Originally Posted by flamingGalah! (Post 6683790)

Then surely that 'freedom' that women have also applies to them being able to think for themselves & judge as they see fit?? For you to slag off women for not fitting into your own defined little box stinks far more than whatever opinions they may have...

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 6683882)

Can we not just get off the topic of sexism?

Its in every thread now and is getting BORING!

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6684010)

The problem started with this post, Daniel:



The same poster tried to justify his/her views and in doing so, dug a deeper and deeper hole for himself/herself. I don't see anything wrong with engaging in a debate about how societal sexism translates itself into the voting choices of the BB viewers, and how an assertive young woman's behaviour is misinterpreted by others who have been influenced by social conditioning.

I find it quite interesting, actually.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6684010)

The problem started with this post, Daniel:



The same poster tried to justify his/her views and in doing so, dug a deeper and deeper hole for himself/herself. I don't see anything wrong with engaging in a debate about how societal sexism translates itself into the voting choices of the BB viewers, and how an assertive young woman's behaviour is misinterpreted by others who have been influenced by social conditioning.

I find it quite interesting, actually.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6684098)

it is a shame social conditioning allows us to stereotype and slander men without fear of impingement, yet we do not have such carte blanche to slag off women.....I relaly feel this misandry is rpevalent now throughout society and is creating many of our social disorders. the misandrists , the man haters and the self loathing males are like dinosaurs about 30 years behond the times.....men have had less rights, less support, less charities, less money spent on their health and legal support , less support for fathers, less support for boys flaling behind in classes and less support and less recognotion of the fact male suicides are 4 times the rate of female suicides across the entire world....posters misandrists and hetrophobes choose to ignore this and show they dont give a damn. this tells you a lot about the passive aggressive male hate that is rife in this country....time we evolved and looked at the massive imbalance against men

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 6684163)

You seem to slag off women quite well.

She was awful, a horrible self centred nasty bore, displayed zero ability to laugh at herself and showed zero humility too....also had the worst voice imaginable. and absolute bore, totally unfunny in every way and also a sexist man hater. oh and a total coward who became lindas bitch , except when linda left to boos. total fraud

I don't think one thread has been made from any other member talking about Jim solely based on him being a man. It's irrelevant.

Don't you agree that we shouldn't judge someone on their genitalia but instead just focus on their character?

Constantly dragging up the "ism" talk is going round in circles and quite frankly is going very overboard. I made a thread about Luisa getting booed and now its turned into statistics including male suicide, men's rights and education?

I don't think the crowd booing are intelligent enough to boo her because of those reasons lol.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6684532)

thats a woman not women, so youre wrong, yet again.
as always you show zero empathy for male issues and problems.

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 6684638)

Really? A childish comeback? In the previous post you were talking about Linda as well as women in general and their rights, that's WOMEN so you're wrong.

You even mention the word WOMEN lol.

I am a male just so you're aware, so this whole male rights argument is void, I just don't think poor me, poor me im so hard done by.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6685504)

Its not void at all. what a vapid statement

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 6685653)

You acknowledged nothing else in that post lol. Over this sexist chat now anyway you will allways think men are poor victims in society and women get away with whatever they want.

I'll continue to stay away from generalising people and pigeon holing groups, just causes conflict and division.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6685658)

try and quit the male bashing its getting tedious

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 6685683)

Where am I male bashing? LOL Please show me because you constantly call me a heterophobe and when I ask for you to show me how you think I am you have nothing.

Don't accuse if you cant be arsed to back yourself up, I was commenting on your general opinion which is well known after all the threads. I said nothing directly insulting towards men.

Again let me emphasise I AM A MAN lol

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6684098)

men have had less rights, less support, less charities, less money spent on their health and legal support , less support for fathers, less support for boys flaling behind in classes

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6684098)

and less support and less recognotion of the fact male suicides are 4 times the rate of female suicides across the entire world....posters misandrists and hetrophobes choose to ignore this and show they dont give a damn. this tells you a lot about the passive aggressive male hate that is rife in this country....time we evolved and looked at the massive imbalance against men

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6686760)

If this is true then it is entirely men's fault, since they dominate the political and legal arenas which make the laws, and hold most of the top spots in media outlets which influence people's views. It is not true, however. Men and women have equal rights by law in the UK and there is equal support available to them in the health and education services. Less support for fathers is generally because the mothers normally take more responsibility for child-rearing.



