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arista 20-07-2014 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7076058)
Hollywood films end in nukes.

It still helps to know the weight of public feeling on issues that are out of our control.


Some of the Public
Never All of them.

Kizzy 20-07-2014 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 7076101)
Some of the Public
Never All of them.

Of course not... Whoever suggested the entire population of England was out protesting?
There were some 15,000 in London yesterday I believe.

arista 20-07-2014 05:43 PM

A few Israeli's troops have been killed
most shot by their own.

Trigger happy

Me. I Am Salman 20-07-2014 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7066701)
wheres that clip?

it was live on the BBC news channel, they spoke with someone through a webcam i dunno who it was

arista 21-07-2014 06:17 PM

Sadly today in Gaza another Hospital
was hit,
thats so sad


Ref : Ch4NewsHD Live

Northern Monkey 21-07-2014 11:31 PM

It aint gonna end while Hamas is involved,No chance.Israelis are'nt gonna cut a deal with terrorists or while rockets are being fired at them.They're just gonna keep retaliating then Hamas will do the same.Vicious circle.They need a cease fire and some proper representatives on the Palestinian side.Hamas are terrorists,Firing rockets from hospitals and schools and using what are supposed to be their own people as human sheilds are not the actions of a legitimate group.Israelis are'nt faultless either but they atleast have something resembling a government who can be reasoned with.

JTM45 21-07-2014 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 7034189)
Most sensible right minded Jewish people would not dream of going to live in that Fascist Gangster state, in fact most are embarrassed at what is done there alledgedly in their name.


Israel with it's successive Zionist Gov't have done more to hurt Jewish people and Jewish interests in the last 60 years than any Arabs ever could.


Despicable place populated by sad deluded hateful people.





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I'm in total agreement with you!!! :clap1:

America and Israel between them are responsible for more War Crimes and atrocities Worldwide than all of the so called 'terrorist groups' are between them!!! :bored:

the truth 22-07-2014 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JTM45 (Post 7082156)
I'm in total agreement with you!!! :clap1:

America and Israel between them are responsible for more War Crimes and atrocities Worldwide than all of the so called 'terrorist groups' are between them!!! :bored:

not sure id go along with that. its a bit over simplistic and im not sure how one can calculate the sum totals ....though there have been many barbaric leaders responsible for deaths of millions, Mao and stalin is right at the top of that list, then hitler .....but I understand where youre coming from with israel and america.

They have both committed endless atrocities and bloodbaths. I believe america have invaded 70 nations. israel should never have been created in the 1940's the jews have zero right to steal land they claim to have lived on 2000 years ago. it was utterly preposterous from the start and of course would obviously lead to infinite war as its done for the past 70 years. this is the longest almost non stop conflict in history. but why set the state up there , when any man with a brain and a heart knows of the impending doom that will last until the end of the world? Incidentally do Muslims and Jews believe in the concept of forgiveness of sin and redemption? It certainly doesnt appear so

clearly the yanks and brits wanted to use this as a foothold to control the middle east. helping the poor oppressed jewish people after decades of persecuation was a mere ruse behind which to impose their will and a massive arsenal of nuclear weapons in palestine. then smartly use anti semitism as a hammer to hit anyone who dare question or criticize this insane plan

as for the atomic bomb it ended the us japanese war, but no one else has used it thankfully

lostalex 22-07-2014 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JTM45 (Post 7082156)
I'm in total agreement with you!!! :clap1:

America and Israel between them are responsible for more War Crimes and atrocities Worldwide than all of the so called 'terrorist groups' are between them!!! :bored:

lol What a load of ****. The difference is terrorists target civilians, the US doesn't. That's a very important distinction to make. In fact actually the US has done more to try to prevent civilian deaths in war than any other country in the history of modern warfare.

Kizzy 22-07-2014 10:03 AM

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, these atrocities are supposedly done for the greater good.
Except it isn't good.. for anyone.

user104658 22-07-2014 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 7082981)
lol What a load of ****. The difference is terrorists target civilians, the US doesn't. That's a very important distinction to make. In fact actually the US has done more to try to prevent civilian deaths in war than any other country in the history of modern warfare.

... Err... Civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan are off the charts. Literally - I don't think anyone is even bothering to accurately record them any more.

Palestinian civilians, often including children, are being blown to bits every day, and Israel is practically a US puppet state.

Whether or not civilians are being targeted directly or are simply too close to the big booms when overpowered explosives are dropped with little precision in populated areas makes very little difference. The people are just as dead.

user104658 22-07-2014 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7083134)
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, these atrocities are supposedly done for the greater good.
Except it isn't good.. for anyone.

