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Bill Carson 04-11-2011 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by flamingGalah! (Post 4717894)
Completely out of order to call Aaron a 'bully', emotionally or otherwise... :nono:

Why?...Because you say so? Don't attempt to dictate to anyone what they can or cannot think.

RodHull 04-11-2011 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 4717882)
Let me explain... :rolleyes:

Faye HAS been an emotional wreck since day 1, thats true.

Aaron, as an emotional bully, recognised that and chose to take advantage of it, exasperating her mental state to feed into his need for an 'interesting' realtionship in the house. As a grown man, and an intelligent one at that who everyone tells me is a 'master game player', I can only assume it was intentional.

But then I said all this when I said, "But still, whatever Faye is that doesn't change what Aaron is. She is obviously emotionally immature, insecure, and volatile and Aaron as a mature man should have seen that and not chosen her as his tactical fauxmance, ethically speaking"

I have never said 'Faye was perfect before she met Aaron'. Aaron hasn't made Faye what she is, but he sure as hell is taking advantage of it.



Game playing aside, passive aggressive bully types are commonly drawn to Faye's personality type, simply because they deliver what they are themselves looking for... Reaction, chaos, and, ultimately, control.

And you dont see how she has played him (and you apparently) I agree they are both in this for their own reasons, some completely selfish. Buts its not as cut and dried as him 'choosing' her and her just being used. They are both using each other, Indeed Id argue she has brought him down far more than he has done to her. Her mental state has never changed much, she used to bang on about 'looking like a dickhead' before they were even together, where as he was quite happy and content before he hooked up with her.

She has betrayed him, lied to him and mocked him far more than he has ever done to her. Indeed I am yet to hear any proper evidence of how he has 'messed with her head' this phrase people keep bandying around with no proof. The worst thing he does to her is when he goes silent on her, BUT this isnt always directed at her. Sometimes it is, but sometimes he just likes his own space, its her needyness that interprets this as him being moody with her cause in her world everything revolves around her.

She is not the innocent 19 year old she would have us believe, she is a 22 year old woman who has had a relationship with a 42 year old before. Aaron has been very accomodating of her weird behaviour, much more so than the 42 year old probably ever was. Hes far from perfect but shes even further from perfect. I suggest she has had a far more dramatic and negative affect on him and his time in the house, than he has had on her.

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Originally Posted by flamingGalah! (Post 4717894)
Completely out of order to call Aaron a 'bully', emotionally or otherwise... :nono:

Its a phrase that gets used WAY to much in relation to BB since the whole Shilpa Shetty incident.

fruit_cake 04-11-2011 12:32 PM

Aaron's not an 'abusive husband' imo, that comment is ridiculously sensationalist.

MTVN 04-11-2011 12:33 PM

Ok everyone needs to calm it down in here, there is no need for posts like the above

BJ 04-11-2011 12:35 PM

[QUOTE=vesavius;4717803]I meant here we go again that the complaints flood in over something or other minor and fleeting in general, not that you were a serial complainer ;)

Thank you, vesavius:wavey:

I know we don't support the same housemates, and that's fine. I've been an avid fan of Big Brother since half way through BB1 so there's no way I would want to be involved, in any way, with neutering the show. However I felt compelled to make a complaint about one comment made on the spin off BOTs made by one guest. I'm sure you agree that unfounded suggestions by panel members that a particular person is either racist, homophobic or abusive is totally unacceptable.

BigBrotherfan4ever 04-11-2011 12:37 PM

I couldnt believe my ears, when I heard them saying Aaron is like abusive husband, it's totally out of order.

MTVN 04-11-2011 12:39 PM

Deleted some posts in here, to reiterate:

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4717937)
Ok everyone needs to calm it down in here, there is no need for posts like the above


vesavius 04-11-2011 12:40 PM

[QUOTE=BJ;4717940]
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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 4717803)
I meant here we go again that the complaints flood in over something or other minor and fleeting in general, not that you were a serial complainer ;)

Thank you, vesavius:wavey:

I know we don't support the same housemates, and that's fine. I've been an avid fan of Big Brother since half way through BB1 so there's no way I would want to be involved, in any way, with neutering the show. However I felt compelled to make a complaint about one comment made on the spin off BOTs made by one guest. I'm sure you agree that unfounded suggestions by panel members that a particular person is either racist, homophobic or abusive is totally unacceptable.

