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fruit_cake 17-10-2011 07:23 AM

He is an unusual type but I don't think there is anything wrong with not having sex for seven years.

LivT 17-10-2011 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Bojangles (Post 4659916)
You could be right.The gay thing is what Tom saw in him originally.

That was just wishful thinking on Tom's part :rolleyes:

There are plenty of people who go through a period of celebacy for various personal reasons. It is a lifestyle choice ..it doesn't mean you have mental issues ..nor does it mean you are a closet gay. Its not improbable, just highly unlikely that Aarons so called issues are due to sexuality hang-ups. It was fairly clear that he was badly affected by his ex-wifes disability, the cause of which is unknown to us. I would also be interested to hear what the so called mental health professionals on here have to add further....as, with all due respect, stating that someone is a closetted gay , simply based on his uptightness...is rather text book.

Kazanne 17-10-2011 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bojangles (Post 4659812)
Aaron has a serious mental problem.I think he is what they call a woman hater.
He leads them on only to demean them.

:joker::joker::joker::joker:What a great start to the day,a good laugh

Angus 17-10-2011 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 4659825)
I think he has mental problems, yes. I'm in a position to comment on that, as mental health is my profession.

No doubt you have a qualification in psychology? I do, and I am also a member of BPS and have been since 1992. I have also worked at Maudsley Hospital in London and for the Croydon Mental Health Team. I have not seen any "mental problems" being exhibited by Aaron, although I have definitely seen signs of such in other HMs, but it is not an accusation I would ever seriously throw at anyone without proper investigation and possession of ALL the facts.

Cherie 17-10-2011 07:54 AM

Perhaps Aaron is on a wind up, and is not joining in the "I banged 49 wimmin in the last 48 hours" tales like the Wolfpack, perhaps he feels it is his own personal business when he last had sex. I doubt its been 7 years though...Maisy and Faye in less than a week...LMFAO

Angus 17-10-2011 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CherieB (Post 4660056)
Perhaps Aaron is on a wind up, and is not joining in the "I banged 49 wimmin in the last 48 hours" tales like the Wolfpack, perhaps he feels it is his own personal business when he last had sex. I doubt its been 7 years though...Maisy and Faye in less than a week...LMFAO

I agree. This is what I think, but you'll never convince those determined to find any fault with him:bored:

Irrespective of whether it is true or not, it's extremely ignorant and offensive to label someone mentally ill because they do not conform to one's own subjective norms.

You know what they say - "walk a mile in my shoes before you judge me".

psychtracker 17-10-2011 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4660028)
Equally, it's interesting that the NON psychologists on here are debating on a highly specialised subject, in which they have neither trained in or practised. Some may have experience, either personally or with family members/friends -but the non psychologists on here are as similarly assured that he does not have mental health 'problems' (to use your own word)

For all we know, he, some or all, of the housemates could have underlying MH issues or not, be on medications for that matter or not.

I personally would say that Aaron does have issues - not least with anxiety and social anxiety, I'd say that Jay has anger management issues for example, and Harry being the most healthily balanced.

It's equally interesting that you brought to our attention that non psychologists are commenting on this highly specialized subject, whilst u did exactly the same thing, not only with Aaron, but also Harry and Jay!

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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4660028)
That said, trained or not, practising or not: not one of us here now enough about the personal lives of any of the housemates to be able to be 'arguing' over this point or make any assessment based on a highly edited, highly manipulated show. Especially with someone such as Aaron -who we really know not a great deal about on a personal level - other than the fact that his marriage breaking up has affected him as did watching a natural childbirth.

Maybe a fair point, but u completely contradicted it because you've already made an assessment. So, you're allowed to make an assessment, but you're not recommending, or don't believe others should?

What really kicked off this debate was, JET a reputed trained and working psychologist made an assessment that Aaron has "mental problems", and also concluded that he was gay. Because he said he hasn't had sex for 7 years. I don't see what the problem is with people questioning this logic, and trying to understand this rationale.