Or even the same man's, in different circumstances. I always think it's important to remember that Al Qaeda was US backed and funded (almost 3 billion dollars I believe) a few decades ago - to the point that they wouldn't EXIST without that backing. They were "freedom fighters" against dastardly Soviet forces... Fully supported by the US of A. Fast forward a few years and the US realise they have created a monster and now they must be "terrorists" and blown to smithereens.

It's funny really, half a century later and **** never changes. Here we are in 2014 with the US funding and backing Gaza strikes, and on top of that, planes being shot down and tensions with Russia.

Livia 22-07-2014 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JTM45 (Post 7082156)
I'm in total agreement with you!!! :clap1:

America and Israel between them are responsible for more War Crimes and atrocities Worldwide than all of the so called 'terrorist groups' are between them!!! :bored:

Doesn't it make you wonder why Palestine's neighbours don't step in to help? I mean, look who Israel's closest neighbours are... Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Lebenon, Syria, Saudi Arabia... all Muslim countries. Makes you kind of wonder why they don't side with Hamas, doesn't it.

I'm not standing up for the killing of innocent Palestinians by the Israelis, not at all. But people forget that Hamas fires rockets into Israel daily, air raid sirens go off every day... day in, day out... they store their rockets, launchers and other arms and ammo in civilian areas, they fire their rockets from the roof of blocks of flats in civilian areas attempting to use the people as human shields. Israel agreed to an Egyptian-brokered a ceasefire last week, Hamas rejected it. While I acknowledge the Israeli reaction is way over the top, Hamas are not exactly innocent in all of this.

Livia 22-07-2014 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7083156)
Or even the same man's, in different circumstances. I always think it's important to remember that Al Qaeda was US backed and funded (almost 3 billion dollars I believe) a few decades ago - to the point that they wouldn't EXIST without that backing. They were "freedom fighters" against dastardly Soviet forces... Fully supported by the US of A. Fast forward a few years and the US realise they have created a monster and now they must be "terrorists" and blown to smithereens.

It's funny really, half a century later and **** never changes. Here we are in 2014 with the US funding and backing Gaza strikes, and on top of that, planes being shot down and tensions with Russia.

To be fair, they do quite a large amount of blowing stuff to smithereens themselves.

Kizzy 22-07-2014 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7083136)
... Err... Civilian casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan are off the charts. Literally - I don't think anyone is even bothering to accurately record them any more.

Palestinian civilians, often including children, are being blown to bits every day, and Israel is practically a US puppet state.

Whether or not civilians are being targeted directly or are simply too close to the big booms when overpowered explosives are dropped with little precision in populated areas makes very little difference. The people are just as dead.

Yep same **** different decade, history on repeat.

Brother Leon 22-07-2014 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 7082981)
lol What a load of ****. The difference is terrorists target civilians, the US doesn't. That's a very important distinction to make. In fact actually the US has done more to try to prevent civilian deaths in war than any other country in the history of modern warfare.

You tell yourself that...that amazing brainwashing out in the states eh?

Kizzy 22-07-2014 06:11 PM

'Hamas and Islamic Jihad reportedly agreed to a five-hour pause in the fighting. However, Haaretz quoted senior Israeli officials as saying a humanitarian ceasefire was "not on our agenda right now".

'Twenty-seven soldiers have been killed in fighting, the IDF said in a statement. The Palestinian death toll in Gaza was climbing steadily towards 600, a third of whom are children, according to the UN children's agency Unicef.'

Sickening.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...amas-shujaiiya

arista 22-07-2014 06:18 PM

Ch4HD News
reports its getting worse in Gaza.
A High Rise Block was attacked but no Hamas in it or near it,
killing women and children.

Even UN water trucks get hit.


And even worse a UN School
was hit.

This is against International Law
of course Israel is above all laws

the truth 22-07-2014 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 7084612)
Ch4HD News
reports its getting worse in Gaza.
A High Rise Block was attacked but no Hamas in it or near it,
killing women and children.

Even UN water trucks get hit.


And even worse a UN School
was hit.

