Which is your view on the incident and it's subsequent affect on hms and viewers.

What the above doesn't quite answer is the question that several people have asked: ie: How many meanings can the question, "Is the Jay ****ting in the freezer true", have. You said it could mean anything - I think that's the part that myself and other posters have asked you: what more could such a question actually mean to you.

Unless of course: they've been told that any discussions on the matter - at all - must not be referred to - with the threat of being removed from the house if they don't play ball.

It's highly plausible.

Plus it was a dare, so who ever initiated the dare would not be disgusted by it, showing they are just as bad really.

It would be interesting if anyone on twitter or facebook could ask the ex housemates on there why they weren't too disgusted by it, and who in the house was disgusted by it, who dared Jay to do it? and also why Jay wasn't nommed for stuff in there? I will be very interested in the replies, as I want to know if some tried to nom Jay but were told their reasons were not good enough, as I think it was Rebeccah who tried to nom him.

.....I couldn't say tbh....I don't know for sure whether 'incidents' have been confirmed by them to the press or not..before they've been able to 'see' a lot more for themselves

Here we have a grown man of 27 years of age who talks in derogatory terms about women as if he were a teenager; has boasted of sixsomes; has boasted of fisting; has boasted about putting his face into a woman's vagina and letting the juices dry till they crack on his face; who farts indiscriminately with no decorum at all; who is spiteful, malicious and aggressive and threatened to beat Harry up in the diary room; and yet people are questioning whether this animal is capable of defecating in the freezer??? Never mind the confirmation of at least 3 housemates and a "no comment" from another.

No wonder Aaron is disgusted and repelled by this vile thug and he is entitled to be. Why the hell should he pretend to be friendly with him? If Jay doesn't like the silent treatment from Aaron, that's his problem - he knows where the door is.

I thought that they might be able to just quote Heaven on BOTS though or say something like "Twitter/Facebook/etc. is awash with rumours about..." without actually claiming it was true but maybe not, I'm not really too sure how that sort of stuff works

This just proves to me that Jay is BB favourite this year & there wanting him to win, just cant believe they didn't remove him from the house.:devil:

LOL Suze....was it a cover up...with loo roll......:suspect:

Nothing really to add here that hasnt been said, except that the way C5/ Endemol have handled this shows a real contempt for their fanbase imo.

The edits, lies, and general cover up has been so heavy handed and served no purpose but to undermine what fraction of trust I had remaining in them.

I can 100% say that with no LF to keep them semi honest I won't be watching next year (if there is a series next year ofc)



They need to apologise to their fans, the people that make it possible for them to get paid, and remove Jay now.

What a revolting mess...

And this guy has fans how?

.....and yet he seems to be popular with a lot of them.....what gives?

....Yes, they could have said 'Heaven claims.....', I would have thought, it's very puzzling..and surely better for BB to clear it up...well I know they did and changed the freezer...you know what I mean....*digging a hole*

Well said Angus.

And to reiterate Black Dagger's comments: how anyone can actually be a fan of this guy for any of the above reasons: completely baffles me.

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Not sure there's any need to discuss fans here

Its easy to edit it out...(again the LF thing)

Any convo that mentioned it just wouldnt be shown. Some housemaes have been a bit off with him too for a while...and the rest probably just put it down to him being disgusting in general. I would imagine a kick off about it when it happened and then just bitching between groups afterwards, again easy to edit out.



Seperately for people saying it might have been a prank...BB would have DELIGHTED int showing us a prank like that. Especially given that it involved Jay. If it had been a prank, it would have been shown...theres no doubt in my mind about that.

whats gets me is you have some prat of a presenter who probably only see what we see telling someone who was actually there that is just alledgely that jay **** in the freezer.it obviously bothered the other housemates or they wouldnt comment on it as soon as they come out the house.I didnt know he had peed on mark in the shower no wonder he left and why arron wont talk or go anywhere beside him.he was probably bookies favourite to win it at first that will be why bb protecting him so bookies dont lose loads of money

maybe harry bought 500 bananas for jay as they are known to bung you up when eating to many and if that didnt work on they could have bunged him up manually with them

Absolutely the post of this thread, well said Angus.