LivT 17-10-2011 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 4660053)
No doubt you have a qualification in psychology? I do, and I am also a member of BPS and have been since 1992. I have also worked at Maudsley Hospital in London and for the Croydon Mental Health Team. I have not seen any "mental problems" being exhibited by Aaron, although I have definitely seen signs of such in other HMs, but it is not an accusation I would ever seriously throw at anyone without proper investigation and possession of ALL the facts.

Thanks for your response, Angus. That is an answer which is justifiable for anyone claiming to be a professional...especially the latter part. As a Barrister, I tend to steer clear of any legal disputes as nobody can assess nor accurately comment at great length without all pertinent facts.

Kazanne 17-10-2011 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bojangles (Post 4659812)
Aaron has a serious mental problem.I think he is what they call a woman hater.
He leads them on only to demean them.

Aaron really has gone over some peoples heads:joker:

Livia 17-10-2011 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 4659825)
I think he has mental problems, yes. I'm in a position to comment on that, as mental health is my profession.

You must be some consummate professional to be able to diagnose someone from watching edited highlights of them on TV for an hour a day.

Visage 17-10-2011 09:37 AM

I don't think that anyone studying mental health issues would be taught to make an assumption from a show that's well known for it's edits like BB.

I also find it difficult to believe that someone could assess a housemate's mental health from what would no more than 30 minute highlights of a full day in the BB house.


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Originally Posted by Bojangles (Post 4659812)
Aaron has a serious mental problem.I think he is what they call a woman hater.
He leads them on only to demean them.

Coming from someone who was adamant that the freezer incident was a work of fiction and from the mind of an Aaron fan to stir up trouble, despite knowing that some housemates confirmed this, I struggle to take anything you say seriously.

Niamh. 17-10-2011 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 4659918)
Not lying as such just banter..

This ^

I doubt he was being serious, it's none of their business when he last had sex. I know I wouldn't fancy discussing my sex life on national TV. And even if it was, so what?

Suze 17-10-2011 10:09 AM

I can't stop laughing at this thread :laugh3: that it even warrants a thread, as I can't see what it has to do with anything, and Aaron was so obviously having a laugh, same as when he said to Maisie, I wish we had had sex now, and she found that funny also :D But I suppose if some don't get Aaron and his dry humour, then they don't and never will :joker:

Josy 17-10-2011 10:27 AM

So........because Aaron said he hasn't had sex in 7 years, he is now a gay, asexual women hater with serious mental issues? Jeezo.

I personally think he was having a laugh tbh.

psychtracker 17-10-2011 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Suze (Post 4660147)
I can't stop laughing at this thread :laugh3: that it even warrants a thread, as I can't see what it has to do with anything, and Aaron was so obviously having a laugh, same as when he said to Maisie, I wish we had had sex now, and she found that funny also :D But I suppose if some don't get Aaron and his dry humour, then they don't and never will :joker:

Well, u might find it funny...but i just object to some of the poster's attitudes and assumptions on this thread. And the dismissal that someone might not have sex for 7 years, whether true or false. I'm male, and i'd freely admit i went a few years without having sex. It doesn't make me asexual or gay. The problem with stupid male ego and peer pressure, is you're not sposed to mention that because you become a laughing stock! You're sposed to play the Jay macho card and wax lyrical about your thousands of imaginary conquests!!

Suze 17-10-2011 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by psychtracker (Post 4660188)
Well, u might find it funny...but i just object to some of the poster's attitudes and assumptions on this thread. And the dismissal that someone might not have sex for 7 years, whether true or false. I'm male, and i'd freely admit i went a few years without having sex. It doesn't make me asexual or gay. The problem with stupid male ego and peer pressure, is you're not sposed to mention that because you become a laughing stock! You're sposed to play the Jay macho card and wax lyrical about your thousands of imaginary conquests!!

