

It really says something that the reputedly 'patriotic' political right, the very people who appoint themselves as Britain's cultural guardians regard British writers and intellectuals as an elitist literati and have historically been philistines and champions of censorship.

But then it is only part of a bigger picture. Our fragmented identity is deep rooted. The British Isles' medieval history consists of one occupation after another.

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We are such a fractured society that there is no national cohesion or common purpose any more, and I doubt we will ever again see the kind of unity and love of country that helped us stand alone for two years during WW2.

As a Brit, far from suffering from an inferiority complex, I am extremely proud of our heritage and contribution to the world, and grateful to the servicemen who died in order to keep this country safe from invasion and occupation.
Way to simplify/misrepresent my argument. Once again, I am not saying Britain was in short supply of scientists, engineers and military personell. Only that many of our more quaint traditions such as morris dancing, Last Night of the Proms and British food invite sneering and ridicule from other countries.

StGeorge 21-07-2010 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo (Post 3532159)
Of course you weren't:hugesmile:, it's the more extreme and dis respectful posters that annoy me, I'm actually quite interested in learning more about the histories of different countries and enjoy your posts alot, you seem very knowledgeable on the subject.

Thanks Niam. I think i've mentioned before, that it was the realisation of my own ignorance over the Falklands, that made me start to find out as much of the truth as possible before spouting off.

In your own country for example, its so easy for people from all sides to condemn each other, but i just think its a damn shame that the mistakes of partition and bigotted views have allowed the situation to go on for decades. And we call ourselves civilised. It's taken so long to just talk and even now there are still some that are trying to undermine peace..its so crazy.
I just hope your future family and beyond have better times without conflict.

I may agree with our present wars overseas to a certain degree, but i would just love to make all of our armed forces redundant due to no wars.
There are never any winners in War.

StGeorge 21-07-2010 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BB_Eye (Post 3532357)


Way to simplify/misrepresent my argument. Once again, I am not saying Britain was in short supply of scientists, engineers and military personell. Only that many of our more quaint traditions such as morris dancing, Last Night of the Proms and British food invite sneering and ridicule from other countries.

Maybe not everyone is ridiculing us as you say:
quote: In the context of classical music festivals, Jiří Bělohlávek has described The Proms as "the world's largest and most democratic musical festival"

The playing of predominantly British music on the Last Night is a celebration of Britain and ***** any Jonny Foreigner who wants to ridicule it.
Quote: This sequence traditionally begins with Edward Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1 (Land of Hope and Glory), and continues with Sir Henry Wood's Fantasia on British Sea Songs, which culminates in Thomas Arne’s Rule, Britannia!. The concert concludes with Hubert Parry's Jerusalem (a setting of a poem by William Blake), and the British national anthem.

I repeat..if people want to take the piss out of that then *****'em.

Quote: Morris Dancing is commonly thought of as a uniquely English activity, although there are around 150 morris sides (or teams) in the United States. British expatriates form a larger part of the morris tradition in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and Hong Kong. There are isolated groups in other countries, for example those in Utrecht, Netherlands, the Arctic Morris Group of Helsinki[1] and Stockholm[2], as well as in Cyprus and Alsace, France.
To be honest....i think MD sucks.

And lets take a close look at British food....the most popular food in Britain by all accounts is an Indian. :rolleyes:
But i would rather that or Bangers & Mash, to Sauerkraut(?) or Frogs Legs. :yuk:

Scarlett. 21-07-2010 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by oddballmisfitsFTW (Post 3530817)
if I had the money I would leave this sh**hole the very next morning

i'll give you few reasons

1. Pathetic justice system (eg a gang of youths beat someone to death and they get 12 years in a cushy prison)

2. Too much uncontrolled immigration. So, really this isn't a country anymore anyway, it's just a region of Europe.

3. Drinking culture. Every Friday, Saturday night streets of Britain get filled with drunken yobs and slappers.

4. High on target list for Islamic terrorism.

5. Economic crisis has left the country *******ed up. Banks have stolen the public's money and the people are too thick to realise and just accept what politicians tell them.

Sorry to tell you, but this list describes most of the western world countries

hotleggs 21-07-2010 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Alpertinator (Post 3530584)
Modern British culture pisses me off I'll say. There are many countries more beautiful in many ways that I would prefer to live in. I mean European countries like Italy, Spain, France and Germany have remained very respectable nations over the years and still have great culture. Italy is a magnificent country.

