..now you're being offensive, there are many, many people of Ron's age who never make racial remarks, I'm not that far removed from his 'era' myself..it isn't about 'drama', he knows himself that what he said was wrong, but BB were completely right to give him a warning...

Both warnings were justified. I'm glad that it looks like a lot of people are disagreeing with the OP.

it wasn't a remark, it was a joke

[QUOTE=sassysocks;6331566]Age has NOTHING to do with it, just grasping at straws trying to think of liable excuses.

We have couple of cabinet ministers aged 70+.... involved in making decisions which can affect our everyday lives.

Many judges are 70+ as well.

Oh, I guess that makes it totally fine then. No harm done. http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/...wr/shakeno.gif

A weaker memory that comes with age is not the same as dementia. He can have one without the other.

I'm not getting offended on anyone's behalf, I'm responding to your claim that Muslims wouldn't be offended by the connotation that their race/religion/clothing makes them a terrorist.

YOU commented about the reaction of Muslims to such a joke and I responded.

depends on your philosophy on humor, I guess. Some people feel like nothing in comedy should be off limits, some believe differently.

What a load of rubbish, that's the most ageist comment in the thread tbh.

A whole different environment.

And what makes you a spokesperson for the Muslim community? Getting offended on their behalf is exactly what you're doing.

So your memory depends on where you're located.. give me a break.

BB/C5 don't want any complaints to Ofcom.

A warning was inevitable. End of.

Find me a post where I've been offended on anyone's behalf.

Find me a post where I claimed to be the spokesperson for the Muslim community.

YOU brought up a possible reaction from Muslims, I responded to it.

..no one is being a 'spokesperson'..people are pointing out that it was a racst joke, which it was..Ron himself realised that and they were right to pull him up on it and give him a warning...

Really. What do you know about it? It is a medical fact that the memory of most fifty year olds is not what is was in their 20's. By the age of 70 - that is even more so for most.

He was just making conversation and before he knew it was jumped on for saying something allegedly offensive - which clearly came as quite a shock to him.

You're acting as if the bloke has dementia, it's total ludicrous. Allegedly offensive? IT WAS OFFENSIVE can you not grasp why he was warned?

If anything I think the people claiming that muslims wouldn't be offended by that joke are trying to act as spokespeople.

A memory worse than you had in your 20s does not equate to invalid who can't think about what they're saying.

If his brain can associate a jumper on someone's head with a head scarf and formulate a joke about terrorists...

He said something which might have offended a viewer or viewers.

BB is ultra sensitive after the Shilpa Shetty farrago.

I would have been amazed if Ron had not got a warning.

Yes it does. He was in a stressful environment unfamiliar to him - a known cause and effect scenario. Memory can be very much affected by stress.

You can't win on this site its just wearing. It should be called what-can-we-be-offended-about-today.com

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He wasn't stressed whatsoever, he's been calm and collected the whole time..
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..also because they gave Carol a warning yesterday for relating something but saying the word..(even though they said it themselves...that part was wrong..)...I actually still don't think Ron is a racist as such, I think he's more of an idiot but the joke was racist and the warning was completely justified ...

...so is it that he's old..his environment..stress of the BB house..?...I actually don't think he is racist as such but the joke was and I he hasn't disputed it..?...he was very silly, people can still like him, it doesn't make him a bad person or take away from anything positive in him but he did make a racist joke and that can't be denied...

[QUOTE=reece(:;6331577]If you say so, but you clearly have no understanding of such things. Enjoy your little coccoon - one day you will understand.

[QUOTE=sassysocks;6331686]Keep making silly excuses up:xyxwave:

I found it a very strange and stupid response to someone covering their head .

Whilst i'm at it I would like to point out how the pathetic attitude on here and how infractions are dealt out are ridiculous.

I've just been infracted for this post:

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"Yea cos thats the same isnt it? Honestly. People on here could cause an argument in an airing cupboard.

Getting offended on behalf of other people is offensive in itself. You're all just cheapening the real issues so that you can use big words and get all haughty over something on the internet. "

Now, if someone was to call someone a dirty n****r they would receive the same warning.

Do you not see the problem with this?

Ban me, I don't ****ing care anymore. This place is an absolute joke.

[QUOTE=sassysocks;6331686]..tbh I think it's Ron that needs to understand otherwise he's obviously keeping on saying these stupid things which aren't helping him at all..

Jeez are they for real?..... Why not give charlotte a warning about the crude stuff she's saying?

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Yeah, I get stressed when I'm surrounded by people I don't know. So my mind works fine but strangely forgets that homophobia is offensive and I start hurling abuse at gay people. It's not my fault, I forgot.

Because racism is a totally different, more serious subject to crudeness.

That's like the club comedians who warn the audience that the next joke is going to be 'a bit blue' and then tell a p*ki joke. Hilarious. All in good humour, bit naughty, not for the kiddies, but only having a laugh. No harm done. Nothing meant by it.

Except there is harm done. It all adds to the general anti-muslim noise in our society.

And maybe some 'ordinary muslims' might laugh and take no offence. Some others might laugh along and not show they're stung by it. Because it's all just banter right?

It's all banter 'til some ****wit petrol bombs a mosque, or spraypaints 'Al Qaeda' on a muslim family's front door. It's all banter til members of your community are getting stopped and searched on a semi-regular basis because they look a bit suspicious in this climate of Islamaphobia.

Does it make him a bad man? No. Does it warrant some kind of censure? Absolutely.

And I do wish people would stop wheeling out the age thing. He's quick thinking enough to come up with snappy comments and one liners. It is rather unfortunate that some of his humour seems founded in racial stereotypes.

Both. He said himself - that once it was pointed out to him, he could see their point, but at the time it hadn't occurred to him.

And that was likely to be partly because of the attitudes he grew up with typical of his generation and partly to do with not being able to think quickly enough about every word he says before saying it.

Couldn't believe they gave him a warning for it.
Channel 5 are losing the plot.
And no in not a racist

But the judgements made about her because of it is sexism which is just as serious as racism - but I don't see people get hot under the collar about that.

There are quite a few people getting 'hot under the collar' about that. Just not in this thread.

It is possible to be bothered about both at the same time.

I was gob smacked when he said it. It was racist no matter what way you look at it, it stereotyped Muslims (or religions that wear head scarves) to be a terrorist.

It was definitely justified.