I agree that the rate of young males who commit suicide is higher than that of women. In this thread, we have seen you launch a personal attack on a young male poster because his view differed from your own. Rather than engaging on the issues he raised, here is a selection of what you wrote to him:

"anti hetro men"
"you provoke others to dleiberately try and get people infracted"
"pathetic."
"zero empathy for male issues and problems."
"what a vapid statement"
"quit the male bashing its getting tedious"
"being a self loathing man is part of the problem sadly,"

If your attitude and abusive behaviour is typical of a certain type of man in this day and age, then it's no wonder their male offspring feel suicidal. It's not typical in my social group, thank goodness.

I think blinkered attitudes like yours are the reason that men can feel suicidal. The expectation that they be in control, tough, macho and powerful doesn't enable them to express their feelings and they have nowhere to turn when they're in difficulties.

Thank goodness the world is changing, and people are creating more healthy and nurturing relationships with others, regardless of sex, views, race, colour, creed, etc.. That's not to say things are perfect, but we're a work in progress.

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985 (Post 6685683)

Where am I male bashing? LOL Please show me because you constantly call me a heterophobe and when I ask for you to show me how you think I am you have nothing.

Don't accuse if you cant be arsed to back yourself up, I was commenting on your general opinion which is well known after all the threads. I said nothing directly insulting towards men.

Again let me emphasise I AM A MAN lol

Originally Posted by abhorson (Post 6686773)

If your attitude and abusive behaviour is typical of a certain type of man in this day and age, then it's no wonder their male offspring feel suicidal.


This is one of the most ridiculous statements i have heard for some time.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6686777)

If a child is continually undermined rather than being taken seriously, they may well feel suicidal. It's not ridiculous. I know what I am talking about, because my entire career has been in the field of emotionally supporting youngsters with social, emotional and psychiatric problems.

Originally Posted by abhorson (Post 6686779)

No better than whom you are attacking imo.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6686760)

If this is true then it is entirely men's fault, since they dominate the political and legal arenas which make the laws, and hold most of the top spots in media outlets which influence people's views. It is not true, however. Men and women have equal rights by law in the UK and there is equal support available to them in the health and education services. Less support for fathers is generally because the mothers normally take more responsibility for child-rearing.



I agree that the rate of young males who commit suicide is higher than that of women. In this thread, we have seen you launch a personal attack on a young male poster because his view differed from your own. Rather than engaging on the issues he raised, here is a selection of what you wrote to him:

"anti hetro men"
"you provoke others to dleiberately try and get people infracted"
"pathetic."
"zero empathy for male issues and problems."
"what a vapid statement"
"quit the male bashing its getting tedious"
"being a self loathing man is part of the problem sadly,"

If your attitude and abusive behaviour is typical of a certain type of man in this day and age, then it's no wonder their male offspring feel suicidal. It's not typical in my social group, thank goodness.

I think blinkered attitudes like yours are the reason that men can feel suicidal. The expectation that they be in control, tough, macho and powerful doesn't enable them to express their feelings and they have nowhere to turn when they're in difficulties.