I am not laughing at any assumptions made on anything else, read my post again and you will see that what I said I found funny was relating to the title and what the title of the thread refers to. Not any extra assumptions any want to make about Aaron.

exoticrosebud 17-10-2011 11:09 AM

...lol.....

exoticrosebud 17-10-2011 11:11 AM

Wel I once knew a guy whose uncle's, brother's, cousin wallked a dog for a guy whose best friend knew someone who works in mental health and he thinks your talking out your ass. .................

lol.....

jet 17-10-2011 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by psychtracker (Post 4659989)
That's kinda neither here nor there really, that's just your opinion. How would it be if it's actually true, and he hasn't had sex for seven years. Basically it'd mean he's likely one of the more honest HM's. Particularly as it's often male ego which rules honesty when talking about sexual conquests!

So, how would his honesty adversely effect his HM's. Regardless of what you've said about his relationship with Faye, and his other HM's, the primary topic you supported with your original post was the notion that - it's inconceivable he hasn't had sex for seven years, thus has mental problems, or that he has mental problems because he's lying.

If it turns out true, you've shot yourself in the foot!

No - one, including myself, can accurately diagnose mental health problems without actually spending time with the person in question. I thought that would be understood. Giving opinions on what I see on my TV screen based on my own experiences is no different from a layman giving an opinion based on their experiences. Because I have knowledge and experience of a certain subject means I base what I see and hear on that - someone else may base their opinion from an entirely different angle.
From the very little I know about Aaron, I think he may be a closeted gay, so this influences my assessment of him. I don't think all of his issues are a result of that. Not having had sex for 7 years is not as of itself a symptom of mental health problems. Absolutely not. You have to look at the whole picture (limited though that is in this instance) and patterns of behaviour and form an opinion based on those - and that is what it is - just my opinion given on a MB where I come to for a little light hearted enjoyment. Just like everyone else.

Angus 17-10-2011 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 4660238)
No - one, including myself, can accurately diagnose mental health problems without actually spending time with the person in question. I thought that would be understood. Giving opinions on what I see on my TV screen based on my own experiences is no different from a layman giving an opinion based on their experiences. Because I have knowledge and experience of a certain subject means I base what I see and hear on that - someone else may base their opinion from an entirely different angle.
From the very little I know about Aaron, I think he may be a closeted gay, so this influences my assessment of him. I don't think all of his issues are a result of that. Not having had sex for 7 years is not as of itself a symptom of mental health problems. Absolutely not. You have to look at the whole picture (limited though that is in this instance) and patterns of behaviour and form an opinion based on those - and that is what it is - just my opinion given on a MB where I come to for a little light hearted enjoyment. Just like everyone else.

I feel It is extremely unprofessional to use one's so called expertise to label someone as a closet gay just because he flippantly said he had not had sex for 7 years, especially since his actions in the house appear contradictory. In fact in MY professional opinion I have seen absolutey nothing to suggest he is closet gay and can only assume that this accusation is based on stereotypical views of what gay men are like, ie it has been mentioned more than once that Aaron has slightly camp mannerisms. "Camp" is synonymous in some peoples' minds with effeminate, prissy, over sensitive etc.

To further compound that by suggesting he has mental health issues leads me to conclude that there is a belief by some on this forum that homosexuality is considered to be a mental ailment?:confused: If that is the case, it is an astoundingly sweeping and ignorant generalisation to make.
Furthermore, you cannot possibly form such a diagnosis from such a short, brutally edited version of events.

