Some questions ...

Should childless couples within a marriage that can't conceive also not have sex for love and for pleasure?

Should couples not use sensible birth control to prevent them from having more children than they can afford or manage or want?

Should a person that is attracted to the same sex stay celebate or take some kind of aversion therapy? Live alone and never enjoy a personal sexual relationship with the person of his or her choice?

no

it's your opinion sex should be taught to children

my opinion is sex should not be taught to children

my opinion is teach reproduction in science but not sex

sex education should be left to each family to discuss whenever they deem it appropriate, same as religion

its differing opinions

there is no HAVE to or HAS to anything

:hugesmile:

How is homosexuality hurtful or evil?

Don't tell me ElProximo is one of those very arrogant people who believes any gay he comes into contact with is going to come onto him.
Gay men don't fancy every man they see. Just as straight men don't fancy every woman they see. You need to get over the phobia.

you can't force people to be homo friendly

people have a right to disapprove of sexual lifestyles

if some girl likes to **** around and be a slut, people are entitled to disapprove but have no right to start being violent or a bully against them

if some guy likes to **** trannies, people are entitled to disappove but have no right to start being violent or a bully against them

if some guy likes to suck another guy's cock, people are entitled to disapprove but have no right to start being violent or a bully against them

if i would like to **** them all together wearing underpants on my head, people are entitled to disapprove but have no right to start being violent or a bully against me (not that i would care as it would turn it up a notch)

do you see?

Nothing about that tells you I have some irrational fear of homosexuals.

If I was still 15 years old I would right suppose nearly every homosexual would come onto me.
But I'm older now and yes I am well aware that while homosexuals, in general, have an extremely high rate of 'multiple partners' - I know it depends on what fetish they are into.
'Daddies' or 'Twinks' or whatever specific role-playing fetish they are perved into.

Oh listen to yourself will you? How dare you stereotype every homosexual man into the same category? Yes in the past I have had many sexual partners but it's called being young and what a lot of heterosexual men also do. As for the perversions, not all of us are into 'sick and twisted' things as you seem to think. You also forget that heterosexual people are just as prone to different and unusual fetishes.

I wish you would give the absolute repulsion towards homosexuality a rest. Fair enough you do not like it, but do you have to be so goddamn offensive about it?

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

'Daddies' or 'Twinks'? My, my those a very gay words for a heterosexual ... Hmmm.

And, by the way, homophobia isn't just a fear of homosexuals but the hated of them.

I've actually just read through the whole thread, why isn't El Proximo permabanned yet :conf2:

You know (and not only because I wrote the word) but you know we were discussing homosexuals in general.

Follow me and we will see you do that same thing...

Right but we were having a discussion about the overall general rules. I'm sure some women have had 7 different men in the last 6 months however that is an exception.
It would be a 'rule' if you were getting an average on homosexuals.

One recent study is mind boggling in that the subjects are defined as YOUNG gays:
That is a mind-boggling statistic and it might suggest that 'people who happen to love each other' is unlikely (or love at first sight happens a lot with gays?)

Sure but here again if a general observation is made you think its easily 'canceled out' by simply pointing at the exceptions.

In this case I agree with a poster that not all gay men are attracted to any other man.
But there is not a 'parallel' to regular couples either. Generally, there is just attractiveness with them. 'Fitness'.
However,
The homosexual people seem to have some very distinct categories based on 'role-playing' presentations and maybe a lot less on attractive features or even fitness.
A 'Daddy' type would NOT be attracted to me because his sexual infatuation will be with finding 'Twinks' or vice-versa etc.

but having said that - a caretaker at a certain public park once suggested there is very very little discrimination among gays and yes actually they will have sex with nearly any other man.
He based this on the dynamic activity taking place in his public toilets at night and includes a hole crudely chiseled into the wood dividers, the used condoms, blood, feces and needles he gets to clean up on monday morning.

This wouldn't 'cancel out' what you seem to be admitting here.

It doesn't repulse me. I think my description (and a homosexual could easily write the same things) but i think my description repulsed you based on something inherent to you.
After all, if this is completely normal, moral and loving then you shouldn't be so afraid of this?