But still Heaven went on about how great Jay was and at that point she had no reason to believe anything had been edited out and seemed to think we'd all seen Jay doing it. And Maisy too has said she liked him I believe in one of her other tweets. You might be able to edit out any mention of the actual incident but it would be a lot harder to edit out any disgust or change in attitude to Jay that you think would have arisen over this. He still seems popular in there and he still barely receives any nominations, and even if we say they weren't allowed to nominate him over it I'm sure it would have been acceptable for them to do so just over his general crudeness which we have seen a lot of in the HL shows

yeah but the truth of the matter is we dont know when it happend it was when rebeckah was still in the house so a while ago can any of us say for certain that on any single night we remember any tension between jay and other housemates and if there had of been it would have been edited out

I dont get this bit. Heaven would say Jay was great if she liked him regardless of if she knew it was edited out or not, surely :conf: She lived with him.

The nominations thing, doesnt hold much weight with me at all. As thats easily manipulated too. They might have tried to nom him for it and be told its not valid. (Not basing this on rebeckahs claims that this happened with the fisting thing though)

IMO people are just used to him having very vile moments. Thats why it didnt change too many peoples opinions on him...along with heaven saying it was a 'prank'. I also think they are a little scared of him anyway. The BB house is different to outside, they kinda have to just get on with it.


The main thing thats standing out to me though, is c5 not denying it. Its not for the media attention (all publicity is good publicity etc.) because the papers dont give a crap about BB anymore. And surely if it didnt happen, they would say so, as allowing people to think it did is tarnishing jays reputation...the fact that he is gross to start with is irrelevant, something as big as this will send peoples opinions on him through the floor. I noticed the 'hate' for Jay pick up a lot quicker after the freezer thing came to light. If its untrue, its unfair of them to allow people to think it IS true. If it was not true, Im nearly 100% sure that the interviewer who was speaking to heaven would have reacted in SHOCK...as would anyone who heard such a random thing, rather than just say allegedly. Do you not think thats quite odd? Say it didnt happen, and that mole dude knew nothing about it...and someone just randomly says that someone **** in the freezer, would the natural reaction not be WTF? The excuse they gave for his 'allegedly' comments was weak too...they said allegedly because Jay wasnt there to defend himself? Against what?

What's a bit sinister is there Twitter feed is sporadic, but whenever anyone mentions anything to do with Jay and the freezer it's buried by about 3 BBUKLive/ BB related official tweets.

I am not discussing fans at all.

I am saying that it baffles me how anyone can be a fan. That's an opinion MTVN - that is not me discussing fans, it is me stating I am baffled as to how anyone can BE a fan, due to what has previously been discussed.

I would appreciate if you would stop trying to find fault in what I have said, or more pointedly, indeed twist what I have said, for nothing more than what appears to be a petty reason to have a dig at me. Thank you.

Exactly, and his lack of real punishment for the White Chicks comments and his army of apologists on BBOTs. That incident took up about 5 mins of the show, whilst the rest of the show was dedicated to his Burger and Sausage task with Anton (since when has a task taken a whole show??)

I found it disgusting that he reacted to Harry's banana prank when he's pooed in a freezer.

He even rule broke today with message to Louise and has got away with it. He has openly discussed nominations with Aden so the producers have allowed the housemates to discuss nominations to prevent any flack.

If Jay murdered Aaron they would probably edit it out of the show and pretend Aaron choked on Alex's first ever boiled egg (the 'incident' would probably only make it on to the Channel 5 website - any not as a video clip, just a story)Jay would be given a task in which he wins beers for the house.

My point with Heaven is that she clearly wasn't really appalled by it, the whole thing just seemed to her to have been a bit irritating. That's what I find strange, that none of the housemates seem to consider it something that would change their opinion or make them think any less of him, you were saying that it might have done and it would have been edited out but then Heaven had no knowledge of any editing by BB at that stage. Not sure if that makes sense :p

Yeah it's true they might have said that nominating him specifically for "****ting in a freezer" wasn't valid but I'm sure that if a housemate did just try and nominate him for being generally disgusting then they wouldn't have said it was invalid. We've seen enough crude stuff that Jay's done for the public to think no more about it if someone did nominate him for that, his w**king contest with Mark for example, and shaving his arse

To be honest if it did happen I'd say it's likely to have been a dare during a drunken night or something like that. I'm not saying that Jay didn't do it but that the whole thing is a bit strange and what you said about C5 not denying it just makes it even more weird. And yeah the interviewer did about the worst thing he could have done by just repeating "allegedly" over and over again/ There is a lot we don't know about this story and I don't think we will know what really happened until Jay's out the house

Someone's reasons for being a fan of Jay's aren't really relevant to the discussion

BIB Have you given any consideration to the distinct possibility that not only may have such reference to this incident have been edited out: but that the hms have been given strict instructions NOT to make mention of it at all and to continue as though it never happened?

