you could be in your own home with your kids and the doors and windows locked, you have a smoke but fail to put it out properly it causes a fire in which your kid dies, another mistake!

Oh my god.. I cannot with what sheriffs posting atm.. -_-

That would be your fault for not putting your fag out properly.

But what relevance has it to this?

I can see why the parents were the main suspects.

Anything can happen to anyone, but that doesn't excuse making it easier for the criminals by leaving your children alone.

Anyone who doesn't understand that is rather dull tbqh.

a loving parent making a mistake in their own home as opposed to being on holiday.

You honestly see this as just a mistake sheriff?

What about other neglectful parents? How about those who 'forget' to feed their kids and stuff(yes I can bring in totally irrelevant things too). Is that just a mistake too? Obviously you don't think child neglect is a serious matter. Which is quite worrying.

yes because when you go to a resort you are thinking about your child being kidnapped, its not the normal thing that goes on holiday, more kids drown in the resort pools than are kidnapped.

But it's an entirely separate mistake.

Unless you mean deliberately leave a lit fag lying about it's not comparable to knowingly leaving your children (who were practically babies) in an unsecure room in a foreign country whilst you get pissed with friends.

You don't have to think about them getting kidnapped.

They are small children abroad, alone at night. They could have a fall, serious accident, wander off into the street. It's neglect.

I'll stop here because I refuse to believe you can't see this.

a mistake is different from neglect.

you are trying to be little my opinion by saying things that I have not said or agree with.

Indeed it is. However in this case, it was definitely neglect and not a mistake.

Anyway, I am with marsh here. I dont believe you actually believe what you are posting and I think you are looking for an argument tbh.

Im in disbelief at the CRAP (no pun intended) sheriff is posting lmao.

Pun? :suspect:

im not looking for an argument or arguing with you or marsh.
we have a difference of opinion.
mcanns where not bad parents, they made a mistake that will haunt them for the rest of their lives.

I don't think they're bad parents, but i don't understand why they left the kids alone in a foreign country. That's madness.

if you cant accept my opinion that's fine, but don't be rude to me!

A mistake they made 5 times. Their child already told them they were left scared and crying on night 4, yet they repeated the occurrence on night 5.

That's selfishness plain and simple.

Also because, did they need to wine and dine each and every night of the holiday? They couldn't spare just one night to stay in with the kids?

I'm not being rude to you, cause i like you as a member.
But my opinion is that what you have been posting is crap lol.

you are being rude, agree to disagree.

Really need to watch this when/if it becomes available online.

its not easy being a parent, good parents will know this.

No one said it's easy. But not leaving babies alone in a foreign country is common sense in my book.

Even if you take the threat of kidnap out of the equation, all kinds of accidents could have taken place. What if the crying kid came to look for you and wandered out onto the street (as the apartment wasn't securely locked either)?

How. I have said nothing directed AT YOU. Everything i have said is about the posts you have been making. If your gonna say ive been rude about your posts then so be it.. But if you say I have been rude to YOU, sorry I won't have that cause i know i haven't been rude to you AT ALL.

Me too.

Lord knows why they couldn't AT LEAST Get a takeaway and a wine and just have it while the kids were asleep. Then they could get down to business in the bedroom to pass the night away *shrugs*

A mistake is something done accidentally. Leaving their children alone like that was a decision, not a mistake. If it had just been the once I could possibly put it down to being a (seriously) bad judgement call. Good parents can make stupid decisions.


HOWEVER - she asked them where they were the night before, told them that they had been crying, and they CHOSE to go out and do it again?? That's so selfish and emotionally neglectful that it's actually vile. It's genuinely uncaring and cruel. "We know you were upset and crying last night honey but hey, who gives a ****, we're going out again because it's our holiday and we want to :)".

That's not just "bad parenting", that's being a nasty, ****ty person in general. Any adult who would willingly leave a child alone like that again AFTER being told that they were scared and crying the last time - be that their parent or not - is an absolute scumbag.

It'll be on here, but not sure when http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ch_14_10_2013/

if you think my posts are crap, you think im talking crap and posting this you are being rude.

You should watch it GG,very interesting:hugesmile:

the decision was a mistake, kids wake up and cry that's what kids do.

Yes. Good parents know that it's not easy being a parent, and therefore accept that when they go on holiday with their young children, they won't be able to go out at night and leave them unattended. That's WHY it isn't easy.

If you just carry on living like a couple with no kids, taking their safety and happiness for granted, and pop out with your mates for a meal leaving them alone - then parenting DOES sound pretty "easy".

And then it ends like this.

Good parenting isn't easy because good parents sacrifice things like social gatherings in order to look after their kids.

Man i give up. Whatever.

I have kids. I know they wake up and cry. And that's why I'm never more than 2 rooms away to go and comfort them.

Are you seriously saying "kids wake up and cry" and so it's OK for you to be nowhere to be found? Possibly not coming back for HALF AN HOUR? They can just deal with it, accept that they are alone (in a strange bed, in another country no less) and that's fine?

Kids waking up terrified because they're alone in a house is something very different.

Crying because of a nightmare you can't control, crying because they're in strange surroundings.

Madeleine was left alone with TWO BABIES. There's no excuse. As Madeleine herself said, she didn't even know where the parents were. She wasn't to know they were just around the corner having a nice time, it's cruel.

It wasn't a mistake. It was **** parenting. In fact, if by some miracle she was found alive they shouldn't get her back as their **** parenting put her in danger int he first place. I would never leave my niece alone when looking after her and go out for more than an hour or so at night and If I did my sister certainly would not see it as some sort of honest mistake..she would knock the stuffing out of me lol.

I haven't seen the program yet but have been reading the responses in here... why are they letting all of this dirty laundry be aired for the sake of a TV program that in all likelihood isn't going to achieve anything because the crime was committed 6 years ago? All I can think is that they want people to hate them so that they keep talking about them. Bizarre, they're seeking negative attention.

I could never enjoy a meal and drinks with friends if my 3 babies were alone and I could never do it especially in a foreign country where the people around them are strangers,,I flap when my little one is in his cot asleep and I hang the washing out.

I honestly dont understand why the lot of them took the kids at all if they wanted it to be an adults holiday...which they obviously did given what they did.

If I wanted to go on holiday with friends and go out every night, I would leave the kids with grandparents/family. Not just abandon the kids alone when I fancied it. And if there was noone to watch them, I either wouldn't go, or I would sacrifice my nights on the piss. And I would hope all other parents would have the sense to do the same..obviously not :shrug:

There should always be someone there to comfort them though. Yes kids wake up and cry, but it is unreasonable to expect them to just cry themselves back to sleep because you are out having a good time.