he didnt compare it to a disability. youre taking his words out of context which is really disingenuous of you. he has the right to his opinions, just as you and others here have a right to hate Christians. However evander didnt stereotype every gay person on earth the way posters are here against Christians , nor did he say they are brainwashed the way poisters say here about millions of Christians. truth is you nor I nor anyone can speak for all gay people, all hetro people, or all Christians. every is different. why someone is hetro or homosexual or non sexual or bi sexual or even a paedophile , who knows? the whole issue is multi factorial. was I born hetrosexual , fancying big chested women ? was my mates born fancying or loving blonde women? men? I dont know. its definietly not as black and white as some posters here claim

was jimmy saville born a paedophile? if he was does that mean all paedophiles are born that way? I dont know. Im not so arrogant as some posters to claim to know the black and white answers to every persons sexuality on the planet

youre the one throwing insults , please refrain from more endless hypocrisy. Youre the one who labelled vast millions of Christians as brainwashed. youre the one who stereotypes gay people and Christians. who are you to judge how and why someone makes their sexual choices? theres billions of people , each of whom is an individual, they dont all think exactly like you, nor do they have to. Youre anti Christian words and stereotypes are far more discriminatory than anything evander said

I'm guessing that she has done her homework,and knows fine well that they won't evict 2 people after only 3 days! Even if they did,she would come out smelling of roses? Why would you ask a heavyweight boxer "Are there many gay boxers?"? I'm guessing there are some,but they probably don't advertise the fact! It was such a loaded question,especially if he had mentioned his religious beliefs previously?!?

Erm I am Christian? You don't know me.

she made it appear that way for sure. easily done by a master manipulator. strange how no one else got evander into such a tricky situation. why even bring up such a controversial subject out of the blue like that? no doubt she was watching for the live camera the moment she spoke

and you dont know the billions of people youre stereotyping

Not at all.

I didn't want to be gay ive had several relationships with women but I met a guy and the penny dropped.

I have experienced both sides and know who truly who I am by doing so.

Oh come on! Maybe she was looking for drama or whatever but that doesn't excuse what he said or make it her fault that he thinks that way. We're all responsible for ourselves and what we say

we are , hes responsible and so is she for being a devious manipulative cow. i wish someone had warned him about her

ok good for you, thats your experience. it doesnt mean everyone elses is exactly the same

It is when you choose to ignore it.

Anyway you just dodged my question so obviously you cannot give an opinion if you have never experienced it.

Its like me reviewing a song without ever even hearing it.

Out of the blue? They talk 24/7 topics like this will come up, it was just a question asking if there was any gay boxers. I'd most likely ask that too Evander after a day of conversations running dry & being 1 on 1 all the time. It was a harmless question, it's not her fault he expanded on his answer after she told him too stop multiple times & even warned him its not suitable too have this conversation in the BB house with camera's

Someone "warning" him about her would not have made his views any less homophobic

so no one is allowed an opinion on anything unless they do it themselves? so football fans cant discuss football? the public cant discuss politics? only news readers can discuss the news? funny how you dont want to be judged yet you judge other people whos lives you know almost nothing of, nor have you walked in their shoes....you even stereotype fellow Christiana and gay people which is what youre meant to be preaching agsint...utter hypocritical nonsense

But you said earlier though you never chose to be gay. Implying that sexuality is not a choice. Which it is entirely a choice for many people.

Obviously I cannot make too strong of a judgement as I know nothing about you. But you seem to be contradicting your previous comments.

Either way. Sexuality is complex. There is no simple answer to it and it is different for every individual.

..I don't think that's true, Daniel..that you cannot give an opinion on something unless you have personally experienced it...the same could be said of anything really..say, for instance you could have an opinion of someone with bad parenting skills and maybe you're not a parent yourself but your opinion would be just as valid as anyone else's...but I would say that it's probably correct to say that you wouldn't have had the experience and that's something that people in general who have opinions should listen to...people who have 'lived' a particular experience..?..but even then, different experiences and views etc would probably differ....

I was the person who said you were being heterophobic,in a lighthearted post,to try to diffuse the volatile situation last night! You said that "straight" people could never understand how gay people feel. I explained how I knew,and then you accused me of saying that gay people chose to be gay,which I didn't!! When I pointed out that I'm fully aware that most people are born gay,you chose to ignore me!?!:conf:

she asked him but immediately interrupted him by saying out of the blue all the right cliches, its great to be gay etc she wwas clearly trying to provoke him and provoke a reaction. she also didnt allow him to explain himself properly. shes far more educated and knows big brother and PC britian inside out. she knew he was naive uneducated ineloquent and in a totlaly alien environment. so set him up for the fall, easily done. funny she doesnt ask him about his charity work or the foundations hes set up for disadvantaged kids? funny how she ignored him when he was discussing his career etc
shes toxic and will prove to be so over the next few weeks.....obviosuly she had no idea such a topic could become controversial? no never. shes not very bright is she?

Evander was very lucky he was talking too Luisa & no one else, anyone else would have wanted too know more of what Evander had too say, or argued causing him too spill more homophobic views that would have ruined his reputation. Instead Luisa just wanted too end the conversation & stop him from digging his own grave, if she had been staring at the camera's & wanting attention as you say, she would have argued against Evander forcefully showing the public, but instead she ended the conversation.

Truely a great girl, my opinion of her has risen massively

Evander was very lucky he was talking too Luisa & no one else, anyone else would have wanted too know more of what Evander had too say, or argued causing him too spill more homophobic views that would have ruined his reputation. Instead Luisa just wanted too end the conversation & stop him from digging his own grave, if she had been staring at the camera's & wanting attention as you say, she would have argued against Evander forcefully showing the public, but instead she ended the conversation.

