Sooooooooo...silly wee disrespectful laddies who urinate on war memorials are jailed for 6 months, which they should be.

Yet muslim fanatics are allowed to burn giant poppy's on remembrance day as they shout British troop burn in hell while the cops look on.

PRETTY SCARY TO THINK WHAT BRITAIN'S GOING TO BE LIKE IN 15 YRS TIME.

Ah well

No further action there then, charges discretely dropped in a couple of weeks.

Just stop for a second.

First of all, you are grouping together a massive section of people. I don't think you are realizing it isn't all Muslims who feel this way. Go out to a Mosque and ask a Muslim there and I'm pretty damn sure they will condemn this lot who burnt the poppy too.

Secondly, like Christianity, there are several different denominations of Islam. You can't just say that because a governing body or Islam didn't come out and speak out against this, they are condoning what has happened. Its like if for example, the Church of England did something wrong and you're waiting for the Pope to apologise.

Thirdly, ignorance and disrespect is also a two way street which I'm afraid YOU are walking on. Why don't you take some time to research something before you label it all sorts of horrible names. :rolleyes:

I lol'd

This is the part that really irks be beyond belief. Our own Government allows protesters to act in this way the way the Poppy burners did....where the British are being targetted, the country in which has provided them with free medical care since birth, free (and high standard) education, and where needed, housing/benefits to live on should they be out of work etc. Never mind freedom of speech, freedom of movment etc.

What is worse however, is that some these people were actually born in Britain, raised here. The important part they seem to have missed altogether is that if it weren't for our troops, for our Government - they would not be allowed to publically protest, they would have no right to Free Speech, they would have no free high standard health care, no free education for 14/15 years.

If they dislike what our country is all about and wish to publically demonise - why do they stay? Because we are one of the pathetic countries so wrapped up in political correctness, who allow this type of thing to go unpunished, that nothing is done as long as it is not the 'white man' who is doing it.. If anything, if it were to be the opposite way around and the BNP (who btw I am against as much as these Muslim Extremists), you can be sure the police would be right in there with their tacky boots.

Extremists like these are not in the majority - they come in all shapes, sizes, creed, colour, background, religion regardless of country of birth. the very unfortunate part is that their actions impact on innocents who happen to share the same skin colour / race and or religion - that's the very sad part - so many others are viewed in the same way - and wrongly.

Oh I agree, totally with the 'When in Rome' (I lived in the M.E. for years, behaved the way the Laws of the Country dictated, and I loved it).

That's fine and well for those who have exiled themselves from their 'homeland', but some (a lot) of these Muslim Extremists were actaully born and bred in Britain. Never having set foot outside of the country that they protest about. That's what pissed me off.... these are people who's own homelands don't allow such freedom of act/speech without being chucked in a hell hole called a jail - ie: a jail that is as it shoudl be, a place that people do not want to ever have to be sent to - unlike namby pamby British jails.

Excellent comparision to show how precisely the cowardy and hypocritical people of our own Country have no consistentany when it comes to following the Laws of the Country.

Government pussies. That's all they are.

Try reading my post more carefully before accusing others of ignorance. I am fully aware that there are thousands upon thousands of peaceful lawabiding muslims in this country, but unfortunately, there are thousands upon thousands of ignoramuses who don't know that and will just lump ALL muslims together. Therefore it is incumbent on the law abiding muslims amongst us to take some responsibility for this misapprehension and distance themselves from extremists by condemning them publicly.

Secondly, don't even bother attempting to lecture me about christianiity - go patronise someone else who gives a damn about your ridiculous analogies.

Thirdly, ignorance and disrespect might well be a two way street, but until you see me doing anything remotely disrespectful against Islam I suggest you keep your ridiculous assumptions to yourself. You are the very sort of politically correct idiot who has allowed this kind of inflammatory behaviour to flourish in this country unchallenged. As to calling the muslim extremists "horrible names", I thought they were more than apposite in view of the nature of their offensive behaviour.

