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Kizzy 30-11-2012 11:27 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20409229
The report noted that unless a perpetrator has actually been arrested, it is difficult to be sure of their ethnicity. However, analysis of the reported ethnicity of more than 1,500 alleged perpetrators showed that about a third were white, the largest ethnic group.

"The reality is that each year thousands of children in England are raped and abused by people seeking to humiliate, violate and control them," said Ms Berelowitz.

"These have included children who have been abducted, trafficked, beaten and threatened after being drawn into a web of sexual violence by promises of love and others who have suffered in silence for years as they are casually and routinely raped by the boys in their neighbourhoods."

Andrew Flanagan, chief executive of the NSPCC, said: "Sex offenders come from all backgrounds but if there is a problem with one community in a particular areas we must be bold enough to address it and not just turn a blind eye.
Omah posted this info a couple of weeks ago, but it has relevance here.

Redway 30-11-2012 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Virgin Mock (Post 5658569)
I definitely agree with the bit in bold in particular, how they think The Police (who have alot of black Police Officers now) will arrest them because of the colour of there skin is quite ridiculous, if anyone gets arrested then there must be evidence.

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Originally Posted by Virgin Mock (Post 5658604)
Now I agree with everything you've said there The Truth, I do think some people can blindly ignore when a black or asian person can be racist but when it's a white person being racist they get attacked.

If people weren't so scared of arresting black and asian people for hate crimes (like when the 3 muslim girls beat up the white girl and called her a white slag) then we probably could stop racism more, but the law is hopeless at stopping murderers, rapists, and paedophiles so this country will never be sorting out prejudice anytime soon until the 3 main crimes get better sentencing.

And you can't even say anything about it without being accused of being a racist.

Kizzy 30-11-2012 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Scouse Prezzie (Post 5659557)
And you can't even say anything about it without being accused of being a racist.

Well people are saying things about it now....
After the police were branded 'institutionally racist' they were naturally hesitant to be seen as the bearer of bad news.......
suck it up!
this is our doing.

the truth 02-12-2012 08:03 PM

Dare I say it Im glad Im a follower of Christianity and not islam or Judaism as theyre way more hard line.

Redway 02-12-2012 10:47 PM

Are you seriously suggesting that Christianity isn't as bad? The same religion that asks for gays to be stoned, and women to shut up in church, etc?

Livia 02-12-2012 10:49 PM

Everyone discriminates and everyone is discriminated against in one way or another.

Brother Leon 02-12-2012 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5658870)
Mohammed married Aisha aged 6, and had sex with her when she was 9, and he was 54. When this man is your moral guide, then one thing follows the other.

You do realise life was alot difference back then to now,right? Situations similar to this were common even in England too.

It's also ridiculous to assume a small minority of Asian men who do this is due to what you stated.

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5658876)
It's not really spoken about publicly, so we can avoid having a discussion about the things Mohammed actually did in his life.

It's used as a smear campaign all the time...

the truth 03-12-2012 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Scouse Prezzie (Post 5665901)
Are you seriously suggesting that Christianity isn't as bad? The same religion that asks for gays to be stoned, and women to shut up in church, etc?

1) thats a lie and 2) yes Christianity is fantastic and infinitely more enlightened than these other religions imho and more enlightened than most posters on here.

Kizzy 03-12-2012 06:28 AM

Thats what I don't like about religion, the attitudes of those who abide these dilutions of ancient texts, most of which I would suggest bear no resemblance to the original documents.
This inflated sense of entitlement, assumed authority, and ultimately superiority over others is what christianity has come to mean to me.
Over the years it has been used as a tool of social control using indoctrination to specific 'sects' for want of a better word.
Each with their own unique set of provisos, prejudices, and punishments.
Far and away from any resemblance of spirituality or enlightenment.
Christians are as guilty as any other faith of fundamentalism.
I have my god given free will, and I don't like the abuses of power by those who assume elevated status due to their position in the christian churches of every denomination.
Well.... I think thats all I have to say about that. :)

thesheriff443 03-12-2012 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 5665908)
Everyone discriminates and everyone is discriminated against in one way or another.

this all the way!

Redway 03-12-2012 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 5666150)
1) thats a lie and 2) yes Christianity is fantastic and infinitely more enlightened than these other religions imho and more enlightened than most posters on here.