Truely a great girl, my opinion of her has risen massively

hes contradicted himself all over the place. sexuality is very very complex and its not as black and white as the politically correct thought police are demanding it to be seen as.

I just dont get the "poor me" image you want to portray

How do you know she doesn't? do you have 24/7 live feed? :conf:
Yet again all she did was ask a question.
You need too stop with your misagynistic views.

You told me I wasn't Christian lol. That's totally pathetic.

You have turned this thread into a total farce yet again throwing insults at forum members.

I am not a bigot I was siding with him when I said he was brought up in a very religious environment and that's effected his views on homosexuals. I did not call all Christians brainwashed bur religion can do that to a person and America is a very religious country. Its even illegal to be gay in some parts there still.

You can also choose to change your religion like for instance joining scientology or turning to choosing to join the muslim community which a lot of people do.

Some people can be brainwashed, we see it all the time Look at people who are brainwashed by the Taliban.

Just please tell me though how you know that I am not a Christian lol what a stupid thing to say.

Anyway what he said was homophobic that's fact, he has a right to his opinion and I respect that but what he said did offend me and I don't get offended often especially by a tv show.

I am not a prejudiced person which is a person that is racist,, sexist, homophobic, Hetrophobic, chauvinist, or an anti-Semite: Evander falls into that category im afraid. I am none of those things.

Can someone please post the transcript to prove the things hes said and get this over with.

[QUOTE=daniel-lewis-1985;6591664]You told me I wasn't Christian lol. That's totally pathetic.

You have turned this thread into a total farce yet again throwing insults at forum members.

I am not a bigot I was siding with him when I said he was brought up in a very religious environment and that's effected his views on homosexuals. I did not call all Christians brainwashed bur religion can do that to a person and America is a very religious country. Its even illegal to be gay in some parts there still.

You can also choose to change your religion like for instance joining scientology or turning to choosing to join the muslim community which a lot of people do.

Some people can be brainwashed, we see it all the time Look at people who are brainwashed by the Taliban.

Just please tell me though how you know that I am not a Christian lol what a stupid thing to say.

Anyway what he said was homophobic that's fact, he has a right to his opinion and I respect that but what he said did offend me and I don't get offended often especially by a tv show.

Can someone please post the transcript to prove the things hes said and get this over with.[/QUOTE]

Daniel ,you opened this thread, but now you dont want people to voice their opinions ?

It will never be over until you accept youre worng to label all Christians and all gay people exactly the same. that is stereotyping discrimination for which you wrongly accuse others of. its insane hypocrisy

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This is the problem with this debate,it's "us" and "them",no middle ground at all!?! You're for us,or against us!!:nono: I agree with freedom of speech,but I am totally against homophobia,so I'm stuck in the middle. I then have to consider what was said,the context in which it was said,and whether it was intended to offend!?! Oh if only everything was black and white,not in a racist way?? :conf:

I didn't say that though did I. Why are so so extreme and twist people posts?

The public can discus ANYTHING but their opinion but if they are talking about something they have no knowledge of then their opinion is just void.

Oh and Football fans can obviously discuss it if they are fans lol im sorry I didn't know people were born football fans.

are you also against discrimination against religious people and hetrosexual men? or do you just pick and choose what disrimination youre opposed to depending on your own agenda?

I wouldn't have expected anything else to come from his mouth on this subject. Ignorant, on so many levels and homophobic claptrap.
He's a product of his environment and not very bright. He's been raised and carried on following fundamentalist Bible terrorists and handed over a lot of cash for that privilege I presume. Ignore and carry on.........

goodness me youre tlaking out of your hat and embarassing yourself now. lol
so no one can discuss or form opinions on anything unless they do it themselves lol I guess the local firemen have to burn their houses down before joining the brigade...cops must take heroin before investigating drug ushers...detectives must commit murder mefore investigating it? lol Im embarassed for you. no wonder you choose to stereotype the whole world of Christians and homosexuals, your world view is the most narrow thing ive ever heard

thats a bigoted post trying to label millions of Christians as terrorists....total hypocrisy as you preach against discrimination and stereotyping groups of people

[/QUOTE]Daniel ,you opened this thread, but now you dont want people to voice their opinions ?[/QUOTE]

I opened the thread to discuss the actual issue of what Evander had said in the house. My op was very un biased and then as usual certain forum members come in, throw insults and twist words.

Its just annoying that they cant act like adults.

[QUOTE=daniel-lewis-1985;6591709]

I am never interested in anything you have to say. Learn to read and comprehend before attacking me with such exaggerated nonsense to suit your own agenda as usual.

But im not saying its us or them. I have said I agreed he should have a right to freedom of speech and I was interested in the conversation.

But I do think his comments were homophobic.

That's my opinion.

He was a bit of a nob with it, fair enough if that's his view (even though it's pretty dumb) but Luisa realised early on that the conversation was going down a bit of a dodgy path and he kept forcing it even though she could see it wasn't a very appropriate thing for them to discuss, partly because of how wildly different their views were and partly because of it airing out to millions of people who were bound to find it offensive

I'm against ALL discrimination,and I have no agenda!!:nono: This debate is about freedom of speech and homophobia?!?:conf:

Trust me all gay people are not the same lol im talking about being gay though.

Also I am not accusing the entire Christian community as all the same lol I AM CHRISTIAN!!!

You are not reading my posts as you are responding way to quickly, you are glancing through, picking out certain things then twisting them.

Stop trolling and stop calling me a bigot.

I have shown that I believe he has a right to air his opinion and looked at it from both sides. You have obviously misread my OP.

Please go back and look at it again as its very unbiased and this thread was started that way until the insults started to get thrown again.

Same old, same old.