I don't like UK and I would love to get outta' here when I'm older.

dont let the door hit you on the way out , byeeeeeeeeee

BB_Eye 21-07-2010 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by StGeorge (Post 3532633)
Maybe not everyone is ridiculing us as you say:
quote: In the context of classical music festivals, Jiří Bělohlávek has described The Proms as "the world's largest and most democratic musical festival"

It's a great festival, but the Last Night seems like such a meaningless ritual.

Quote:

The playing of predominantly British music on the Last Night is a celebration of Britain and ***** any Jonny Foreigner who wants to ridicule it.
Quote: This sequence traditionally begins with Edward Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1 (Land of Hope and Glory), and continues with Sir Henry Wood's Fantasia on British Sea Songs, which culminates in Thomas Arne’s Rule, Britannia!. The concert concludes with Hubert Parry's Jerusalem (a setting of a poem by William Blake), and the British national anthem.

I repeat..if people want to take the piss out of that then *****'em.
To each their own

Quote:

Quote: Morris Dancing is commonly thought of as a uniquely English activity, although there are around 150 morris sides (or teams) in the United States. British expatriates form a larger part of the morris tradition in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and Hong Kong. There are isolated groups in other countries, for example those in Utrecht, Netherlands, the Arctic Morris Group of Helsinki[1] and Stockholm[2], as well as in Cyprus and Alsace, France.
To be honest....i think MD sucks.
That's interesting, but it also leads me to think it's a shame we get recognised as a British peculiarity if it's an international phenomenon. It makes us seem less unique. It definitely debunks a few myths though.

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And lets take a close look at British food....the most popular food in Britain by all accounts is an Indian. :rolleyes:
But i would rather that or Bangers & Mash, to Sauerkraut(?) or Frogs Legs. :yuk:
Well the Tikka Masala originated in Britain at least. Shame I can't stand the stuff... give me a Madras any day. Sneering aside, you can't go wrong with toad in the hole. :thumbs:

StGeorge 21-07-2010 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BB_Eye (Post 3532734)
It's a great festival, but the Last Night seems like such a meaningless ritual.



To each their own




True....Last Night doesnt float my boat much, but i'd rather sit through that than watch some poor terrified Bulls being slowly stabbed to death.

brian3 21-07-2010 04:16 PM

Britain is one of the more open minded parts in the world.

Eye_Spy 22-07-2010 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by StGeorge (Post 3532064)
Ah just seen this....so you are familiar with the historical event then?

So if as you say....we bombed certain Serbian military targets due to the Serbian refusal to abide by agreements made the previous year over Kosovo and to stop repression by military force of the Kosovo people, which had already caused thousands of casualties....how the hell can you say we bombed Kosovo???? And i take it millions were not killed here?

yes, we cluster bombed it, you do know what cluster bombing is dont you. Or are you under the disinformation brigade that cluster bombs can differentiate between military and civillians.

try getting your sources from independent orgs, instead of the government mouthpiece the BBC if you want to rescue your last shred of credability.

Eye_Spy 22-07-2010 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by StGeorge (Post 3531999)
Er....i think you need to get a grip.


.
And the Afghan invasion was perhaps due in main to a little event that happened in NY 09.11.2001.

100% behind both current wars.

OMG ignorance at its most heinious, what has afghanistan or iraq got to do with 9/11? the bombers we are led to believe were saudis werent they? it was amazing though that 12 of the 19 named hijackers turned up alive and well according to mainstream media, LOL, wonder how they managed that?

StGeorge 25-07-2010 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Eye_Spy (Post 3537445)
yes, we cluster bombed it, you do know what cluster bombing is dont you. Or are you under the disinformation brigade that cluster bombs can differentiate between military and civillians.

try getting your sources from independent orgs, instead of the government mouthpiece the BBC if you want to rescue your last shred of credability.

Oh dear....ive just realised..you really are an arsehole.

StGeorge 25-07-2010 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Eye_Spy (Post 3537463)
OMG ignorance at its most heinious, what has afghanistan or iraq got to do with 9/11? the bombers we are led to believe were saudis werent they? it was amazing though that 12 of the 19 named hijackers turned up alive and well according to mainstream media, LOL, wonder how they managed that?

wow you really are an uneducated twat.

BTW, i dont need to watch tv to get my info....my job involves security of utility infrastructure, and i have been educated in these matters by people who know more about international terrorism than you or i or the BBC....i'll take their views before i listen to a fool like you.
Thats my last word on this as you have absolutely no idea what your talking about.

iRyan 06-09-2010 03:22 AM

IDK about Britian but I think certain states here in America are the most prejudice places in the world.

States like West Virginia, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, etc are just full of ignorant hicks.


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