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Tarryn 19-07-2014 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da (Post 7071841)
It's also there to put on a performance in front of a camera, knowing full well that you are essentially communicating with the public.

It's "safe" alright. It's safe from other people being able to defend themselves against his catty comments or assassinations of their characters.

What you call "safe" could be perceived as, at best, weak and at worst, something quite manipulative.

So you don't like him. I get it. Don't vote for him then.
I don't like Steven. I think he is a total twat who loves himself & is clearly lying about how much money he has. So it's safe to say I don't want him to win.
Chris is the only housemate I feel is speaking what I'm thinking.
I don't think any less of him for saying it in the diary room and not to the other HM's.
This years group has been the nastiest bunch of people I have ever seen on this show. He is just being sensible by keeping his mouth shut.

Yaki da 19-07-2014 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake. (Post 7071853)
Disagree, doesn't bother me in the slightest what they do on the outside

So tell me then your reaction Nasty Nick making up that he had a wife who died in a car accident to make himself a more sympathetic character to this fellow housemates.

Does it not bother you what the actual truth is?

Beastie 19-07-2014 12:06 PM

I like Chris. I find him interesting. Would be nice if he ends up winning.

Yaki da 19-07-2014 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarryn (Post 7071861)
So you don't like him. I get it. Don't vote for him then.
I don't like Steven. I think he is a total twat who loves himself & is clearly lying about how much money he has. So it's safe to say I don't want him to win.
Chris is the only housemate I feel is speaking what I'm thinking.
I don't think any less of him for saying it in the diary room and not to the other HM's.
This years group has been the nastiest bunch of people I have ever seen on this show. He is just being sensible by keeping his mouth shut.

Apart from in the diary room where he's all mouth before he goes back to being friendly with the "nastiest bunch of people" ever seen on this show.

I guarantee no woman would get away with it.

Tarryn 19-07-2014 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da (Post 7071914)
Apart from in the diary room where he's all mouth before he goes back to being friendly with the "nastiest bunch of people" ever seen on this show.

I guarantee no woman would get away with it.

Nothing wrong with being polite.

Jake. 19-07-2014 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da (Post 7071906)
So tell me then your reaction Nasty Nick making up that he had a wife who died in a car accident to make himself a more sympathetic character to this fellow housemates.

Does it not bother you what the actual truth is?

I was only 5 in 2000 so I didn't watch/can't really comment. But no, the truth doesn't bother me whatsoever, because it's a game show and they are playing to win. These aren't my friends, I don't know them and I'll never see them once the show is over,

Yaki da 19-07-2014 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake. (Post 7071924)
I was only 5 in 2000 so I didn't watch/can't really comment. But no, the truth doesn't bother me whatsoever, because it's a game show and they are playing to win. These aren't my friends, I don't know them and I'll never see them once the show is over,

Why are you even bothering to defend Chris then?

Yaki da 19-07-2014 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarryn (Post 7071920)
Nothing wrong with being polite.

So he's polite, but others are two faced...

Tarryn 19-07-2014 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da (Post 7071938)
So he's polite, but others are two faced...

Yep :dance:

Jake. 19-07-2014 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da (Post 7071937)
Why are you even bothering to defend Chris then?

Because I've watched Chris and don't think he's a bad person in the slightest

Yaki da 19-07-2014 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarryn (Post 7071940)
Yep :dance:

Unattractive, sofly spoken white man = Polite

Attractive woman = Two faced.

Yaki da 19-07-2014 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake. (Post 7071941)
Because I've watched Chris and don't think he's a bad person in the slightest

He's disingenuous.

Jake. 19-07-2014 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da (Post 7071951)
He's disingenuous.

Of course he is

Tarryn 19-07-2014 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da (Post 7071947)
Unattractive, sofly spoken white man = Polite

Attractive woman = Two faced.

Nope, Ash is just as two-faced as the rest of them.
If you hate Chris so much then don't watch him.

Livia 19-07-2014 12:16 PM

I like Chris. He doesn't let every half-baked thought that pops into his head, spill out of his mouth with no filter of tact. I suppose that might make some people think he isn't completely open. There are plenty of people in there who think that 'being upfront' means voicing every single thought, no matter how hurtful or ridiculous it is. Chris, for me, is the one relatively normal person in there.

Yaki da 19-07-2014 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarryn (Post 7071956)
Nope, Ash is just as two-faced as the rest of them.

I think he is one of the more genuine people in the house actually. Just a bit of a bore and immature.

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If you hate Chris so much then don't watch him.
I don't hate him that much. I just think people should be more wary of him, before they vote for the smugster to win.

Yaki da 19-07-2014 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7071957)
I like Chris. He doesn't let every half-baked thought that pops into his head, spill out of his mouth with no filter of tact.

Yes, he saves it for his latest diary room performance where he and the viewers watching him get to feel morally superior to everyone else.

