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sassysocks 24-08-2013 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kistar (Post 6328314)
So are you shocked ? it wasn't alluded to the word was put quite clearly , hopefully you will let them know your thoughts on the subject .

We don't all have to share your views on that. We all know what word we are talking about - whether someone actually typed it in full is pretty incidental.

fingers 24-08-2013 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 6328282)
Frankly I'm shocked that you're shocked.

And what James said is true, they should never have broadcast it in the first place.

I wasn't shocked, merely surprised and Germyle DIDN'T "type it in full" it was a variation that left nothing to the imagination

The full transcripts are in this thread >http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...=236218&page=3

By the way Robertson's the Jam makers also fell foul of 20th Century PC correctness and had to replace a trade mark, as did A.G Barr the manufacturers of Barr's Irn Bru.

Josy 24-08-2013 11:09 PM

It doesn't matter if it was quoted she still used the word when there was no need for it.

joeysteele 24-08-2013 11:11 PM

The warning was over the top and unwarranted.

However Carol would have been better not even bringing the episode up anyway in the first place so may now learn to hold in her comments on others.

Jemal 24-08-2013 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 6328380)
It doesn't matter if it was quoted she still used the word when there was no need for it.

EXACTLY!
All she needed to say was say he had a race row. These lost women always have big Gobs. Lord knows why they don't use their brain. Denise looks like queen compared to carol ffs.

kistar 24-08-2013 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sassysocks (Post 6328346)
We don't all have to share your views on that. We all know what word we are talking about - whether someone actually typed it in full is pretty incidental.

You don't know my views on that , and if you read the posts Livia said she had never seen the word actually written , also I think the fact someone wrote Shut up ------ is a vital part of this convo seeing as how the word itself prompts such a lot of controversy.

Withano 24-08-2013 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 6328327)
I think you of all people on here know my thoughts on words and beliefs like this, so it's certainly not a case of me condoning the use of the word.

I should've made it clear in the OP that my issue is with these endless 'formal warnings' they give out, in the past you would have had to repeat certain actions a few times to receive one, now it seems they'll give one out regardless. Housemates used to be reprimanded and threatened with a formal warning if they were to repeat the same behaviour, and that's exactly what I think would've been sufficient in this circumstance. A reminder that although she was just quoting what had been said and Big Brother understood that, just not to use it again or she'd then receive a formal warning. That's my issue.

Big Brother only gave her a warning because the language was inappropriate and obviously we both agree that the language she used definitely was. Its not an appropriate word to use in any context on any TV show.

There are several ways she could have explained what Ron did without saying anything close to the n word.

I don't understand yours or anybody elses huff about this whole thing. A girl used a horrible word and was warned not to do it again.

Everybody should be happy.

KingBilly 24-08-2013 11:18 PM

omg did she say nig**r?

fingers 24-08-2013 11:25 PM

They constantly censor Live Feed but decide to BROADCAST a clip that they deem to be racist so that they can have a huge headline in their OWN newspaper about racism in CBB. It beggars belief.

swinearefine 24-08-2013 11:31 PM

I actually cannot believe she got a warning over that. Even knowing what PC bastards BB is, I never would have believed they would do that given the context of simply quoting someone. And it's completely hypocritical because Big Brother then used the word THEMSELVES so their justification that any use of the word at all is inappropriate is total bull****. I switched off immediately and I'm done with this series.

flamingGalah! 24-08-2013 11:39 PM

They have got pathetic with their warnings! Completely stupid when the likes of Connor who should have actually been thrown out of the house, was given money to leave, now they are dishing out warnings like biscuits at a coffee morning! :idc:

I agree with others that this is purely for the sake of Desmond's trashy rag so that they can have Carol on the front page, making her out to be a member of the Ku Klux Klan :rolleyes:

Kizzy 24-08-2013 11:48 PM

I think she did it on purpose, let's hope her career goes the same way as his desperate old mare. (In case anyone's in any doubt I don't like carol mcgiffin)

Lex 24-08-2013 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6328068)
Why didn't she keep her silly old gob shut?

I've just said this on a different thread , and think that it fits here as well Kizzy!

It's true that I like Ron Atkinson...and am glad to be supporting him [though i'm pleased that he'll probably be evicted on wednesday...because I feel that he is way out of his comfort zone and has already been paid for his appearance anyway]....but my point is that 'BOTH' Carole and Louie were playing a rather obvious game of besmirching a fellow contestants name to the public...and got caught out [well at least one of them did]!...Spence pretending that he didn't know was a pile of crap, taller than he is!!...Everybody has known that Ron Atkinson was going to be on the show for weeks!...Are we supposed to believe that when he found out that he was going to be joining him in the house...that he wouldn't just google big Ron's wiki page and know everything that he wanted to know? [and that goes for all of them!]....Is it a coincidence that Ron was the only housemate that Louie thought "he wouldn't have anything in common with"?...Ha! Ha!...i'll bet that him and Bruce are going to be bezzies! :joker:
And it has been twice that McGiffin has brought Ron's past cock-up to our attention in a matter of 1-2 days...in the DR and to Louie...do you not smell a particularly cut-throat game plan from the daytime dragon?? :whistle:

Cheers.