What sorts of names do you suggest are given to Muslim Extremists, who chose to remain living in the very country that they are protesting about, who have so little respect for the men and women who are out risking their lives so that people in Britain can have rights of freedom? That they act in such a manner, publically and in the most disrespectful manner to the people that they in fact, owe their right to even appearing in public in this way - far less their despicable actions?

What label would you suggest we give, to the people spotlighted in this story (I'm not speaking of Muslims, I'm speaking of the Extremists - and people such as these mentally deranged asswipes - which are apparent in all race/creed/religion/). shall we refer to them as 'poor misguided little wee souls'???

Puhhllllleaase. :sleep:

I am muslim. I have read a lot of the comments here, and frankly, I am not surprised by them. I am not surprised at some of the hate being shown. To me, I think its understandable. Its misguided, but its understandable, if you see it from the POV, of a non muslim. And I really believe, they should be arrested for such demonstrations. And prosecuted, like anybody who commits a hate act. But ask yourself, why is it allowed? I would go as far as to say that allowing it, is not doing muslims any favors. Even if its only a few people doing it, letting it happen, make it stick out like a sore thumb, in a period of remembrance for the dead. People have a hard time differenciating between muslims, and extremists for that reason. BEcause, all they hear, is muslims, and thats it. I dont know, what the law is on this, but why dont you arrest these people. I am even suspicious, that they dont just to make the hate for Islam in general, even that much stronger. Like I said, I dont know the law, and I dont get why these people are allowed to demonstrate, this level of disrespect, for a sovereign nation, which they belong to.

That was my first point, but secondly, these so called muslims, dont even now what they are talking about. Most of the time, they are just a bunch of Hooligans. Their labels are incorrect, they dont even know what their all religion really preaches. They are brandishing sayings like "we go to hell, and you go to heaven". ONly an idiot, who knows nothing about Islam would claim such a thing. Frst of all, you are not guaranteed a place in heaven as a muslim, in the islamic beliefs. Second of all, Islam, acknowledges all the biblical religions. As a muslim, I can marry in to christianity, or judaism, and she doesnt have to change her religion.

IN the Quran, Christians are often referred to as among the "People of the Book," i.e. people who have received and believed in previous revelation from God's prophets.

Here are a few mention of them : "Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

"...and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82).

"O you who believe! Be helpers of God -- as Jesus the son of Mary said to the Disciples, 'Who will be my helpers in (the work of) God?' Said the disciples, 'We are God's helpers!' Then a portion of the Children of Israel believed, and a portion disbelieved. But We gave power to those who believed, against their enemies, and they became the ones that prevailed" (61:14).

So this goes to show you, that these people, and most extremists, use Islam, as a platform for their own agenda. It is just who they are, they are beligerent people, who dont like peace, and what they do, have nothing whatsoever to do with Islam. Anyone can just say, in the name of whatever, I am gonna do this. It doesnt mean that its true, AND I believe people should be more educated about that.
I also believe, Islamic leaders have the responsibility to stand up and condemn these acts. They should ban them from their mosque, so they can go and have their own sect, and can easily be located.
In this instance, they did condemn it, I even heard it from the Imam sermon, where I went on Friday, but obviously, that didnt make the news.

Bottom line is, Islam gets a bad rap because of these Criminals, thats really all I can call them. What religion would endorse such acts. The war was a world war, and muslims fought in it. SO not nly are these people ignorant about their religion, they are also ignorant about history in the first place. ANd thats why it pains me, that they are given importance, and I see from people's posts, that they simply class them as "those muslims".

This is why, I am a little perplexed, of the fact that they gave them an escort, basically showing them acting like animals, while normal people reflected.
Thats why, they should just be arrested, not given any press (at least the BBC didnt, they had the right idea), and treated, like any people who try to disturbe a religious event. Again, I dont understand why they are allowed!


As for the people asking them to be deported, dont be ridiculous, you are being just as ignorant as they are. These people arent from another country. Their parents maybe originated from somewhere else, just like a lot of British nowadays. They arent going anywhere, they are British, no matter how you put it. They dont belong to another country. BUt they should be held accountable, and prosecuted. I just dont get it!