I do, and we as viewers have the right to be upset and should show that with their on/off switch or,in this case, our votes. I just believe reporting to Ofcom doesnt do any good... especially in this case where it will only hurt BB even more in the long term as they start to walk on eggshells and it will also just drag the comment on and on.

As a side, I agree that comparing Aaron to a 'abusive husband' was going too far, I have said that since the start of my posts in this thread :)


(there are also Aaron supporters here who post stuff in a way I really like and who I get on with, despite not agreeing with them on this silly gameshow... I think you have just made that list BJ :) )

kisywisy 04-11-2011 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by *Kate* (Post 4717835)
You just shot your entire argument to pieces. Well done :D :joker:

You state Faye was a wreck from the start, therefore how on earth can it be down to Aaron. It DID start with Jem, it has been the pattern all Faye's life, the mother and sister emotionally destroyed the girl. Yes, I do agree with you partly however, that Faye is insecure and volatile, this is for the above reasons, yes, Jemma and Ma Palmer have a lot to answer for. Also, I don't believe the romance is fake, unfortunately though it won't be allowed to last once they get out, by guess who. Yep, the two witches again.

you have absolutely NO proof of this. you are moaning about aaron being compared to an abusive husband, yet you have no problem in basically saying faye's mum and sister were emotionally abusive to her!!!

total hypocrite

you also don't know what aaron is like as a husband or long term partner.

you may have gone through some terrible times, but it doesn't make you the expert. i've gone through some horrible things in my life, but i know each and every person goes through it differently

BJ 04-11-2011 12:50 PM

[QUOTE=vesavius;4717951]
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Originally Posted by BJ (Post 4717940)

I do, and we as viewers have the right to be upset and should show that with their on/off switch or,in this case, our votes. I just believe reporting to Ofcom doesnt do any good... especially in this case where it will only hurt BB even more in the long term as they start to walk on eggshells and it will also just drag the comment on and on.

As a side, I agree that comparing Aaron to a 'abusive husband' was going too far, I have said that since the start of my posts in this thread :)


(there are also Aaron supporters here who post stuff in a way I really like and who I get on with, despite not agreeing with them on this silly gameshow... I think you have just made that list BJ :) )

Thanks Versavius. Will you be my new BFF :xyxwave:

Kate! 04-11-2011 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kisywisy (Post 4717958)
you have absolutely NO proof of this. you are moaning about aaron being compared to an abusive husband, yet you have no problem in basically saying faye's mum and sister were emotionally abusive to her!!!

total hypocrite

you also don't know what aaron is like as a husband or long term partner.

you may have gone through some terrible times, but it doesn't make you the expert. i've gone through some horrible things in my life, but i know each and every person goes through it differently

A lot of us on here are not happy that Aaron has been portrayed in this light, there is no evidence to support this is what I am saying. There is very clear evidence of how Jemma treats Faye however, if you have been watching all the episodes. I don't claim to be an expert, far from it, but I have been through enough that I recognise the signs, emotional abuse does follow a pattern. I object to you calling me a hypocrite for stating my opinions, sorry you don't like them, but I am allowed to voice them just as much as the next person. I will rephrase what I said however, to hopefully keep the peace please. In my opinion Aaron is not an emotional bully, but I feel that Jemma is. Is that better for you?

Beso 04-11-2011 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by *Kate* (Post 4717835)
You just shot your entire argument to pieces. Well done :D :joker:

You state Faye was a wreck from the start, therefore how on earth can it be down to Aaron. It DID start with Jem, it has been the pattern all Faye's life, the mother and sister emotionally destroyed the girl. Yes, I do agree with you partly however, that Faye is insecure and volatile, this is for the above reasons, yes, Jemma and Ma Palmer have a lot to answer for. Also, I don't believe the romance is fake, unfortunately though it won't be allowed to last once they get out, by guess who. Yep, the two witches again.

she's been in tears at least once a week since day 2..I have the video evidence on my virgin tv hard drive.

alc09 04-11-2011 12:58 PM

Oh dear Nicola McLean - I think this may be the last we see of her for a while, not because of that comment but because she has had to stoop so low to appear on BBBOTS.