Tarryn 19-07-2014 12:25 PM

[QUOTE=Yaki da;7071979]I think he is one of the more genuine people in the house actually. Just a bit of a bore and immature.



Yeah, calling another housemate a maggot & taking the piss out of their weight.........................What a genuine guy (!).

Livia 19-07-2014 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da (Post 7071987)
Yes, he saves it for his latest diary room performance where he and the viewers watching him get to feel morally superior to everyone else.

He's entitled to do that. BB asks him questions, he answers. I doubt he imagines that everything is says is broadcast. Other housemates do the same. You can't possibly know he feels morally superior unless you have access to this thoughts, that's just your own perception based on the fact that you don't like him.

mrflibble 19-07-2014 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7071957)
I like Chris. He doesn't let every half-baked thought that pops into his head, spill out of his mouth with no filter of tact. I suppose that might make some people think he isn't completely open. There are plenty of people in there who think that 'being upfront' means voicing every single thought, no matter how hurtful or ridiculous it is. Chris, for me, is the one relatively normal person in there.

:clap2:

Tarryn 19-07-2014 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7072000)
He's entitled to do that. BB asks him questions, he answers. I doubt he imagines that everything is says is broadcast. Others housemates do the same. You can't possibly know he feels morally superior unless you have access to this thoughts, that's just your own perception based on the fact that you don't like him.

:clap1:
Chris is a quiet guy who would not be heard by the others even if he did choose to speak up.
Seeing him in the Diary room is the best we can get of him.
I enjoy listening to his observations.

Yaki da 19-07-2014 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7072000)
He's entitled to do that. BB asks him questions, he answers.

They sound pre-prepared to me. And he can answer those questions however he likes. He doesn't have to put on the show he does.


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I doubt he imagines that everything is says is broadcast. Other housemates do the same. You can't possibly know he feels morally superior unless you have access to this thoughts, that's just your own perception based on the fact that you don't like him.
He slagged them all off for being fake whilst in the diary room before going back and getting along with all of them himself.

Kazanne 19-07-2014 12:31 PM

I think we are all mature enough to make our minds up on who we like, I like him,be happy for him to win

Jake. 19-07-2014 12:32 PM

You know that the diary room is there for people to unload, right? Or would you rather they all dicuss what they had for breakfast instead?

Yaki da 19-07-2014 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake. (Post 7072025)
You know that the diary room is there for people to unload, right?

Yes, it's there to put on a show for the viewers. It's there to manipulate people's thoughts and get them on side. It's there to assassinate people's character to the public without them having a chance to defend themself. Something Chris does very well.

One question is why are people who do the more natural thing of going off with a friend and having a bitch regarded as nasty and two faced, whilst someone who choose to go to the diary room and bitch about others to the viewing audience regarded so highly. There's a phoniness about it all.

Livia 19-07-2014 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da (Post 7072020)
They sound pre-prepared to me. And he can answer those questions however he likes. He doesn't have to put on the show he does.




He slagged them all off for being fake whilst in the diary room before going back and getting along with all of them himself.

In response to your first comment, sounding pre-prepared to you means nothing. Again, it's just your perception because you don't like him, coupled with the fact he's intelligent and eloquent, which would make him stand out in there.

Secondly, they are mostly fake. Would you have preferred him to lie? And then he went back into the house and got on with it, tactfully, without creating yet another boring, shallow bitchfest. I would see where you were coming from if every single other housemate had not, at one time or another, bitched about other people in the diary room and behind their backs. But they ALL do it.

Yaki da 19-07-2014 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7072035)
Secondly, they are mostly fake. Would you have preferred him to lie? And then he went back into the house and got on with it, tactfully, without creating yet another boring, shallow bitchfest. I would see where you were coming from if every single other housemate had not, at one time or another, bitched about other people in the diary room and behind their backs. But they ALL do it.

He seems to do this a lot more than the others though and I think viewers should be wary of him. My suspicion of him really goes back to the speech he gave when up for the chop with the lads, in front of the girls. I thought there was something very strange about a man pouring his heart out like that in that situation.

Jake. 19-07-2014 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da (Post 7072029)
Yes, it's there to put on a show for the viewers. It's there to manipulate people's thoughts and get them on side. It's there to assassinate people's character to the public without them having a chance to defend themself. Something Chris does very well.

One question is why are people who do the more natural thing of going off with a friend and having a bitch regarded as nasty and two faced, whilst someone who choose to go to the diary room and bitch about others to the viewing audience regarded so highly. There's a phoniness about it all.

So in other words, he's doing what the diary room requires him to do...

Livia 19-07-2014 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da (Post 7072060)
He seems to do this a lot more than the others though and I think viewers should be wary of him. My suspicion of him really goes back to the speech he gave when up for the chop with the lads, in front of the girls. I thought there was something very strange about a man pouring his heart out like that in that situation.