Thank goodness the world is changing, and people are creating more healthy and nurturing relationships with others, regardless of sex, views, race, colour, creed, etc.. That's not to say things are perfect, but we're a work in progress.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6686772)

:laugh:

I might be one too, for all he knows. ;)

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6686793)

so youre blaming me for male suicide rates being 4 times higher than females across the entire planet? lol. I dont know whether to laugh or cry at the most ridiculous thing ever posted on nay website ever. yes it is good the world is changing and attitudes are becoming more caring for men and for their rights and their health issues and needs. I hope you can update you thinking and catch up with male rights. regardless of sexuality colour and race or religion.

it is time men had the same rights as women and get treated the same in social situations and even in schools where little boys have been allowed to fall behind for decades. lets hope to the massive imbalance between ho wmuch is spent on female health, female charities, female mental health issues too can be re-aligned and we can start to invest far more in male health issues and suicides in particular. on the day a great man like phillip seymour hoffman lost his life, it would be an appropriate tribute to him , to try and tackle male depression and suicides with serious focus and serious financial investment.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6686817)

I didn't blame you for anything. Here's what I wrote:

'I think blinkered attitudes like yours are the reason that men can feel suicidal. The expectation that they be in control, tough, macho and powerful doesn't enable them to express their feelings and they have nowhere to turn when they're in difficulties.'

I stand by that.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6686789)

I don't really see why you feel the need to suddenly jump in and accuse me of attacking truth because I make some observations about the bile which he has been pouring towards anyone in this thread who doesn't share his views.

Do you agree with him?

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6686824)

I think that is more true of you.

Originally Posted by abhorson (Post 6686870)

I felt your statement was just very ill thought out and the suggestion it implied rather tasteless given the subject matter.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6686897)

It was intended as a throw-away jibe.. however, when you queried it, it was easy enough to justify. :)

You still haven't explained why you ignored all the remarks 'truth' made. Do you agree with him?

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6686897)

It was intended as a throw-away jibe.. however, when you queried it, it was easy enough to justify. :)

You still haven't explained why you ignored all the remarks 'truth' made. Do you agree with him?

Originally Posted by Germyle (Post 6686964)

both of you need to upload an avatar and stop bumping this old thread

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6686992)

I agree. its time the supporters of this evil woman luisa came to terms with the fact jimbo was a worthy winner and abusive man haters luisa and linda were by far the most sexist people in the house. have you noticed how jimbo has offered to do charity work for lindas charity , but shes still slagging him and the show for samaging her fostering propspects. dreadful women. shes doing all the harm to her reputation all by herself.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6686945)

it was in incredibly poor taste and Id suggest if thats the type of statement you make and the way you think they maybe you should be in a different line of work. I am empowering men to fight for their rights, to seek help and advice, Plus I am fighting the fight for the massive imbalance of health spending and charitable support between women and men to be rectified. women get an estimated 3 to 4 times as much money spent on their well being than men. and men commit suicide at 4 times the rate. the correlation there is not a mere coincidence.

Originally Posted by abhorson (Post 6686969)

The "no wonder" in your statement being used in an attempt at a jibe to any fellow poster is not something that should be used, joke or not.


And now because you were pulled up on it, you try to bring me into your discussions with said poster.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6687023)

:laugh:

So you cannot justify it. lol. I didn't think so.

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 6686992)

I agree. its time the supporters of this evil woman luisa came to terms with the fact jimbo was a worthy winner and abusive man haters luisa and linda were by far the most sexist people in the house. have you noticed how jimbo has offered to do charity work for lindas charity , but shes still slagging him and the show for samaging her fostering propspects. dreadful women. shes doing all the harm to her reputation all by herself.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6687020)

The remarks which you made earlier in the thread were not "empowering". That is what prompted me to make the statement in the first place. If you don't know how potentially damaging these kind of remarks could be to a young person then it's about time you learned.

I don't think that slating people on a BB forum is "fighting the fight" to redress an imbalance in health spending. I personally thought it was an important issue, hence my very detailed post above which outlined different avenues for anyone to explore if they or anyone they know is experiencing mental health problems. All these avenues are available regardless of gender. I was hoping it might prove to be useful information to someone.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6687034)

Huh? Who are you talking about? You appear to be having a conversation mainly with Daniel and me. I have already said that I have no problem with Jim winning. If you look at the threads in which we had to write who we wanted to win, you will see that I wrote that Jim and Luisa should come in the top two with Dappy third. :) Daniel also wanted Jim and Luisa to come top.

Originally Posted by Seraphim (Post 6687023)

:laugh:

So you cannot justify it. lol. I didn't think so.