Along with her arrogant cock of a husband, who is so good at football he has ended up in non league - I don't think we will be seeing/hearing much of them for a while.

vesavius 04-11-2011 01:02 PM

[QUOTE=BJ;4717969]
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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 4717951)

Thanks Versavius. Will you be my new BFF :xyxwave:

haha Sure! :xyxwave:

vesavius 04-11-2011 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 4717982)
she's been in tears at least once a week since day 2..I have the video evidence on my virgin tv hard drive.

Indeed she has.

This false reality of it all starting with Jem going in is confusing :confused:

flamingGalah! 04-11-2011 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill Carson (Post 4717912)
Why?...Because you say so? Don't attempt to dictate to anyone what they can or cannot think.

Because it's utter bullsh*t that's why!

I by your own reasoning am also perfectly entitled to think it is out of order & express my opinion as such :xyxwave:

So thank's for your input, but try not to be so hypocritical next time :idc:

Vicky. 04-11-2011 01:29 PM

Aaron is about as abusive as a feather duster...

Suze 04-11-2011 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4718052)
Aaron is about as abusive as a feather duster...

That's so true :) :D

chuff me dizzy 04-11-2011 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by flamingGalah! (Post 4717894)
Completely out of order to call Aaron a 'bully', emotionally or otherwise... :nono:

Totally agree !!

MrWong 04-11-2011 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 4718052)
Aaron is about as abusive as a feather duster...

:joker:

That's funny..... because it's true.

Marmalite 04-11-2011 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 4717803)
I meant here we go again that the complaints flood in over something or other minor and fleeting in general, not that you were a serial complainer ;)

All the show being forced to make an apology will do is get BB neuterd and drag the comment's life span out further, maybe damaging Aaron even worse TBH.

Aaron, of all people, knew what he was getting in to. He is a long time student of the show and obviously fully expected this to potentiolly happen.


I find your comment pretty hypocritical.

So, surely then if Aaron knew what he was getting into going on BB then Faye knew what she was getting into by not only being on BB and getting into a relationship in the BB house where things will be strained, but also for having your sister coming in and being a complete controlling bitch and mother hanging your dirty washing on the line for all to see... because don't forget Faye has been a fan and tried to be a BB contestant a couple of times herself before.

That vile women was wrong to compare Aaron as an abusive husband on BBOTS. Same as you are wrong to say he is an emotional bully.

At times, yes both he and Faye are as bad as each other. However I find Faye far more of an emotionally manipulative person than Aaron (if you want to go down that route). She's patronising and condescending to him, talks **** about him behind his back, laughs in his face, wants him one minute then doesn't the next, bitches constantly at him... gool lord I could go on forever.

I expect on the outside world without the glare of the cameras, the other HM's chiming in and Faye's family butting in and telling her how to think, feel and act they would be able to sort out their problems pretty quickly or just simply call it quits and spllit up for good. However, they're in the BB house so they don't have that luxury yet.

Beso 04-11-2011 03:35 PM

My dad was abusive and he had a lot of the same traits as Aaron...I'm not saying Aaron is though.

Marmalite 04-11-2011 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 4717882)
Let me explain... :rolleyes:

Faye HAS been an emotional wreck since day 1, thats true.

Aaron, as an emotional bully, recognised that and chose to take advantage of it, exasperating her mental state to feed into his need for an 'interesting' realtionship in the house. As a grown man, and an intelligent one at that who everyone tells me is a 'master game player', I can only assume it was intentional.

But then I said all this when I said,"But still, whatever Faye is that doesn't change what Aaron is. She is obviously emotionally immature, insecure, and volatile and Aaron as a mature man should have seen that and not chosen her as his tactical fauxmance, ethically speaking"

I have never said 'Faye was perfect before she met Aaron'. Aaron hasn't made Faye what she is, but he sure as hell is taking advantage of it.