Most viewers are intelligent enough to make up their minds. What you mean is, viewers should agree with you.

He's different from the other "lads" in that, he isn't a "lad". He may have been genuinely pouring his heart out, he may have been acting. In any case, it saved him. It's a game.

Yaki da 19-07-2014 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake. (Post 7072066)
So in other words, he's doing what the diary room requires him to do...

The diary room doesn't require anything of anyone. Hence no one being anywhere near as bad (or good depending on POV) as him.

Yaki da 19-07-2014 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7072073)
Most viewers are intelligent enough to make up their minds. What you mean is, viewers should agree with you.

He's different from the other "lads" in that, he isn't a "lad". He may have been genuinely pouring his heart out, he may have been acting. In any case, it saved him. It's a game.

Ah okay. So any level of manipulation or insincerity is always to be defended with this line.

Jamesy 19-07-2014 12:49 PM

I like Chris. He does what I would do in that house pretty much, spill the truth tea in the diary room and keep relatively to myself in the house.

I hate it when people come out with the "I say it to their face", it's pretty much just them saying "I shout and blurt out like a chav". Why should Chris say what he says in the diary room to peoples' faces? They will just seclude him and be even more horrible than they already are. It's not bitchy, not insincere, not rude, it's just common sense and Chris is doing just that.

Livia 19-07-2014 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da (Post 7072081)
Ah okay. So any level of manipulation or insincerity is always to be defended with this line.

You think the rest of them are sincere? Are you kidding me? They are all playing a game and they're all desperate to win. Otherwise, what's the point of taking part? What about Winston's performance in the same task you mentioned? Your opinion of Chris is based solely on the fact that you don't like him, so it's blinding you to the faults of the others.

Jake. 19-07-2014 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7072102)
You think the rest of them are sincere? Are you kidding me? They are all playing a game and they're all desperate to win. Otherwise, what's the point of taking part? What about Winston's performance in the same task you mentioned? Your opinion of Chris is based solely on the fact that you don't like him, so it's blinding you to the faults of the others.

Exactly, we were promised ruthless characters yet people seem to cry at the very thought

Livia 19-07-2014 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamesy (Post 7072093)
I like Chris. He does what I would do in that house pretty much, spill the truth tea in the diary room and keep relatively to myself in the house.

I hate it when people come out with the "I say it to their face", it's pretty much just them saying "I shout and blurt out like a chav". Why should Chris say what he says in the diary room to peoples' faces? They will just seclude him and be even more horrible than they already are. It's not bitchy, not insincere, not rude, it's just common sense and Chris is doing just that.

Totally agree, Jamesy.

JTM45 19-07-2014 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 7072102)
Your opinion of Chris is based solely on the fact that you don't like him, so it's blinding you to the faults of the others.

Well said Liv! :thumbs:

That's pretty much all this thread is and it's getting really stale now! He's done another one hating on Danielle.:sleep:

Josy 19-07-2014 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da (Post 7071291)
What was he spot on about? He was wrong about Danielle. It was quite right for her to be exposed for what she was.

Chris wasn't 'wrong' about Danielle, what he said was he judged her as the Danielle he knew in the house which is a great way of looking at things instead of being ate up with curiosity about the outside world and what if's when there is nothing any of them can do/find out about it whilst in the house anyway.

Of all the people to accuse of being insincere I would never think of Chris to be one of them.

Hmmm some could think you are trying for a character assassination on him because he is competition for other housemates. :smug:

Chris is old school BB IMO, a breath of fresh air between the fame hungry, nasty, miserable wannabes, that's why people like him.

rubymoo 19-07-2014 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Yaki da (Post 7071756)
What he said about Danielle was BS... He essentially said "I don't care what the actual truth is. I am only interested in how Danielle presents herself to me"

It's like someone saying "I don't care if Nasty Nick made up that his wife died in a car accident, he's seem like a decent honest chap to me"

I don't remember Danielle making up a dead person:smug:

rubymoo 19-07-2014 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7072198)
Chris wasn't 'wrong' about Danielle, what he said was he judged her as the Danielle he knew in the house which is a great way of looking at things instead of being ate up with curiosity about the outside world and what if's when there is nothing any of them can do/find out about it whilst in the house anyway.

Of all the people to accuse of being insincere I would never think of Chris to be one of them.

Hmmm some could think you are trying for a character assassination on him because he is competition for other housemates. :smug:

Chris is old school BB IMO, a breath of fresh air between the fame hungry, nasty, miserable wannabes, that's why people like him.

Well said Josy:dance:

anniemay 19-07-2014 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7069971)
No , Chris is the only sane one in there , the voice of reason , a decent man with a brain and morals and so deserves to win.

Couldn't agree more, love little Chris, intelligent, gentle, kind, and very funny. Check out some of his videos on youtube e.g http://goo.gl/oM41MI


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