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I think part of the reason the UK is more politically correct and multicultural than the rest of Europe is because our indigenous culture and history is so dull. Britain was always better known for its innovations in the natural sciences than the arts, where the French, Germans, Dutch and Italians outclass us to the point of being embarrassing.
Part of the problem is that nationalism and patriotism as we understand it today originated in the 19th century... a time when folk art and nationalist music of Wagner, Chopin and Tchaikovsky was celebrated. Obviously Germans are not so proud of their country (despite their rich heritage) because of the Third Reich, but it is easy to understand why they had so much to be proud of before all of that. All that Britain represented in the 19th century was the chest-beating pomp of Lord Nelson, Queen Victoria and the British Empire. We even had to make up our own folk stories like the legend of King Arthur, because our medieval literary heritage was so barren. Britain suffered a similar predicament to many other anglophone countries. Its traditions lie in the valuing enterprise over creativity and pragmatism over idealism. As a result, Britain is culturally impoverished and doomed to forever suffer an inferiority complex towards its neighbours. |
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Where in any of your wiki quotes does it say we caused thousands of casualties in Kosovo by offensive air? In fact wasnt there praise of the 6 aircraft from 1(F) squadron operating out of Gioia del Colle because of the accuracy of the strikes against Serb military positions? Incidentally on the raids of the 24th, only one RAF dropped ordnance, the rest of the aircraft returned to Italy still fully loaded. That was to prevent hitting civvy targets by mistake. Different story on the 25th and subsequent raids. |
Can I ask why this is posted in a BB forum? Surely there are political forums in which you can discuss this, I dont think the Big brother tv programme can address your issues.
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I've seldom read such tosh - Britain has a rich and magnificent history and has contributed greatly to the world in terms of literature, art, engineering, technology, exploration, science, medicine, invention etc etc. We are such a fractured society that there is no national cohesion or common purpose any more, and I doubt we will ever again see the kind of unity and love of country that helped us stand alone for two years during WW2. As a Brit, far from suffering from an inferiority complex, I am extremely proud of our heritage and contribution to the world, and grateful to the servicemen who died in order to keep this country safe from invasion and occupation. |
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I would like to point out, to the less fortunate on here who seem to have missed out on an education, that Britain was invaded long before it started invading others. I refuse to apologise because my ancestors were better at kicking arse than others....I WASNT AROUND BACK THEN. And when the Italians, French, Germans, Scandinavians etc apologise for invading Britain....then a serious dialogue may be achieved. Until then i'll let their ancient conquests go as i can understand that it has nothing to do with the modern day incumbents of those countries. As for our modern invasions....correct me if im wrong, but Iraq was invaded by a UN backed force initially due to Iraq illegally invading a sovereign country, Kuwait. The subsequent invasion was after successive attempts to bring the Iraqi regime back to the rule of international law and not mass murder Kurds, Shiites etc. And the Afghan invasion was perhaps due in main to a little event that happened in NY 09.11.2001. 100% behind both current wars. |
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So if as you say....we bombed certain Serbian military targets due to the Serbian refusal to abide by agreements made the previous year over Kosovo and to stop repression by military force of the Kosovo people, which had already caused thousands of casualties....how the hell can you say we bombed Kosovo???? And i take it millions were not killed here? |
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Irish Guards. Queen's Royal Irish Hussars, Royal Irish Artillery, Royal Irish Lancers, Royal Irish Rangers, Connaught Rangers, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, Prince of Wales's Leinster Regiment, North Irish Horse, Royal Dublin Fusiliers Royal Irish Fusiliers, Royal Irish Regiment (1684-1922) Royal Ulster Rifles, Royal Munster Fusiliers, South Irish Horse. |
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Dont forget the Irish invasions of Wales and how the Irish took the Welsh as slaves. St Patrick himself Welsh was made a slave by the irish. Slavery is a part of most nations history, nothing to be proud of but nobody can use it as a stick to beat other nations with as it was universal practice for everyone at one time or another. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Patrick |
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"Let him who is without sin cast the first stone" and "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" |
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The English are treated like an unimportant underclass. We deserve an English Parliament to deal with English matters, just like the Welsh, N Irish and Scots. |
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The fact is though, i wasnt around to influence those times. |
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I am not downplaying Britain's cultural output when we speak about authors and playwrights such as Shakespeare, Marlowe, Chaucher, Milton, Blake, et al. It's just that Britain has been relatively bereft of contributions to painting, sculpture, architecture and music compared to its continental neighbours and it's not as if lack of wealth was ever an excuse. Britain has historically preferred to focus its resources on the military, empire and enterprise than on patronising the arts. It really says something that the reputedly 'patriotic' political right, the very people who appoint themselves as Britain's cultural guardians regard British writers and intellectuals as an elitist literati and have historically been philistines and champions of censorship. But then it is only part of a bigger picture. Our fragmented identity is deep rooted. The British Isles' medieval history consists of one occupation after another. Quote:
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In your own country for example, its so easy for people from all sides to condemn each other, but i just think its a damn shame that the mistakes of partition and bigotted views have allowed the situation to go on for decades. And we call ourselves civilised. It's taken so long to just talk and even now there are still some that are trying to undermine peace..its so crazy. I just hope your future family and beyond have better times without conflict. I may agree with our present wars overseas to a certain degree, but i would just love to make all of our armed forces redundant due to no wars. There are never any winners in War. |
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quote: In the context of classical music festivals, Jiří Bělohlávek has described The Proms as "the world's largest and most democratic musical festival" The playing of predominantly British music on the Last Night is a celebration of Britain and ***** any Jonny Foreigner who wants to ridicule it. Quote: This sequence traditionally begins with Edward Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1 (Land of Hope and Glory), and continues with Sir Henry Wood's Fantasia on British Sea Songs, which culminates in Thomas Arne’s Rule, Britannia!. The concert concludes with Hubert Parry's Jerusalem (a setting of a poem by William Blake), and the British national anthem. I repeat..if people want to take the piss out of that then *****'em. Quote: Morris Dancing is commonly thought of as a uniquely English activity, although there are around 150 morris sides (or teams) in the United States. British expatriates form a larger part of the morris tradition in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and Hong Kong. There are isolated groups in other countries, for example those in Utrecht, Netherlands, the Arctic Morris Group of Helsinki[1] and Stockholm[2], as well as in Cyprus and Alsace, France. To be honest....i think MD sucks. And lets take a close look at British food....the most popular food in Britain by all accounts is an Indian. :rolleyes: But i would rather that or Bangers & Mash, to Sauerkraut(?) or Frogs Legs. :yuk: |
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True....Last Night doesnt float my boat much, but i'd rather sit through that than watch some poor terrified Bulls being slowly stabbed to death. |
Britain is one of the more open minded parts in the world.
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try getting your sources from independent orgs, instead of the government mouthpiece the BBC if you want to rescue your last shred of credability. |
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BTW, i dont need to watch tv to get my info....my job involves security of utility infrastructure, and i have been educated in these matters by people who know more about international terrorism than you or i or the BBC....i'll take their views before i listen to a fool like you. Thats my last word on this as you have absolutely no idea what your talking about. |
IDK about Britian but I think certain states here in America are the most prejudice places in the world.
States like West Virginia, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, etc are just full of ignorant hicks. |
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