Game playing aside, passive aggressive bully types are commonly drawn to Faye's personality type, simply because they deliver what they are themselves looking for... Reaction, chaos, and, ultimately, control.



You're having a laugh aren't you???

Aaron didn't even speak to Faye in the first week. She then won a romantic dinner for two and when she found out that Jay had his sights set on Louise she opted to take Aaron.

After the the dinner nothing much happened except her flirting with Aaron whenever the booze was flowing or she felt 'in the mood'.

Aaron then had a very brief snog with Maisy and suddenly she's was all heart broken and all this "how could he do this when he knows I have feelings for him" crap spurted out of her mouth.

She's lead him up the garden path since then - wanting him one minute, telling him they should be friends the next, flirting with other male HMs in front of him, telling him never to speak to her again, believing her sister and Jay and Anton before she believed Aaron, bitching behind his back, etc etc etc.

rusticgal 04-11-2011 04:25 PM

I have said this on another post but as I started this one I will say it on here.

I love BB...I love wathing people interact and I love coming on this forum. Having supported Aaron from day one its hard to hear such negativity from the spin off programme about him. He has been the subject of most of the drama and he has been hugely entertaining and therefore he will get discussed more than the others. I dont watch much of BOTS because I find much of it tiresome.... HOWEVER...you simply cant have someone make such incriminating comments like that on National TV. Aaronns behaviour in the house has been HUGELY exaggerated its almost laughable... he is just a sweet guy with maybe a few insecurities and maybe too honest for his own good. No one is perfect.

I just think if these threads get read by Channel 5 they will see and recognise that allowing those comments to be voiced by a gobby wannabe was totally unacceptable.THEY WERE DEROGATORY... there is debate and opinions but that clearly overstepped the mark.
Nicola Mclean should apologise to Aaron...his family and friends for saying what she said and also apologise to anyone who has been subject to abuse for offending them.

C5 have to take responsibility and take action.

Gillian-73 04-11-2011 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rusticgal (Post 4718513)
I have said this on another post but as I started this one I will say it on here.

I love BB...I love wathing people interact and I love coming on this forum. Having supported Aaron from day one its hard to hear such negativity from the spin off programme about him. He has been the subject of most of the drama and he has been hugely entertaining and therefore he will get discussed more than the others. I dont watch much of BOTS because I find much of it tiresome.... HOWEVER...you simply cant have someone make such incriminating comments like that on National TV. Aaronns behaviour in the house has been HUGELY exaggerated its almost laughable... he is just a sweet guy with maybe a few insecurities and maybe too honest for his own good. No one is perfect.

I just think if these threads get read by Channel 5 they will see and recognise that allowing those comments to be voiced by a gobby wannabe was totally unacceptable.THEY WERE DEROGATORY... there is debate and opinions but that clearly overstepped the mark.
Nicola Mclean should apologise to Aaron...his family and friends for saying what she said and also apologise to anyone who has been subject to abuse for offending them.

C5 have to take responsibility and take action.

I agree with all that! only i watch bots regularly for some reason, glutton for punishment :D

Suze 04-11-2011 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rusticgal (Post 4718513)
I have said this on another post but as I started this one I will say it on here.

I love BB...I love wathing people interact and I love coming on this forum. Having supported Aaron from day one its hard to hear such negativity from the spin off programme about him. He has been the subject of most of the drama and he has been hugely entertaining and therefore he will get discussed more than the others. I dont watch much of BOTS because I find much of it tiresome.... HOWEVER...you simply cant have someone make such incriminating comments like that on National TV. Aaronns behaviour in the house has been HUGELY exaggerated its almost laughable... he is just a sweet guy with maybe a few insecurities and maybe too honest for his own good. No one is perfect.

I just think if these threads get read by Channel 5 they will see and recognise that allowing those comments to be voiced by a gobby wannabe was totally unacceptable.THEY WERE DEROGATORY... there is debate and opinions but that clearly overstepped the mark.
Nicola Mclean should apologise to Aaron...his family and friends for saying what she said and also apologise to anyone who has been subject to abuse for offending them.

