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15-10-2010 08:28 AM |
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Originally Posted by angus58
(Post 3845482)
You are a totally deluded labour apologist who will not accept that 13 years of mismanagement and incompetence has led us once again to a precipice from which the incoming government are left to try and pull us back. No doubt you also support strike action too that always affects the ordinary HARDWORKING folk in this country. Personally, I hope the government fight the selfish and greedy unions, since no one sector of the workforce in this country should be able to hold the rest of us to ransom. I have no time for avaricious union bosses encouraging (one would even say forcing) members to strike to cause the maximum disruption and upset for the rest of us, out of some selfish determination to preserve jobs and privileges for their own, with no thought as to who will pick up the tab. I have always loathed and detested trade unions and I can still remember the Callaghan government when the unions practically ruined this country. Let's hope this government take them on and defeat them.
And don't try and twist my words - both my sons are HARDWORKING and in FULL TIME EMPLOYMENT, one of whom supports a family of 4, and both are on a lot less than £30k. Neither of them were brought up to think the world OWES them a living. They contribute to society and pay their taxes so what the hell are you on about?
Furthermore, Labour HAS encouraged the workshy, feckless, scrounging layabouts we see all about us with their hordes of kids that other people pay for, so don't deny it. Cut their benefits and force them to take any job and CONTRIBUTE instead of sitting on their fat arses and expecting others to keep them. You seem to think the world owes everybody a living! Well it doesn't. These are hard times and people should be glad they've even got a job these days. It's about time that welfare benefits were reined in for all but the truly needy, not seen as a lifestyle choice for lazy gits.
It's pointless trying to debate with a dyed in the wool socialist who puts the blame everywhere but where it deserves to be, and what's more discriminates in favour of those working in the public sector as if they are somehow MORE important than the rest of us.
Oh, and what about all the above issues you mention that need addressing? Ask yourself why Labour, who had THIRTEEN long years in power, DID NOTHING, and in fact left us in a worse state, yet here you are still defending them and their appalling record. This present government's immediate concerns is to cut spending and most normal, sensible, reasonable people with even a basic grasp of economics and housekeeping know that it has to be done.
I can't be arsed to respond to any more of your posts - I've made my position clear, and we will never agree in a million years.
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Again, this is not about defending Labour, I am pointing out that they have pretty much continued where the Tories left off aside from a few things like the minimum wage, working time directive, modernising schools and hospitals...so any argument that their spending got us in this mess is a lie.
I am also not a socialist and I'll ignore most of the rant as I havent even mentioned most of it, except to say Im not a socialist, I believe in fairness, equal opportunities, workers rights (for ALL workers and within reason) I dont believe in striking without very good reason and with support of the majority of workers involved. I believe we should have decent public services to enable us to continue to be productive and contribute to society. If you disagree with that then yes we will never see eye to eye, oh well
Yeh benefit cheats are piss takers and we need to deal with them, theyre generally the uneducated and we should be intervening where kids arent going to school, perhaps withholding child benefit as part of that intervention. If children dont even get an education what hope have they got? We shouldnt be dealing with it by penalising ordinary hard working people. But the biggest piss takers are in those in the financial sector that got us in this mess who are taking billions of pounds a year in bonuses and stashing their money in offshore accounts, I know who I'm more angry with!
The scale of the cuts (EDIT: The ConDemns are planning (ok Arista)) is alarming and should be handled better and with real fairness END OF |