Truth is - I don't really care that much about homosexuals themselves. They are a very small portion of the population,
but,
yes I do get very easily annoyed with 'bull****' and ignorance and people playing censor society games and especially demanding others play along.
Look:
Its not a mystery. For thousands of years around the planet homosexuality is considered a bizarre sex perversion,
or,
at best often something very strange and unpleasant.
Ok.
Now in this one aberrant time of wealth and freedom its being slightly tolerate by a minority of people.
OKay.
Fair enough.
But KNOCK IT OFF trying to pretend like we are all so stupid we put a tongue in the cheek and a 'who me?' smirk and demand to pretend its so obviously no different or remarkable,
or,
pretend that its not still true that a HUGE portion of our society doesn't still think its a grotesque sex perversion or at least strange and uncomfortable.

Its the 'playing games' crap that really annoys me. In a real sense the actual homosexual issue is neither here nor there.
I'd be annoyed if we were pretending everyone knows bestiality is 'perfectly accepted' or drinking turpentine or wearing melons as hats.

millions out of 300+ million ain't very much. Infact it's a very small minority. that's why i compared it to the EDL and the BNP.

very relevant socratic questions. well done.

I know this'll end up with me receiving an infraction, but how ElProximo is allowed to parade around the forum and spout **** like that without getting banned is beyond me. :bored:

if you get an infraction for that, then at least 5 or 6 of us should also be getting infractions. elproximo is clearly a bigot, but i don't think it's against the rules to say so. It's just the truth. I doubt the mods will want to defend someone like him/her.

^

and it amazes me someone actually asks that. What i'd suggest is you find a way to discuss thing,
or,
do something called 'not read' a post.

Would you ever consider joining Westboro Baptist Church ElProximo? Or do you see yourself as a David Koresh type?

Good question. I was wondering if you are considering joining the Nazi Party or are you more the lone serial killer type?

Lone serial killer type :)

You?

I'm disappointed in you ElProximo, I'm not sure weather you're winding people up on purpose.

You seem to be intelligent, but the words you choose are very hurtful. I think a HUGE portion of our society would find a lot of your comments grotesque.

Also homosexuality is part of normal life. There is nothing wrong or immoral about it.

Live and let live.

A totally appropriate post GypsyGoth,very reasoned, as you say live and let live.

Right and a lot of people find your opinion (seen below) disgusting and offensive to their senses.
They find your kind of opinion 'hurtful' to society.

But that is something of my point here and notice how I am aware a % of people do actually hold your opinion?
You don't see me responding completely BAFFLED and saying "HUH WHAT?? HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN AND OBVIOUSLY THAT IS CORRECT ONLY SO YOU ARE DISMISSED!

No of course not. Almost nobody will ever indulge in homosexual sex. Maybe 3% of the population might make that a 'normal' part of their life.
Most will never have sex of any kind with anyone of their same gender.

Says who? You?
By what standard?
Okay then you should not have hurt my feelings and disagreed with me. You see.. if you would just let us alone?
Yet you are the one attacking me and my people and making insults and why not just let us live?

Because we don't go out of our way to show our hate, whereas you do.

LOL. You are so naive. you need to get out more.

The rules clearly state homophobia is not tolerated, yet he gets away with making really homophobic posts, like the ones in this thread, half the time? Its ridiculous. :bored:

I get out plenty. For a few years I lived in a part of a city especially known for its high concentration of homosexual men. Not only this. I might be one of the few straight dudes who has been welcomed into their 'inner circles' now and then.
In fact, it was once my job to find out just how many homosexuals there were in town. So my boss could market to them. (or try and find out how).
At that time we were (quite serious now) actually inventing ways to identify just how many homosexuals there were.
At that time there had not yet been any good studies and surveys.
We came up with a few simple ideas (and also some complicated ones) but it actually came to:
- subscription rates for homosexual magazines.
- number of homosexual nightclubs.
- stores selling gay gear, costumes, porn etc.
- police stats on things like prostitution, sex in public charges etc.
Keep in mind, we were aware of reasons why some of these stats these might not tell us everything.
for example - number of homosexual profiles on a dating site could be higher for the very reason there are less of them and therefore needing to use and post more adverts seeking each other.
or,
we might be looking at the same '10 gay escorts' racking up repeat offenses but less so repeating names in the 'heterosexual escort' stats.