No, it's not. Go and check out the Bible yourself. I cba posting links right now but you know exactly what I mean.

the truth 03-12-2012 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas (Post 5666193)
Thats what I don't like about religion, the attitudes of those who abide these dilutions of ancient texts, most of which I would suggest bear no resemblance to the original documents.
This inflated sense of entitlement, assumed authority, and ultimately superiority over others is what christianity has come to mean to me.
Over the years it has been used as a tool of social control using indoctrination to specific 'sects' for want of a better word.
Each with their own unique set of provisos, prejudices, and punishments.
Far and away from any resemblance of spirituality or enlightenment.
Christians are as guilty as any other faith of fundamentalism.
I have my god given free will, and I don't like the abuses of power by those who assume elevated status due to their position in the christian churches of every denomination.
Well.... I think thats all I have to say about that. :)

absolute rubbish, as usual you twist and exagerrate the opinions of religions.

This site over liberal military left wing site is far more fundamental, hundreds of thousands of abortions, all mothers should smoke during pregnancy, hetrosexual men must burn, etc

as for Christians, theyre not fundamentalists and certainly not as radical as the muslims and the Jews in their beliefs. But when Christians come on to sites like this and show they are more flexible and not fundamentalsts, the radical liberals hate that too. they say its either 100% believe and live by every word of the Bble or nothing. Its the militant left who show no compromise or flexibility. They are the fundamentalists.

the truth 03-12-2012 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Scouse Prezzie (Post 5666195)
No, it's not. Go and check out the Bible yourself. I cba posting links right now but you know exactly what I mean.

You go and check it. Youre lying plain and simple. Show me where jesus said stone gays?

InOne 03-12-2012 10:51 AM

Hmmmm, starting to think thetruth is another personality of LT/President/Gavin

the truth 03-12-2012 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Scrooge (Post 5666289)
Hmmmm, starting to think thetruth is another personality of LT/President/Gavin

as usual ignore the smessage and attack the messenger. typical militant left.

Kizzy 03-12-2012 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 5666280)
absolute rubbish, as usual you twist and exagerrate the opinions of religions.

This site over liberal military left wing site is far more fundamental, hundreds of thousands of abortions, all mothers should smoke during pregnancy, hetrosexual men must burn, etc

as for Christians, theyre not fundamentalists and certainly not as radical as the muslims and the Jews in their beliefs. But when Christians come on to sites like this and show they are more flexible and not fundamentalsts, the radical liberals hate that too. they say its either 100% believe and live by every word of the Bble or nothing. Its the militant left who show no compromise or flexibility. They are the fundamentalists.

Those were my views.. not those of the site.
My personal opinion, I may not follow a faith but that does not mean I do not have spiritual beliefs.
Do you understand how you just proved my point?
You attacked me in an offensive post suggesting i'm a radical, militant and a fundamental for daring to disagree with you.
Is that right, fair or a christian thing to do?
What happened to turning the other cheek?...
What I find most ridiculous is your insistance that my post suggests I hate men, heterosexuals and all christians are fundamentals...
To be fair you have not given me anything in your above post to show me you are flexible in your approach to the thoughts and feelings of others in all honesty.

Jesus. 03-12-2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Brother Leon (Post 5665975)
You do realise life was alot difference back then to now,right? Situations similar to this were common even in England too.

It's also ridiculous to assume a small minority of Asian men who do this is due to what you stated.



It's used as a smear campaign all the time...

Point 1 - Life may have been different, but this is a so-called prophet who supposedly had an angel Gabriel iphone with god on speed dial. If you're saying that the morality of humanity has changed to frown upon these things over time, then we are in agreement. What I find difficult to believe, is that you seem to be excusing his behaviour in the context of the time period. Either he was a prophet who should know better, or he's a power crazy peedophile. He can't be both.

I didn't say they did it because of the Aisha, I just gave context for it to happen. When their prophet is a child molester, who Muslims believe was the final messenger from God, and his actions in life (through the hadiths) are just as important as the Koran, then he can't be bound to the norms of that period in history.

If he was talking and receiving messages from god, why didn't the big man upstairs tell him "Oi, Mohammed, no marrying 6 year old girls, and ****ing them when they are 9.

I can be repulsed by the whole thing and see it for what it is. I don't have to try and play historical gymnastics to try and excuse the behaviour of men supposedly inspired by the creator of the universe.

Rather than worrying about the smear, maybe you'd care to counter it with a point other than, they were all paedo's back then?

the truth 03-12-2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas (Post 5666316)
Those were my views.. not those of the site.
My personal opinion, I may not follow a faith but that does not mean I do not have spiritual beliefs.
Do you understand how you just proved my point?
You attacked me in an offensive post suggesting i'm a radical, militant and a fundamental for daring to disagree with you.
Is that right, fair or a christian thing to do?
What happened to turning the other cheek?...
What I find most ridiculous is your insistance that my post suggests I hate men, heterosexuals and all christians are fundamentals...
To be fair you have not given me anything in your above post to show me you are flexible in your approach to the thoughts and feelings of others in all honesty.

try reading some of my other posts then. I didnt say you were radical militant either, youre precious ego is taking it way too personally. i was speaking of the general culture on this radical militant left wing site. I dont water it all down to pacify the left wing. I say what I believe. You shouldnt take offence.

the truth 03-12-2012 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jesus.H.Christ (Post 5666329)
Point 1 - Life may have been different, but this is a so-called prophet who supposedly had an angel Gabriel iphone with god on speed dial. If you're saying that the morality of humanity has changed to frown upon these things over time, then we are in agreement. What I find difficult to believe, is that you seem to be excusing his behaviour in the context of the time period. Either he was a prophet who should know better, or he's a power crazy peedophile. He can't be both.