This is against International Law
of course Israel is above all laws

be careful they may call you an anti semite soon just for criticizing the fact the israelis are butchering 100s of innocent people. whata disgusting country, what an horrific regime. these are crimes against humanity, netenyahu belongs should be charged as a war criminal

arista 22-07-2014 11:24 PM

http://media.skynews.com/media/image...-1-522x293.jpg
Hospital in Gaza Hit

http://news.sky.com/story/1305242/ga...ose-truce-plan

divergent 23-07-2014 01:49 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28424396

so, the lib dems have suspended one of their MPs for justifying gaza's actions, yet David Cameron (rather than calling for ceasefire) "has urged Israel to "exercise restraint" in its military operations" and strongly believes in "self-defence" for Israel

**** off Cameron

the truth 23-07-2014 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by divergent (Post 7088049)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-28424396

so, the lib dems have suspended one of their MPs for justifying gaza's actions, yet David Cameron (rather than calling for ceasefire) "has urged Israel to "exercise restraint" in its military operations" and strongly believes in "self-defence" for Israel

**** off Cameron

cameron is a spineless jellyfish with no heart

arista 23-07-2014 06:58 PM

From Ch4HD News Live

166 Killed children
695 Killed Adults



Thats so sad

Iceman 23-07-2014 07:14 PM

Im protesting here in Dublin on Friday...will it help...most likely not but what have I got to lose

arista 23-07-2014 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 7089241)
Im protesting here in Dublin on Friday...will it help...most likely not but what have I got to lose



good on you

Kizzy 23-07-2014 10:55 PM

The United Nations Human Rights Council (UNHRC) has agreed to launch an international inquiry into violations that may have been committed during Israel's latest military offensive in Gaza.

Navi Pillay, the UN high commissioner for human rights, warned earlier that Israel may have committed war crimes in its offensive against Hamas in the Gaza Strip, where hundreds of Palestinian civilians have been killed in the past two weeks.

http://www.theguardian.com/global/20...-crimes-israel

arista 24-07-2014 06:56 AM

http://media.skynews.com/media/image...-1-329x437.jpg

MTVN 24-07-2014 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by EyeballPaul (Post 7082060)
It aint gonna end while Hamas is involved,No chance.Israelis are'nt gonna cut a deal with terrorists or while rockets are being fired at them.They're just gonna keep retaliating then Hamas will do the same.Vicious circle.They need a cease fire and some proper representatives on the Palestinian side.Hamas are terrorists,Firing rockets from hospitals and schools and using what are supposed to be their own people as human sheilds are not the actions of a legitimate group.Israelis are'nt faultless either but they atleast have something resembling a government who can be reasoned with.

So we keep hearing but that's a bit simplistic. Those on the ground in Gaza have a very different perception of Hamas and their use of apparent human shields, and what should be remembered is that Gaza is one of the most densely populated urban areas in the world, far more so than London or New York I believe, and yet we should blame it on Hamas when Israel's indiscriminate strikes inevitably kill many civilians? Plus there's also the fact it's blocked in by closed borders and Israel still have their naval blockade in place, its incredibly difficult for anyone to leave even if they wanted to. The two 'sides' shouldn't even be compared or equated really considering how grossly imbalanced the conflict is, and considering that Gazans have been treated like sh*t by Israel for years and years. Hamas may be a monster but its one that Israel created.

lostalex 24-07-2014 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 7091391)
So we keep hearing but that's a bit simplistic. Those on the ground in Gaza have a very different perception of Hamas and their use of apparent human shields, and what should be remembered is that Gaza is one of the most densely populated urban areas in the world, far more so than London or New York I believe, and yet we should blame it on Hamas when Israel's indiscriminate strikes inevitably kill many civilians? Plus there's also the fact it's blocked in by closed borders and Israel still have their naval blockade in place, its incredibly difficult for anyone to leave even if they wanted to. The two 'sides' shouldn't even be compared or equated really considering how grossly imbalanced the conflict is, and considering that Gazans have been treated like sh*t by Israel for years and years. Hamas may be a monster but its one that Israel created.

how can you blame israel then when they try to strike the terrorists and there are civilian deaths. when you yourself just said that gaza is so densely populated? so they have no right to strike back just because hamas hides in densely populated areas? so what do you expect them to do to respond then? these people are uneducated murderous religious psychos. they must be delt with.

MTVN 24-07-2014 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 7091426)
how can you blame israel then when they try to strike the terrorists and there are civilian deaths. when you yourself just said that gaza is so densely populated? so they have no right to strike back just because hamas hides in densely populated areas? so what do you expect them to do to respond then? these people are uneducated murderous religious psychos. they must be delt with.