Anyways,
We were not exactly social scientists but simply trying to find out some close guesstimate so the boss could aim sales. Really just find out if it was even worth it.
We guesstimated around 1% of the population could be identified as actively 'openly' lifestyle gay.
We guesstimated it might be double that number of what we described as the so-called in-the-closet private affair types.

We didn't count people who may had some 'experiment back in Uni' they long since dismissed or people who touched wieners with a kid back in adventure camp weekend.
OK.
One of the best and most thorough scientific studies on the subject did come out just after we spend 100 hours heh.
And guess what it estimated?
1 to 3 percent.
In fact, we were pretty much bang-on even in the rough categories we imagined.
The studies put it somewhere at around 1% openly, actively dedicated ongoing homosexuals.
The other 2%?
This included that 'closeted' kind of group who you can say are continuous to some degree even if secretly to anyone who considered (by their own standard) a 'homosexual experience' even if this was simply 'seeing a homosexual movie' or 'touched penis' with a kid in school etc.

So if you want me to educate you on the subject or tell you more about various social and cultural difference around the world,
or,
share a lot of information i have directly from active 'out' homosexuals?
Feel free to ask.
I will be happy to help you learn more about it.

I respect you are entitled to your views ElProximo,I don't agree with much you say on this subject but you do seem to be obsessed with pointing out only the negatives of homosexuality, there are likely as many negatives to heterosexuality too.

I have gay and straight friends, both at Uni and personally in my home area too, male and female. I see and hear nothing of the way you paint them to be as a generalisation at all.

I have no respect at all for elproximo's views, in fact I find them offensive and ignorant and bigoted.

I find him to be a hateful little man that has no respect for human beings, and has no understanding of love as a universal concept.

I find him to be repugnant and vile and whatever it is that snails leave behind them,, that slime they ooze, I'm sure he's made of something similar to that.

All of the hate he spews I hope translates into misery in his own life. I wish nothing but the worst for him.


That's my opinion.

what is the "great white north"? Canada?

It's just frightening that someone can build a group out of one particular personality trait and assign them this huge array of statistics and generalisations that are supposedly dangerous. "Oh they get around a lot", so what? At least someone is. "Oh it's not natural, they're a minority" - you're talking to people hundreds of miles away, don't harp on about what's 'natural' thanks.

It's just absurd. Not a single thing about gay marriage has an impact on you. Not one thing affects your life. Why try to sabotage their happiness?

str8 white christian men are beginning to realize that they are a small minority, and they are scared.


The era of str8 white men Apartheid is comming to an end, and they don't like it.


Str8 white men are a minority, and it's about time they started being treated like a minority.

I didn't actually say I respected ElProximo's views on this,I said I respected he was entitled to his own views,even though they are wrong.

This thread is getting a little out of hand

i concur, you should close it.

Can I just add what I've said before about statistics. Usually statistics are very useful, even accurate. However in the case of sexuality they might be misleading (for obvious reasons). So I don't buy this 2/3% thing.

By the way, before this thread is locked, thank you lostalex for the nice reply - even if I did have to look up "socratic".

no worries. <3

(Socratic Method: a form of inquiry and debate between individuals with opposing viewpoints based on asking and answering questions to stimulate critical thinking and to illuminate ideas.)

General relationship studies should cover all aspects of human choices with no enphases on either one type of relationship or another......

It would be far better if children were to taught that only dumb assess take drugs. Taught not to walk like Charly Chaplin with feet sprawled apart and taught not to slouch like little old men and women and dress in trousers of which the seat of their pants reaches their ankles as if they had just messed themselves......

They should be taught not to swear like troopers and think they can do as adults do like drinking and indulging in sexual activities

Time children were taught some style and make themselves a little more employable when they leave education.

All of the above would reduce the likelyhood of youngsters being part of the long term unemployed due to slovenly appearances and bad attitudes

ElProximo continues to break the rules. Time to get banned.

Of course not. Maybe further down the line, but not as young children.

Does that go for heterosexuality as well?