I, too, come on this forum for light hearted enjoyment, but I cannot let such offensive and bigoted views go without comment and if someone is going to come on here and play the "professional" card, then they need to back it up with proper clinical evaluation and evidence which, of course, is not possible.
Instead we are all of us left with the judgments we make about others based on what facts we are given, and the interesting point in all of this is the very different perspectives people have about others' behaviours, which are naturally based on one's own personal life experiences, values etc. That is the fascination of BB for me, watching the interactions between very different people and making value judgments based on those interactions, as to whom we like or dislike.

jet 17-10-2011 12:03 PM

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It is extremely unprofessional to use one's so called expertise to label someone as a closet gay just because he flippantly said he had not had sex for 7 years
Firstly, I am not being paid here to give professional opinions. It’s a MB, and I’ll give my opinion within the rules whether you like it or not.
Secondly, nowhere did I say that I based my opinion of Aaron being closeted on his not having had sex for 7 years.

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To further compound that by suggesting he has mental health issues leads me to conclude that there is a belief by some on this forum that homosexuality is considered to be a mental ailment.
Don’t be ridiculous. You are the only person whose mind that even crossed, I’m sure.

chuff me dizzy 17-10-2011 12:06 PM

And your problem with this is ? ...............

alex_front2 17-10-2011 12:08 PM

I think one of the reasons why people refuse to believe the 7 year abstinence is because's a decent looking, smart guy who won't exactly struggle to get women into bed. Not sure if I believe, but it's getting everyone talking about him both in and out of the house. AND HE KNOWS THIS.

fruit_cake 17-10-2011 12:10 PM

I believe him, he stays at home playing chess all the time

psychtracker 17-10-2011 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 4660238)
No - one, including myself, can accurately diagnose mental health problems without actually spending time with the person in question.

So, effectively you're saying your comments and assessments on this thread may be completely inaccurate?

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 4660238)
Giving opinions on what I see on my TV screen based on my own experiences is no different from a layman giving an opinion based on their experiences.

Agreed.

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 4660238)
From the very little I know about Aaron, I think he may be a closeted gay, so this influences my assessment of him. I don't think all of his issues are a result of that.

You actually said on a previous comment that he is gay, quote he's a closeted gay who despises himself for the feelings he has. That's why he is so uptight.. I don't get this obsession with his sexuality. From a "lay" perspective, i get suspicious of people who seem hell bent on making assumptions, and broadcasting their thoughts on other people's sexuality with minimal evidence. It seriously makes me question if the person making these assumptions is actually a closet gay themselves.

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 4660238)
just my opinion given on a MB where I come to for a little light hearted enjoyment. Just like everyone else.

If you're coming here for lighthearted enjoyment, you're probably not gonna get it, if open up your comments by saying a HM has mental problems and you're in a position to comment on that, because you're mental health professional.

Kazanne 17-10-2011 12:15 PM

I understand now why a few on here dislike him,they take him at his every word,not knowing when, he is serious or joking,it's his dry wit,so they have him completely wrong,he has left everyone completely baffled and has us talking about him,he's a very clever man and i have a sneaky feeling that the Aaron on the outside is much more of a joker than anyone realises,i feel when he looks back at this he will be doubled up laughing at how some people have fallen for it.Genius Aaron.

fruit_cake 17-10-2011 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kazanne (Post 4660388)
i have a sneaky feeling that the Aaron on the outside is much more of a joker than anyone realises,i feel when he looks back at this he will be doubled up laughing at how some people have fallen for it.Genius Aaron.

he deserves an oscar if that's true.

Cherie 17-10-2011 12:21 PM

Maybe we should start a thread about a 19 year old with 49 women under his belt if you will pardon the pun, and stretch the imagination to believe it....or a 27 year old with a 1,000...or a guy who says he has had sex on a nightclub floor.....geez where the respect or indeed normality in that! I dont believe Aaron has not had sex for 7 years, neither do I believe its "normal" for men to boast about their conquests, to their mates perhaps yes but to other women and men he doesnt even know on a reality game show, nothing is normal!

Cherie 17-10-2011 12:24 PM

I agree Kazanne alot of what Aaron does is done with a mischiveious twinkle, I dont doubt he gets proper annoyed about things, but as many previous HMs will vouch for, its the little things that get you in there, I think alot of the stuff he says should be taken with a massive pinch of salt, after all does anyone really believe Jay has had 1,000 birds....? so why are you so sure Aaron is telling the truth...he is not part of the woolpack after all and makes a point of doing the opposite to what they are doing.