Videostar 25-08-2013 12:02 AM

Why doesn't Carol have the guts and admit, she doesn't like Ron, and stop re-hashing Ron's comment that he made around 10 years ago.

Carol is the one acting like some sort of moral guardian.

Lex 25-08-2013 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Videostar (Post 6328748)
Why doesn't Carol have the guts and admit, she doesn't like Ron, and stop re-hashing Ron's comment that he made around 10 years ago.

Carol is the one acting like some sort of moral guardian.

It's 'the loose women way' Videostar! :joker:

Videostar 25-08-2013 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Lex (Post 6328786)
It's 'the loose women way' Videostar! :joker:

:joker:

MTVN 25-08-2013 12:12 AM

Tbf I think they should be obliged to disclose it every time a housemate gets a warning, it's something the viewers should know. And although people are criticising them now for airing it everyone was slating the producers during BB13 because they didn't show a lot of the warnings, seems they're sorta damned if they do, damned if they don't :shrug:

Jamie. 25-08-2013 12:15 AM

What was said? I missed it because I was collecting my take away LOL.

Miss it all.

Videostar 25-08-2013 12:15 AM

Does Ron know yet that his "racist comment" he made along time ago has been openly discussed by Carol with other people behind his back?

Lee. 25-08-2013 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 6328240)
We've had several conversations on this forum about the "N word" and I've yet to see anyone type it out in full. If we can manage to discuss it without putting the actual word out there, you'd think that Carol, a media professional supposedly, would be able to manage it too. She didn't repeat the quote in the privacy of her own home, she said it on Big Brother with cameras on her.

Lol.. I did type it in full! It's obviously censored by the swear filter.

I honestly can't think if a more offensive word.. But I don't think a hm quoting some ody else can be deemed offensive.

CaudleHalbard 25-08-2013 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Videostar (Post 6328830)
Does Ron know yet that his "racist comment" he made along time ago has been openly discussed by Carol with other people behind his back?

I doubt he cares. He's in total denial about it anyway: his view is he did more than any other football manager to advance black players.

Videostar 25-08-2013 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard (Post 6328847)
I doubt he cares. He's in total denial about it anyway: his view is he did more than any other football manager to advance black players.

And his view would be correct.

Turtle 25-08-2013 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 6328380)
It doesn't matter if it was quoted she still used the word when there was no need for it.

It does matter though.

There's a difference between using a word and using it in the context of a quote.

Don't you see, the PC brigade have restricted language to the point that context doesn't matter anymore. Even if you say something in context, it will now only be taken out of context, on its own.

Rob! 25-08-2013 12:23 AM

Just watched it..

Errr..

I do find it bizarre that they bleeped Carol using the word and then Big Brother said it uncensored. Maybe there's a rule about how many times they can use it?
I've got an issue with the fact about how private the conversation Carol and Louis were having - she was practically whispering. Carol dealt with it VERY well.

Turtle 25-08-2013 12:29 AM

I wish there was a proper Libertarian movement in the UK, so people could get of the poison teat of the sociopathic nanny state.

Rob! 25-08-2013 12:32 AM

The loose woman are going to be going ape at this on Monday :joker:

BigBuk 25-08-2013 01:08 AM

If she used the N bomb she should be warned, why couldn't she have said "he used the n word" or something along those lines? Fair warning, the words offensive, she should of known better.

G1dds 25-08-2013 01:30 AM

[QUOTE=Lord Of The Garden;6328152]
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Originally Posted by Brother Leon (Post 6328133)
Doesn't matter if it was used in an offensive way or not. Just using the word is unacceptable and would be offensive to loads of people watching.


So it's ok for Big Brother to say it when they quote someone else's use of the word

But it's not ok for Carol say it when she quote's someone else's use of the word

That makes sense!!




^ this.

It was absolutely ridiculous that Carol gets a formal warning for saying the word that BB then repeats :/ A reminder of the rules would have been better considering she was only quoting Ron, as BB did her

Not very well thought out BB :/

Scream 25-08-2013 01:54 AM

I, along with everyone else would understand if Carol directed it at someone but she didn't. It's ridiculous that we live in a world where we are banned from sayings words...if she wasn't saying it to be offensive I don't see what the problem is? She was quoting although maybe she could of done without saying what Ron actually said and could of just said he made a racist remark...in general I think we should be allowed to speak freely as long as we're not being offensive

Josy 25-08-2013 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Turtle (Post 6328864)
It does matter though.

There's a difference between using a word and using it in the context of a quote.

Don't you see, the PC brigade have restricted language to the point that context doesn't matter anymore. Even if you say something in context, it will now only be taken out of context, on its own.

It doesn't matter what context it was used in, Carol repeating the word Ron used could have caused offence to viewers hence the warning from BB, they weren't saying Carol was being racist by quoting Ron but there was still no need for her to repeat something that caused offence to a lot of people.