Gaza is densely populated because Israel has penned civilians in there with next to no way of escape. 1.8m forced into a tiny area, the borders to which are closed both north and south, there's a naval blockade in place to the west, the civilians live miserable lives in miserable conditions which are dictated by Israel, they have no consistent access to electricity or water, there's severe food shortages, their civilians are constantly in fear of persecution at the hands of Israel with Western backing. And people wonder why Hamas get so much support?

lostalex 24-07-2014 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 7091449)
Gaza is densely populated because Israel has penned civilians in there with next to no way of escape. 1.8m forced into a tiny area, the borders to which are closed both north and south, there's a naval blockade in place to the west, the civilians live miserable lives in miserable conditions which are dictated by Israel, they have no consistent access to electricity or water, there's severe food shortages, their civilians are constantly in fear of persecution at the hands of Israel with Western backing. And people wonder why Hamas get so much support?


well i believe in a 1 state solution. i believe Israel should not be a jewish state, should be a federal secular state and include all palestinians in this new state. but palestinians will not accept that. and i believe palestinians should have a "right to return" just like jews in israel, but jews will not accept that.

the truth 24-07-2014 11:30 AM

the jews are ultimately more in the wrong here. they stole a country, they continue to steal land to isolate to segregate millions....they even block their supplies and bomb them to smithereens. their response to the hammas pea shooters is massive bombs. totally disproportionate totally illegal totally immoral and utterly contemptuous of the safety of 1000s of innocents. the country should never have been set up in the 1940s they have no right to be there in the first place

Livia 24-07-2014 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 7091458)
well i believe in a 1 state solution. i believe Israel should not be a jewish state, should be a federal secular state and include all palestinians in this new state. but palestinians will not accept that. and i believe palestinians should have a "right to return" just like jews in israel, but jews will not accept that.

I have to agree with this. The thing that strikes me most when I'm in Israel - which is the same thing that's struck me when I've been in Palestine - is a profound disrespect of each other's religions. What I've also learned is that young people think very differently from those in power right now. If there's hope for a settlement between Israel and Palestine, it will come from the young generation. Sadly that's not going to happen tomorrow. But it will happen, I'm convinced of it.

the truth 24-07-2014 12:21 PM

sadly not with netenyahu is charge.

arista 24-07-2014 04:03 PM

today a UN school hit


Israel killing a baby, yet again.



Ref: Ch5HD News and SkyNewsHD

Kizzy 24-07-2014 04:40 PM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.n...a7db9d41386d41

lostalex 24-07-2014 05:05 PM

terrorists hide behind children, and some people still don't blame the terrorists when children die as human shields. amazing. don't be so naive.


If people put even half as much effort into hating the terrorists as much as they do hating Israel, this war would already be over.

It's the people making excuses for Hamas and their repulsive tactics that keep this going, it just fuels Hamas and makes them think they are winning over the "hearts and minds" of westerners.

Everytime a palestinian child dies Hamas celebrates, because they know it helps them win the propaganda war. Hamas loves pictures of dead children. What does that tell you about them? They celebrate dead children while we mourn. That should tell you everything you need to know about Hamas.

arista 24-07-2014 06:06 PM

Yes Alex
But UN buildings should not be hit



4 UN sites over 4 days

the truth 24-07-2014 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 7092640)
terrorists hide behind children, and some people still don't blame the terrorists when children die as human shields. amazing. don't be so naive.


If people put even half as much effort into hating the terrorists as much as they do hating Israel, this war would already be over.

It's the people making excuses for Hamas and their repulsive tactics that keep this going, it just fuels Hamas and makes them think they are winning over the "hearts and minds" of westerners.

Everytime a palestinian child dies Hamas celebrates, because they know it helps them win the propaganda war. Hamas loves pictures of dead children. What does that tell you about them? They celebrate dead children while we mourn. That should tell you everything you need to know about Hamas.

Israel are the real terrorists and the west is supplying the weapons

lostalex 24-07-2014 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 7092734)
Yes Alex
But UN buildings should not be hit



4 UN sites over 4 days

Hamas knows how to win over "the hearts and minds" dude. don't you SEE that's part of their tactics? when you as Israel know they are gathering to plan rocket attacks at a UN building, what do you do? Isreal tries to send out warnings, they even specifically tell people where they are going to strike many times, Hamas is using places like hospitals, schools, mosques, UN buildings, journalists, as human shields, it's well known by now. how do you not know it? Do you just say, okay, we know there are 3 or 4 important leaders gathering at this place, but there are civilians, so we'll just let them carry on with their business?? What would YOU do if it was your job to protect and defend the Israeli people?

(and don't give me any bull**** about how Jews shouldn't be there to begin with, it's too late for that argument.)


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