C5 have to take responsibility and take action.

Trouble is I don't think they will :mad: :( They just don't seem to act on anything or take responsibility for their's and others actions do they :nono:

RodHull 04-11-2011 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 4718350)
My dad was abusive and he had a lot of the same traits as Aaron...I'm not saying Aaron is though.

Such as?? Give examples... cause sorry I dont buy vague statements like that backed up with zero evidence.

Its like me stating, my mate is a living saint and he has the same attributes as Aaron... its vague and meaningless without proof.

Kazanne 04-11-2011 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RodHull (Post 4718563)
Such as?? Give examples... cause sorry I dont buy vague statements like that backed up with zero evidence.

Its like me stating, my mate is a living saint and he has the same attributes as Aaron... its vague and meaningless without proof.

:joker::joker::joker:Rod,gotta hand it to you:dance::dance::dance:

Marmalite 04-11-2011 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 4718350)
My dad was abusive and he had a lot of the same traits as Aaron...I'm not saying Aaron is though.


Yes, I would also like you to give some examples of which traits.

I was in a abusive relationship and I can tell you the nutter was absolutely nothing like Aaron!

vesavius 04-11-2011 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Marmalite (Post 4718341)
I find your comment pretty hypocritical.

...and I literally stop reading your post at that point.

Not good to start off with name calling if you want others to understand the point you want to make. Just sayin'.

vesavius 04-11-2011 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RodHull (Post 4718563)
Such as?? Give examples... cause sorry I dont buy vague statements like that backed up with zero evidence.

Its like me stating, my mate is a living saint and he has the same attributes as Aaron... its vague and meaningless without proof.

What 'proof' or 'evidence' do you think can be provided past anecdotal?

Your obviously going to dismiss anything he says as 'vague' and 'meaningless'.

He is giving his view based off a stated personal experience, just as others have done in support of Aaron in this thread (which you have chosen to not call out obviously).

If you want me to give details of how Aaron's behaviour is passive aggressive and how he uses emotional blackmail to manipulate and control I will though of course. I have posted it before though so won't again unless thats what you are looking for.

Marmalite 04-11-2011 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by vesavius (Post 4718674)
...and I literally stop reading your post at that point.

Not good to start off with name calling if you want others to understand the point you want to make. Just sayin'.


PMSL.... Name calling?

Next you'll say I'm bullying you or being emotionally abusive :joker:

vesavius 04-11-2011 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Marmalite (Post 4718701)
Next you'll say I'm bullying you or being emotionally abusive :joker:

:nono:

Bluerang1 04-11-2011 06:04 PM

Are y'all always on?

vesavius 04-11-2011 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluerang1 (Post 4718758)
Are y'all always on?

Only when i have a boring shift that I need to pass away :)

Hi Blue :xyxwave:

Bluerang1 04-11-2011 06:12 PM

I don't even mean you. Everything said about Aaron becomes fanfare, though this one was quite bad. But if she said it about Jay, come on, barely anyone would care.

Vanessa 04-11-2011 06:28 PM

This comment is slander! Totally out of order! Nicola is a twat! :nono:

Kazelle 04-11-2011 06:29 PM

I laughed out loud at the comment. Aaron has to be the wimpiest guy ever. I doubt anyone could take the comment 'abusive husband' seriously. Someone can only mess with your mind if you allow them to. Faye's only allowing the back and forth games to continue because of the air time it's giving her.

Vanessa 04-11-2011 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazelle (Post 4718828)
I laughed out loud at the comment. Aaron has to be the wimpiest guy ever. I doubt anyone could take the comment 'abusive husband' seriously. Someone can only mess with your mind if you allow them to. Faye's only allowing the back and forth games to continue because of the air time it's giving her.

It's out of order to call anyone that. Not just Aaron. :nono:

Livia 04-11-2011 06:37 PM

I'm pretty sure that the comment of a guest on a show does not necessarily reflect the opinions of the company, its affiliates and subsidiaries. Or at least that's what their lawyers almost certainly included in the smallprint.


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