Maybe he was planning on eating it, what is the protein content of a Jay McCray frozen nutbar?

I didn't ask for people's reasons for being fans. I stated that it baffled ME - and that IS part of this discussion. It's MY part of the discussion.

It seems you are being antagonistic, trying to be doing it subtly but it's very clear what you are attempting to do.

I will ask you one more time MTVN - stop twisting what I have said - it's very close to what I consider baiting.

And in that case then why would Heaven have blurted it out on BOTS and then looked so shocked when the presenter kept saying "allegedly" and go "come you guys saw that" - that is the point I'm making

Ok lets drop this now, I apologise if you thought I was being antagonistic, I did not intend it to be so

I wonder will we ever get a complete story on this. I just want to know if it was a dare or not

It would mean the difference of only 1 point on the puke-o-meter but still.

Still not getting what you mean about the heaven didnt know about the editing part D:

I do get what you are saying about people not thinking less of him for it though...but while it seems strange to me, I dont know what its like being in there. Before the freezer thing, jay had already showed his gross side, and that had been accepted by most of the housemates, maybe they dont find ****ting in the freezer as big a deal as us out here do...as weird as that is to say. If it was a dare, then it makes it more likely to have been accepted by everyone, than if he just randomly squatted over a drawer D:

As I said, maybe they just dont find his actions as disgusting as most on the outside do. Either due to just being used to him, or the odd environment they are in :p

Personally, I would have nominated both Jay AND Mark that week, as they ejaculated into coffee mugs(victor asked his mate who actually views the feeds. Threads on DS somewhere:p) but noone else found that gross enough to nominate them...so ****ting in the freezer obviously isnt as big a deal to them inside as it is to people watching D:

Im thinking it will all be released after the show has ended. Either on a BB uncut video or something, or by them being forced to do so by the complaints they get about it...as Im damn sure ofcom have got complaints about it even though it wasnt shown, as BB have a duty of care to the housemates. I dont know if it IS an ofcom matter or not though, or if they are just there to regulate what we do see.

Either way, I daresay the truth will come out in the end. No doubt after BB get their desired result of Jay winning :)

The thing is its lose/lose for them now; If they remove him people will say that they should have done it 2 weeks ago, if they dont people will be disgusted they didnt! VERY sticky situation esp if Jay does win

...........Hahahahahaha

My god Channel 5 are fixing the whole show :bored:

What? :shocked:

Because I very much presume that she thought the viewers may have SEEN what she was speaking of. She wouldn't have first hand knowledge at that point - so whether they were told whilst being a housemate, they could not refer to it, she may have been under the impression that the viewers were aware.


I am more than happy to move on, and trust that going forward, that you will reply to what I actually say and not twist things: so to that end, I am more than happy to accept your apology and I do so with thanks. :)

I'm trying to say that, in Heaven's case at least, they won't have told her not to mention it and she won't have known that it had been edited out and yet she still didn't consider it a big enough deal for her to stop thinking he was a "lovely" guy. So with her she genuinely wasn't that disgusted by it; it wasn't so much a case of producers making sure that her disgust wasn't seen, even as she was saying it she was laughing about it

Yeah I guess you could say they just don't consider it as big a deal as people on here but then that in itself would be pretty strange and it makes me think there's more to it than just him deciding it would be a good idea one day

But I don't see what's so different about those 10 people in there that it's not considered as appalling as it is on here and on DS, and that's why I think there probably are extenuating circumstances, what those could be I don't know. And Lmao I never knew that about the coffee mugs :joker:

Yeah I guess so, the fact that there's so little attention placed on this outside BB forums is one of the other things I find odd, even if not a major news paper reported I'd have thought there might be one trashy news site out there that might carry the story or maybe one of the BB sites but apparently not, doing a googling search this is all that comes up

I also never thought I'd write such a long post about a guy taking a dump in a feeezer :p

Exactly.And Jay would have had this following him around forever.Would have been seen as another nail in the coffin of "Broken Britian."

Also I'm wondering if Mark saying "no comment" was more that maybe he had something to do with it, if I had to think of someone who would dare him to do it he'd be one of the more likely. Maisy and Rebeckah didn't have any qualms about saying it was true after all

Tee hee....... so you're going with the general consensus of opinion that he did take a dump in a freezer.

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