Dang!! I didnt realise my post was so big!

Which Tunisia is this? From a parallel universe? Tunsia, is not a prudish country, or a fundamental muslim country. You will stick out more if you did dress conservatively! Women there dress the exact same way, as people do in the UK, probably wear even less, because its not cold over there. A few wear Hijab and stuff, but they are the exceptions. MOst of them dont.
Another big misconception, there are only a few opredominantly muslim countries, where you see all women covered up from head to toe. Obviously, those are the ones people like to identify muslims with. This fable, proves it even more.

TBH, your post is fair. The thing that all people need to understand is that these people are EXTREMISTS. And extremists exist everywhere, in every colour, in every religon,in every creed ('White Christian man' included). You are correct when you say they should be punished - in the same manner in which the 'disrespectful twats who urintated on the War Memorial' were punished.

The unfair meting out (or not as the case) of punishment is as much of a problem as the Extremists.

In defence of the point being made by some about 'deporting'... I (in my view) think that comes more from the understandable reaction that if these type of Extremists loathe Britain and it's ways so much: they should be asked to leave British shores.

We have a government that don't have the guts to do this - so in the meantime, Extremists like this, will continue.

There is no need for you to be so bloody patronising.

Tunisia may be a very liberal country, however the fact remains that 98% of the 10million population of Tunisia follow the Islamic faith(Sunni) and to that end, Westerners will afford a high level of respect, for which you appear to be ridiculing somewhat in your post (as well as trying belitte another fm). You post here suggests that it would be more than acceptable to wander around Tunisian souks wearing a bikini top - when this is not the case.

I visited Tunisa about 15 years ago, and let me tell you right now, outside of the 'more Cosmopolitan areas', I can assure you, I felt as restricted there as I did when I lived in Saudi Arabia So please.... your own opinoin doesn't speak for the experience others may have had.

Its called freedom of speech/expression. People can voice their opinions regardless of how unsavoury it is until they break the law. One of the joys of living in a reasonable democracy, I suppose.

If the police decided to arrest in order to prevent trouble they would be accused of being oppresive, wouldnt they? Not only that but the human/civil rights brigade would soon have the lawyers on the case. Public Order, demonstrations etc are a no win situation for them in most cases. (Except for the overtime pay)

Doesnt that depend on the School of Islam you follow?


Very true but it doesnt carry the same interest for news editors and the like. One or two newspapers and news programs did convey moderate mainstream muslim community leaders condemning the demonstration and actions.

They are escorted for two reasons to reduce/deter any trouble rowdier elements within their members may wish to start. But also to protect them in the event people they do upset with their views decide to take the law into their own hands.

Its a bad idea when the state interferes with what the press can and cant show, it leads to a lot of criticism both here and abroad. It also undermines foreign policy etc.


Two of them were arrested and bailed. Whether any prosecution ensues will be down to the Police and the CPS.

It was a good post Wildcat, I particularly agreed with the last bit about the protestors being British; All over Facebook rcently I've seen people saying "why dont they go back where they came from" and "they should be deported" etc. when they were born here, raised here and are British citizens. We might hate what they were doing but they are still British whether people like it or not.

Just on the issue of why it was allowed to happen, the difficulty is that there is a very fine line between free speech and hate speech. Everyone should have a right to protest but it's quite hard to determine when that protest becomes a hate crime. It's never an easy decision to make, and it's not just been an issue with Islamic extremists, the same problem has existed with the EDL, BNP etc. I really dont think it was allowed just so Islamophobia would increase.

This.

[QUOTE=Shasown;3909658]Its called freedom of speech/expression. People can voice their opinions regardless of how unsavoury it is until they break the law. One of the joys of living in a reasonable democracy, I suppose

So now its called freedom of speech instead of incitement to violence and hatred, when they call for the killing of British troops? How low has this country sunk?