I didn't say they did it because of the Aisha, I just gave context for it to happen. When their prophet is a child molester, who Muslims believe was the final messenger from God, and his actions in life (through the hadiths) are just as important as the Koran, then he can't be bound to the norms of that period in history.

If he was talking and receiving messages from god, why didn't the big man upstairs tell him "Oi, Mohammed, no marrying 6 year old girls, and ****ing them when they are 9.

I can be repulsed by the whole thing and see it for what it is. I don't have to try and play historical gymnastics to try and excuse the behaviour of men supposedly inspired by the creator of the universe.

Rather than worrying about the smear, maybe you'd care to counter it with a point other than, they were all paedo's back then?

is there a reason why you continue to smear Christianity and Islam, yet appear to support Judaism?

Jesus. 03-12-2012 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 5666335)
is there a reason why you continue to smear Christianity and Islam, yet appear to support Judaism?

I don't support Judaism. It's just developed into more of a secular presence in every day life. Christianity and Islam want to have a say in the public sphere.

I'm an anti-theist. I don't believe any of it is true, and I'm glad it's not. I favour religions that are happy to keep themselves to themselves and aren't continually looking to grow.

When was the last time you saw a bunch of Jews out in the city centre trying to convert people? You don[t, and you never would. Religion in private, and staying out of the public debate is fine with me. Religion that wants to shape our public policy on abortion or anything else, is not OK with me.

Jesus. 03-12-2012 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 5666331)
try reading some of my other posts then. I didnt say you were radical militant either, youre precious ego is taking it way too personally. i was speaking of the general culture on this radical militant left wing site. I dont water it all down to pacify the left wing. I say what I believe. You shouldnt take offence.

If there was a post of the week, I would nominate this.

Radical militant left wing site? I'd probably put myself about the furthest left, or certainly close to it, but how do you explain people like Arista or Joeysteele etc, that are complete Tories?

Anyway, I'll be in the communism section of the site if you want to find me.

Dasvidaniya comrade.

Kizzy 03-12-2012 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 5666331)
try reading some of my other posts then. I didnt say you were radical militant either, youre precious ego is taking it way too personally. i was speaking of the general culture on this radical militant left wing site. I dont water it all down to pacify the left wing. I say what I believe. You shouldnt take offence.

You don't feel your guilty of taking things personally?
you are allowed to have your say, but everyone else has a radical militant left wing agenda?...
I'm not offended don't worry.

Redway 03-12-2012 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 5666335)
is there a reason why you continue to smear Christianity and Islam, yet appear to support Judaism?

The vast majority of Jews are lovely people and don't try and convert everyone. You wonder why most Christians and Muslims can't be more like the Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, who don't try and force religion on others.

MTVN 03-12-2012 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Scouse Prezzie (Post 5667223)
The vast majority of Jews are lovely people and don't try and convert everyone. You wonder why most Christians and Muslims can't be more like the Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, who don't try and force religion on others.

That's not true at all, are you not familiar with the actions of Ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel?

Judaism is no more free of fanatics and extremists than Christianity and Islam are

Redway 03-12-2012 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by King Moonracer (Post 5667256)
That's not true at all, are you not familiar with the actions of Ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel?

Judaism is no more free of fanatics and extremists than Christianity and Islam are

That may be true, but Jews don't try and convert us, do they? At least not as much as the other religions I stated.

Mystic Mock 03-12-2012 08:00 PM

Christians and Muslims are really bad for trying to force other people into there beliefs, they are the two religions aswell that have caused a load of trouble these past 10 to 15 years with terrorist acts aswell because they are so insane about there beliefs that if nobody fits the bill they would bomb them.