Patricia4 17-10-2011 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kazanne (Post 4660388)
I understand now why a few on here dislike him,they take him at his every word,not knowing when, he is serious or joking,it's his dry wit,so they have him completely wrong,he has left everyone completely baffled and has us talking about him,he's a very clever man and i have a sneaky feeling that the Aaron on the outside is much more of a joker than anyone realises,i feel when he looks back at this he will be doubled up laughing at how some people have fallen for it.Genius Aaron.

He's the best his dry wit I like.

psychtracker 17-10-2011 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 4660317)
I feel It is extremely unprofessional to use one's so called expertise to label someone as a closet gay just because he flippantly said he had not had sex for 7 years, especially since his actions in the house appear contradictory. In fact in MY professional opinion I have seen absolutey nothing to suggest he is closet gay and can only assume that this accusation is based on stereotypical views of what gay men are like, ie it has been mentioned more than once that Aaron has slightly camp mannerisms. "Camp" is synonymous in some peoples' minds with effeminate, prissy, over sensitive etc.

To further compound that by suggesting he has mental health issues leads me to conclude that there is a belief by some on this forum that homosexuality is considered to be a mental ailment?:confused: If that is the case, it is an astoundingly sweeping and ignorant generalisation to make.
Furthermore, you cannot possibly form such a diagnosis from such a short, brutally edited version of events.

I, too, come on this forum for light hearted enjoyment, but I cannot let such offensive and bigoted views go without comment and if someone is going to come on here and play the "professional" card, then they need to back it up with proper clinical evaluation and evidence which, of course, is not possible.
Instead we are all of us left with the judgments we make about others based on what facts we are given, and the interesting point in all of this is the very different perspectives people have about others' behaviours, which are naturally based on one's own personal life experiences, values etc. That is the fascination of BB for me, watching the interactions between very different people and making value judgments based on those interactions, as to whom we like or dislike.

I totally AGREE...that's exactly what i've been thinking whilst contributing to this thread, but haven't been able to put it as eloquently and concisely as you have just done.

jet 17-10-2011 12:39 PM

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So, effectively you're saying your comments and assessments on this thread may be completely inaccurate?
Of course - just like anyone else’s. I am not employed here to give a professional opinion. I’m giving my opinion based on my own experiences (which includes working with gay youths). If I was employed professionally I would have to have many sessions with a person before coming to any conclusion. Do you expect me not to post my opinions here because I have not had seen Aaron in a professional capacity?

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You actually said on a previous comment that he is gay, quote he's a closeted gay who despises himself for the feelings he has. That's why he is so uptight.. I don't get this obsession with his sexuality. From a "lay" perspective, i get suspicious of people who seem hell bent on making assumptions, and broadcasting their thoughts on other people's sexuality with minimal evidence. It seriously makes me question if the person making these assumptions is actually a closet gay themselves.
I don’t get this obsession with his sexuality either. I have pointed out previously that some of his issues may be the result of other things. I find him interesting - whatever the reasons.
Assumptions are being made about ALL the HM’s - many with no basis in fact whatsoever. Other HM’s are being criticized and called names by posters, in some cases very cruelly - much worse that any opinion I have made of Aaron. Are you lecturing them also? Why should Aaron be any different?
Perhaps a moderator could put me right on which opinions I am allowed to have and those I am not?
For the record, I am happily married man with children. If I was gay, I would be proud to say so.

jet 17-10-2011 12:52 PM

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To further compound that by suggesting he has mental health issues leads me to conclude that there is a belief by some on this forum that homosexuality is considered to be a mental ailment?
I would be interested to know why you have come to that belief, and of whom you are referring to?