[QUOTE=angus58;3909826]I may be missing something here but where in the original article do they call for the killing of British Troops?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ning-hate.html

Their comments were unpalatable, offensive and given the time and place designed to create as much publicity and offense as possible, but going by the article in this case they werent inciting violence and hatred. Unless of course you know better.

Okay so I'm gonna go ahead and assume your a Christian (please correct me if I'm wrong). I'm Catholic, do you expect me to go and give the Pope or any of those child-molesting Priests a piece of my mind about what has been going on behind closed doors? I hope not, because its a ridiculous thing to expect.

I actually know plenty of Muslims to know that the majority of them are decent, hard working people like anyone else. I just can't stand it when people start having kittens because an extremely small group like this who claim to be Muslim go and do something extremely controversial. In fact the majority of Muslim's wouldn't even consider this lot Muslim for the simple fact their views do not match those upheld in the Qur'an. I think its extremely unfair for a minority of people to get the blame for something like this.

And don't you dare call me politically correct. Just because I think its derogatory for someone to call a person from Pakistan for example a 'pak!' doesn't make me politically correct. I only am this way because of the way my father and brother refer to Islam - I've grown up in a very politically incorrect family, hell my brother even votes BNP. I can't stand it when anybody dislikes a certain group of people because of their religion etc, and I've had plenty of arguments about this stuff before.

And by horrible names I meant you saying (or what it looked like to me what you were saying) is saying that they incite violence and hatred.

Also I do believe they should be punished. I'm just trying to defend something because the way people have been talking about this as of late makes me think people really are a lot more ignorant then I thought.

Lastly, no hard feelings right? :)

OK, I guess that was a little rude. But my point is, Tunisia, is a very liberal country. But to compare it to Saudi Arabia, is really not informed is it? I go to Tunisia often, maybe every year, with a few exceptions. MY brother lives there. Its restricted, in the form of sensure, and things like that, but culturally, its completely relaxed. And I am talking from experience, not just hearsay.

But again, if that was rude, I apologize. I ust know, its not a country you go into, and think, oh I better cover up!

Fair enough, I can see your other points!

But as for, is it a matter of school? No its not! When it comes to how we see Christians, or Jewish people, its all in the Quran. And faction of muslims, would obey by that! Christianity, and Judaism, are still ancestors, of Islam. ANd most of their teachings, are similar. The quran acknowledges that these other teachings, come from the same source. And for that, when it mentions non believers, it doesnt include Jewish and Christians.

First off, I didn't say you were not speaking from experience.

Secondly, I'd say I was far more informed that you. How many M.E. countries have you lived (not just visited - LIVED) to allow you to make sweeping generalisation? I am interested to know as it makes a very big difference to having an 'informed' opinion.

One minute you are giving it big licks saying Tunisia is very liberal, no need for women to cover up, and now since I pointed out that Tunisia is not quite as liberal all over - you now are saying "it's restricted, in the form of censure and things like that'. What pray tell, do you think the word 'censure' means and in what context precisely in respect to Tunisia?

It's very difficult to have a reasonable meaningful discussion with a person who changes their opinion or view every other post.

Oh right I stand corrected, and here was me thinking some Islamic schools look upon Christians and Jews as infidel.

Wouldnt it be fairer to say they believe in the same god as being worshipped by all three branches of Abraham but their's is the only true correct belief. Why do they not allow churches and synagogues in Mecca/Medina etc, well in Saudi in general? Why are christians and jews also prohibited from entering Mecca and Medina? After all if Islam views them as the same they would be allowed access to the harams wouldnt they?

I was in hammamet, which was obviously a tourist area. I was advised by the holiday reps that if venturing OUT of hammamet to dress appropriately. So I did.

I never said it was a muslim country either...and no, the women did not dress the same way as we do, infact, I didnt see many women outside of the actual tourist area :/

Muslims Against Crusades are planning to interrupt the ceremony at 11 tomorrow morning with an online protest. Still don't know what they plan to do.