MTVN 03-12-2012 08:01 PM

Sure some Jews will try and convert people, the ultra-Orthodox ones like I mentioned are very strong in trying to force their beliefs onto others, obviously in this country there's a small Jewish population and a much larger Christian one so you're more likely to have a Christian accost you, it might be a different story if you lived in Israel

MTVN 03-12-2012 08:03 PM

Although I can say I've never had someone of any religion try and convert me, the overwhelming majority of religious people whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish etc. will respect your beliefs

Redway 03-12-2012 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Virgin Mock (Post 5667286)
Christians and Muslims are really bad for trying to force other people into there beliefs, they are the two religions aswell that have caused a load of trouble these past 10 to 15 years with terrorist acts aswell because they are so insane about there beliefs that if nobody fits the bill they would bomb them.

I tend to agree but it's only a very small minority of Muslims who are actually terrorists. Putting aside your own personal thoughts on the religion, those extremists are the ones who use religion to somehow alleviate and justify their stupidity.

Mystic Mock 03-12-2012 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by King Moonracer (Post 5667295)
Although I can say I've never had someone of any religion try and convert me, the overwhelming majority of religious people whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish etc. will respect your beliefs

I know that but it's the radicals that don't help these religions, I just have my own beliefs I don't really believe in any type of religion though as they all have stuff in them that make no sense to me, like Adam & Eve having two Sons and no Daughter, if that is true then are we all related to one another then? I would like to hope not as it's just wrong.

Redway 03-12-2012 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by King Moonracer (Post 5667295)
Although I can say I've never had someone of any religion try and convert me, the overwhelming majority of religious people whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish etc. will respect your beliefs

I wish I was you lol. Walking around Toxteth there are always people handing you leaflets on coming to Church and the mosque lol.

Mystic Mock 03-12-2012 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Scouse Prezzie (Post 5667302)
I tend to agree but it's only a very small minority of Muslims who are actually terrorists. Putting aside your own personal thoughts on the religion, those extremists are the ones who use religion to somehow alleviate and justify their stupidity.

I know, but I always find that the radicals are really high up in these religions so it doesn't make them look good.

Livia 03-12-2012 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by King Moonracer (Post 5667293)
Sure some Jews will try and convert people, the ultra-Orthodox ones like I mentioned are very strong in trying to force their beliefs onto others, obviously in this country there's a small Jewish population and a much larger Christian one so you're more likely to have a Christian accost you, it might be a different story if you lived in Israel

Jews welcome converts, but do not recruit converts.

Of course, I can't speak for the nuttier sects.

Marsh. 03-12-2012 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Scouse Prezzie (Post 5667223)
The vast majority of Jews are lovely people and don't try and convert everyone. You wonder why most Christians and Muslims can't be more like the Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, who don't try and force religion on others.

Ridiculous generalisation.

You can't speak for the "majority" of any religion or group of people.

It's like saying all Liverpudlians are thieves, unsubstantiated hyperbole. You get crackpots everywhere, religious or not.

Redway 03-12-2012 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Marshmallow (Post 5667356)
Ridiculous generalisation.

You can't speak for the "majority" of any religion or group of people.

It's like saying all Liverpudlians are thieves, unsubstantiated hyperbole. You get crackpots everywhere, religious or not.

I know but I'm on about the ones I've come across.

InOne 03-12-2012 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Scouse Prezzie (Post 5667434)
I know but I'm on about the ones I've come across.

Do you live in the 'Little Israel' area of Liverpool?

Redway 03-12-2012 09:02 PM

No, I actually live in Anfield (not too far from the stadium) but I do have friends I visit down there. Used to live not too far from it though (the Dingle).

the truth 03-12-2012 09:43 PM

Its nonsense comparism. there are 2 billion Christians and only a few million Jews so gues swhat there will be more Christians who you bump into and maybe try to persuade you to their views. however Christians are nowhere near as hardline as muslims in general and Jews to a lesser extend. Though the Jewish approach in Israel is totally hard line and saldy doomed to failiure.

the truth 03-12-2012 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Marshmallow (Post 5667356)
Ridiculous generalisation.

You can't speak for the "majority" of any religion or group of people.

It's like saying all Liverpudlians are thieves, unsubstantiated hyperbole. You get crackpots everywhere, religious or not.

100% agree with that. I would add Christians do laugh at themselves and do take criticism better than other religions such as Islam. they did a show on bbc jerry springer the opera, portraying Christ as an alcoholoic incontinent and Joseph as a paedophile. yes people polutely complained by letter but the show went on. they did a show criticizing Mohammad on stage and the muslims burnt the place down. Jews do have great humour but again the hardliners are too quick to accuse some of anti-semitism, sometimes its too the detriment of healthy debate imho

Marsh. 03-12-2012 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Scouse Prezzie (Post 5667434)
I know but I'm on about the ones I've come across.

Well I find it difficult to believe you've come across and spent enough time with people from all these different religious groups to come to the conclusion you did.

Either way, you should refrain from using phrases like "vast majority" when it's nowhere near the case.


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