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I cannot let such offensive and bigoted views go without comment
Which offensive and bigoted views were they?

You have implied that I (and maybe some others) have homophobic and bigoted views with no good reason. Perhaps you could explain why you have made such serious allegations. Meanwhile, I have reported your post.

alex_front2 17-10-2011 01:19 PM

I think speculating on Aaron's mental health is futile and a bit degrading. Unless we know for a fact with a diagnosis then it's quite tasteless. I joke that Jay is an uncontrollable psycho, but the fact is I don't know.

psychtracker 17-10-2011 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 4660431)
Of course - just like anyone else’s. I am not employed here to give a professional opinion. I’m giving my opinion based on my own experiences (which includes working with gay youths). If I was employed professionally I would have to have many sessions with a person before coming to any conclusion. Do you expect me not to post my opinions here because I have not had seen Aaron in a professional capacity?

I just find it a bit perplexing that you can make some rather brash and unfounded comments, and then vindicate them by stating you're a professional in mental health. Which in effect is saying - you're the expert here, and you know best.

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 4660431)
Assumptions are being made about ALL the HM’s - many with no basis in fact whatsoever. Other HM’s are being criticized and called names by posters, in some cases very cruelly - much worse that any opinion I have made of Aaron. Are you lecturing them also? Why should Aaron be any different?

It doesn't matter to me which housemate a topic is concerning, if i read what i consider to be dodgy comments, it's my right to offer a counter argument.

Livia 17-10-2011 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jet (Post 4659825)
I think he has mental problems, yes. I'm in a position to comment on that, as mental health is my profession.

You've quite clearly stated here that your comment was made in your capacity as a "mental health professional". You say "I am in a position to comment on that..." because of your claimed profession. Your opinion doesn't count any more or any less than anyone else's on here. And if you really are a mental health professional you'll realise that claiming to be able to sum someone up in the way that you have after watching him on the telly for a few weeks doesn't add any weight to your claim.

jet 17-10-2011 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by alex_front2 (Post 4660491)
I think speculating on Aaron's mental health is futile and a bit degrading. Unless we know for a fact with a diagnosis then it's quite tasteless. I joke that Jay is an uncontrollable psycho, but the fact is I don't know.

BB is a game show where the HM's put themselves up for public scrutiny. This is a MB where we can scrutinize them. It seems only Aaron should be immune from that. :rolleyes:

soundslike 17-10-2011 01:51 PM

Being in a mental health profession doesn't mean you will always judge a persons mannerisms correctly. How many top psychiatrist have been fooled by people or have made huge mistakes about someone.
I don't like Aaron but I think he was just closing down the question that was asked. In other words I don't know you well enough to give you that information so he played on it. Good for him some things are best kept private.

He could be straight, he could be bi he could even be gay, no one knows but Aaron. I suppose its his business and not something he wants to discuss with anyone or maybe its part of his game so he appeals to the gay followers.

jet 17-10-2011 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 4660528)
You've quite clearly stated here that your comment was made in your capacity as a "mental health professional". You say "I am in a position to comment on that..." because of your claimed profession. Your opinion doesn't count any more or any less than anyone else's on here. And if you really are a mental health professional you'll realise that claiming to be able to sum someone up in the way that you have after watching him on the telly for a few weeks doesn't add any weight to your claim.

That was said light heartedly and 'tongue in cheek'. It is hard to convey intent on a MB.
However, as a MHP I do think that I am in a better position to spot some things than others may be - especially as I studied body language for my post grad thesis and have had several articles published on the subject. Of course I realize I can't know anything for sure - how could any of us? I thought my opinions might be of some interest and add to the conversation but I realize that the subject of Aaron is a touchy one for some reason.

jet 17-10-2011 02:05 PM

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Being in a mental health profession doesn't mean you will always judge a persons mannerisms correctly. How many top psychiatrist have been fooled by people or have made huge mistakes about someone.
Very true, soundslike.


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