Marsh. 25-08-2013 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Brother Leon (Post 6328058)
Because she still used an inappropriate word? I guarantee if they did not blank it out then some people would of been pissed.

You don't say the word even if quoting someone. Not hard to just say "he said the n bomb". Fair warning.

Big Brother themselves quoted what Carol said.

They essentially warned/punished Carol for doing exactly what BB themselves did.

They can state an offensive word because it's in a reference/quote but Carol was doing exactly the same.

PC gone mad.

Marsh. 25-08-2013 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 6329249)
It doesn't matter what context it was used in, Carol repeating the word Ron used could have caused offence to viewers hence the warning from BB, they weren't saying Carol was being racist by quoting Ron but there was still no need for her to repeat something that caused offence to a lot of people.

How is Carol saying the n word in reference any different to BB themselves quoting it back to Carol?

It's hypocritical and ridiculous.

erinp5 25-08-2013 04:41 AM

Ironic. Carol trying to bad mouth Ron by telling Louie what word he called someone and she used the same word!!!!! It's offensive .YOU DON'T USE THE WORD.

BeloTheBelt 25-08-2013 05:34 AM

Ok, my 2 pennyworth is that BB is hypocritical for warning Carol for using the N word and then broadcasting the full word themselves.
I also think people should maybe research Ron and what he said to be labelled a racist in the first place. Not defending him but It was a throwaway comment about a black footballer and he was trying to say that he needs to work really really hard for his team who were struggling in a match Ron was commentating on.his choice of words was unfortunate and foolish and I dont believe meant to be racist but merely the way old school people used to speak in the early 1970s (eg til death us do part), along the lines of "he needs to work like a N..... ". Its actually a compliment to black people suggesting that they work harder than other coloured skinned people.its just that the term used is not acceptable anymore as black people take offence to it...well, unless they call each other it, then its ok, apparantly.
Sorry if this offends anyone, i hope not, just trying to clarify

Ammi 25-08-2013 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BeloTheBelt (Post 6329365)
Ok, my 2 pennyworth is that BB is hypocritical for warning Carol for using the N word and then broadcasting the full word themselves.
I also think people should maybe research Ron and what he said to be labelled a racist in the first place. Not defending him but It was a throwaway comment about a black footballer and he was trying to say that he needs to work really really hard for his team who were struggling in a match Ron was commentating on.his choice of words was unfortunate and foolish and I dont believe meant to be racist but merely the way old school people used to speak in the early 1970s (eg til death us do part), along the lines of "he needs to work like a N..... ". Its actually a compliment to black people suggesting that they work harder than other coloured skinned people.its just that the term used is not acceptable anymore as black people take offence to it...well, unless they call each other it, then its ok, apparantly.
Sorry if this offends anyone, i hope not, just trying to clarify

..I agree with you that it was completely hypocritical and wrong of BB to then repeat the word themselves when they had just warned Carol for relating the same thing..but it's not an 'old school' word, it was never and acceptable word and Till Death Do Us Part isn't the best analogy because Alf Garnett was portrayed as a complete racist and bigot...but I do agree that Ron probably used the word out of complete annoyance and frustration at the time and nothing else..

camertone 25-08-2013 09:25 AM

it has happened before, in bb8, emily also quoted the n word that somebody else used and then she was removed from the house immediately.

fingers 25-08-2013 09:31 AM

BB has 24 hours of House activities to create the 40 odd minutes of HLs . they chose to broadcast THAT solely so that they could create another RACISM IN BB headline in today's Sunday Scum.

Lord Of The Garden 25-08-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by erinp5 (Post 6329327)
Ironic. Carol trying to bad mouth Ron by telling Louie what word he called someone and she used the same word!!!!! It's offensive .YOU DON'T USE THE WORD.

Words by themselves are not a problem - it's the INTENTION behind them that makes all the the difference.

Calling someone a N- and meaning it is 100% seriously offensive, it doesn't get much worse.

But yesterday Carol used the word when quoting someone else. And Big Brother did exactly the same thing! Neither of them was 'being' racist, just quoting someone else's use of the word. But Carol got a warning for it. Will Big Brother now follow it's own logic and give itself the same warning it gave Carol ?!

How about all court cases that deal with racist abuse? Should the judge, police and prosecution all receive warnings every time they quote other people's use of the word?

Should we burn every hip hop album, every blaxploitation comedy, every novel that uses the word even when they are using it as a way of mocking and thereby exposing and disarming actual racism?

muchadoaboutnothing 25-08-2013 10:23 AM

Carol likes her drink (a bit like the other loose woman - Denese) and unfortunately can't control her emotions or actions. If Carol keeps drinking like it is tap water it will be the ruin of her (having said that Denese did go on to win so the drinking didn't do her any harm).

Jesus. 25-08-2013 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by camertone (Post 6329517)
it has happened before, in bb8, emily also quoted the n word that somebody else used and then she was removed from the house immediately.

Emily didn't quote anyone. She said to Charlie "push it out, my ni**er".


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