4chan are trying to hack muslimsagainstcrusades.com right now and get the site shut down. They still haven't gotten there yet, but I hope it works. 12 hours to go. :joker:

someone should throw a bacon bun at them

Dont have a clue how they intend to do that :laugh:

From their website:

"In light of this, a special and unique online campaign has been organised to coincide with Remembrance Sunday 2010. At precisely 11am (GMT), muslimsagainstcrusades.com will fill the (second) annual two minutes silence, with an unrelenting condemnation of the British Armed Forces. Simply log on to www.muslimsagainstcrusades.com at 11am (GMT) and hear what we have to say about your government and in particular, your army."

I guess it will just be a video of them up on their homepage or something :/

Let a few idiots try ruin tomorrow. But the heroes will shine through.

This is the latest thread on /b/. Do NOT enter this site if you are easily offended.

http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/286961025

Sadly, the instructions for hacking MAC from previous threads are gone now. Worth keeping an eye on though.

The MAC site is down now actually so it could be working

Are those boards safe btw, my computer seems to think they're not?

I've never had any problems on it. I also use Norton on my browser and it's listed as a safe site.

maybe they could go and live in Afganistan????

Oh yeah I forgot.. they prefer living here!! duh!!

So what did MAC end up doing this morning? Anyone know?

I looked on their site just after the minutes silence and they had a pic of a small kid saying "British soldiers kill one Muslim child every 6 hours" then just loads of pictures of injured/dying children, a vid showing soldiers beating up someone and a load of ranting about the Army

I'm not sure if anything else was actually happening during the minutes silence. It's all still on their site now if you want a look

I hate the poppy-burning gob****es. How dare they try to ruin an act of remembrance? Some of my family - some who are still living - were liberated, barely alive, from a concentration camp by the British at the end of the war... a war where millions of people died fighting the tyrany of the nazi regime. I heard on the TV yesterday that there is only one year since the end of World War 2 where a British soldier has not died as a result of a conflict. So I'd just like to say...

They grow not old as we who are left grow old
Age shall not weary them nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun, and in the morning,
We Will Remember Them.

Wow, they really set the world alight there. Rememberance Sunday is ruined for me now. :joker:

Ummm Hitler was a facist who wanted to control and censure political thought. He was an enemy of democracy. Those who died in WW2 died fighting against totalitarianism and political oppression.
The irony that you now want to shut up political protesters who are against the war with the memories of those who passed away in WW2 is frighting. As is the idea that you and the rest of you would like to censor and even deport people with political views that don't follow the government line... sound familiar? It would if you knew your German history.

Because the UK isn't a fascist dictatorship people are allowed protest against a whole bunch of things.... funnily enough that includes wars... lol. This was what people in WW2 fought for.
Other parties in ( German) history have had the idea you guys have of expelling those with political beliefs that don't sit well with the current government.
The irony of this thread was only "funny" at first. Then it became monumental when the above poster used the memory of those who were persecuted in WW2. Please join the ******ing dots people.

Livia didnt actually say anything about shutting them up or deporting them, you could have used a lot more posts in this thread to highlight your point.

Did you even read what they were protesting about? It wasnt the war, if they wanted to protest against merely the war then I'm sure noone would have a problem with that, after all they've been doing that on Parliamentary square for 9 years until they were removed in June.

Chanting "British soldiers burn in hell", and burning poppys is not "not following the government line" or being "against the war", it is spitting on the grave of every single man and woman who has ever died in warfare, be that WWI, WWII or in Korea, the Falklands, Northern Ireland, and then Iraq and Afghanistan. That is what remembrance day is about after all. It isnt about whether a war is right or wrong, it's about respecting the fact that people sacrficied themselves and laid down there lives for us.

I'm not big into patriotism, I disagree with the concept, nor do I lambast anyone for not wearing a poppy, I only wear mine one day a year, but to express disgust at this protest is to be human, and to actually have a shred of respect and decency in your body.

I actually agree with everyone having a right to protest, providing it doesnt cross the fine line between free speech and hate speech but large parts of your post were just ridiculous, and you are obviously ignorant both of what they were "protesting" against if you think it was the war, and what remembrance sunday is about