wait a sec before you impatiently abscond from tales of past life regression. i was zippy in the 19th century and you were bungle.

This is what I cannot understand about him and Leslie, yes why not debate....

:joker::laugh: Well folk I have enjoyed this discussion tonight but my bed is calling, night all, take care now....

all gary is reallydoing is having conversations , or at leats attempting too....20 years ago we in the UK were capable of having conversations, that is before we in chavland UK got so dumbed down, our own prime minister didnt know anything about the magna carta when grilled under cross examination by dave letterman?

Well said I agree totally, it is the same as my "an experience is only an experience to the person having it, to others it could be a load of bunkum" it is just so hard to prove, we cannot.....

you can learn from others experiences, you dont need to prove anything though? listening and learning it depends whether you can put your ego aside first, alas jumped up james sorry king james of england, coudlnt do that, we dont do silly things like listening and learning in england do we james?

OY "the truth" the HELL you were zippy in the 19th century... George maybe ya pink buffoon [grin] but to drag back on topic again, James is a thoroughly nasty piece of work with a massively over-inflated ego and no tolerance whatsoever of the failings of his fellow housemates whatever they may be... OK I think Gary is a shambling deluded buffoon but I wouldn't provoke aggressive confrontation the way that nasty James does...I just cannot see why he would want to do that unless he is borderline sociopathic

ooooooooo geoffrey geoffrey geoffrey:cheer2:

Another thing I really disliked about James was a few days ago when he wrapped a wet towel around his hand and gave George's arse a vicious flick with it... give George his due he took it in good part but it must have hurt because he showed the weal it had made....had the roles been reversed I doubt whether superJames would have reacted as graciously

hed had claimed for whiplash as sure as the moon is round-ish

And then he wonders why some question his sexuality, with this homoerotic locker room shenanigans :/

pffft, am I surprised this pretentious fool is mocking garys story?...No.

No we turn into ash if we're burnt or bug food and bones if we're buried!
Anything that constitutes our living senses are merely electrical impulses which, as with any machine be it biological or mechanical, simply discharge when the power is switched off.
I'd love there to be some Nirvana type of Paradise that we suddenly find ourselves in after we're dead but all of the evidence points to that not being so.
We have to die after we've had our turn to make room for the next people and if we all just ended up somewhere else it would defeat the object and you'd have this massive afterlife slum where the main problem would be over-crowding. You'd have everyone from the beginning of life on this planet there and if we were all there it would figure that all of the animals that have died throughout time would be there too so it would be unbearable! We'd all be climbing on top of each other scrambling for space.

And as for reincarnation............what would be the point ? Very few people percentage-wise claim to be aware of having lived a previous life so what would the point be of giving someone a new life if they didn't even realize that they were getting a second chance and had lived before ? There would be no connection to their previous life so in effect it wouldn't have really existed.

I think we've just gotta' forget about worrying whether there might be something after this life (because there isn't!) and stop living your life by the rules of some non-existant deity that will judge you by your actions and just life this one life that you know for sure you really do have to the max! Do what you enjoy doing to the extreme regardless of whether someone tells you it's wrong or bad for you..........or do nothing if that's what pleases you!
Just worry about yourself and what makes you happy, try not to have any negative impact on others and have a blast!!!:laugh:

..I really disliked James for that conversation..(or non conversation..)..I don't think it matters whether he believed in re-incarnation himself or what he personally believes or whether he thought Gary was talking complete silliness...it's fascinating to hear of people's beliefs and he asked him about it and then just got up and walked away with a condescending look on his face...just extreme ignorance and rudeness...he asked, he should listen...ignoramus....

He's totally full of it. I agree with Leslie that his spituality is complete crap. I'm not a Leslie fan, but he was right about Gary in that instance.

Oh dear, second time now that I've had to admit that I'd probably do the same thing as James (and I haven't taken to James at all)

I'd be glad to make a quick exit as well if someone started talking about their beliefs in that way.

When you don't share a person's beliefs I don't find that there is too much to discuss - you end up either just being ear-bashed or just being berated for not sharing their beliefs.

It's the same reaction I have when those certain people knock on your door with their magazines and stories of salvation etc. need to get away from them fast.

I'm capable of having conversations, but I know that conversations regarding faith and belief are limited by their very nature.

..yeah I agree if people attempt to 'force' their beliefs on you, you know..try to persuade you I some way but for me it was that Gary just mentioned it in passing about having known his partner 37 times or being married to her 37 times before and James could have just shifted the conversation or excused himself at that point and walked away but he specifically asked Gary about it/to explain and then showed no interest at all but just rudely got up and walked away...

You may be right - it's not that I don't think James isn't rude at times.

I just don't see it quite the same way. Asking for clarity on what Gary was saying and then finding it was of absolutely no interest and having nothing to say on the matter - it doesn't seem too bad a thing to just walk away.

Thing is I get the impression that Gary may get that response a lot as he is very domineering in presenting his beliefs and attitudes and if you don't happen to be on the same wavelength he'll just be telling "you're wrong and I'm right" which is tedious at best and irritating at worst. Sometimes it's better to walk away than get into that kind of situation (again).

...hmmm..:laugh:..I guess to me your analogy of someone knocking on your door..?...it would be if that happened, you could just kind of refuse to engage in the first place because you don't feel any interest at all..?..or you could say...hmmmm, tell me about your beliefs/views then...and then just as they start to, you close the door in their face..?..you don't even say, oh actually this isn't what I believe at all and I'm not going to spend any of my or your time etc...James said nothing, didn't excuse himself, didn't say..'oh right, interesting but not something I believe in..'..just whatever, you know because he had asked....but he didn't, he said nothing and just stood up and walked away and the look Gary had..(quite rightly in my opinion)...was just bemused disbelief..or maybe what he's come to expect with many housemates..?...


..it didn't have to go into a 'back and forth' thing of differing opinions...just a ...ahh ok, I wasn't sure what you meant but these conversations aren't something that really interest me, thanks for clarifying...just give him some respect you know, because he did ask and Gary replied..?..


..by the by, re-incarnation isn't my view but I would have found that conversation fascinating and been there for hours listening and questioning...:laugh:...

Yes, of course, we put ourselves in these situations and compare others with how we would react.

I've had lots of conversations with people who believe in reincarnation and past life regressions and don't need to have any more. I would, like James, have asked more to check what Gary was going on about when he said they had 32 lives together, he thought he meant years initially.

Yes, James could have said something and not just walked away, but at this stage it all seems much of a muchness. Saying something can mean that Gary comes back with something and continues it, or gives Gary the opportunity to wind you up - as anger management says - just walk away.

..hmmm it's funny how we see things differently and yet we're all watching the same thing but that's the fascinating and interesting thing of BB and 'people watching'...:laugh:...yeah, I can understand how you see it and make valid points, maybe he did think Gary meant 32 years together and that was clarified...I think walking away was fine if he had just done it less rudely and he always seems to pride himself on 'behaving well' type thing ...I also think in general, not just with this ..that we're much more open to at least listening, even though we may disagree if we like that person/have tolerance for them..?..but when we don't have any, when we have complete intolerance or liking for them, then we're thinking...no I don't want to give any time to this etc..?...

..and I think the fact that James was not prepared to conversation yet Gary was prepared to, says to me where the 'intolerances' lie and 'who is the bigger person' despite their past differences....

Wow just woke up to see the thread did well.
I understand peoples perception of all things similar to what Gary said.
I have seen people in the Spiritual Field selling things like "protectors" and what not to pocket quick money.
There is no religion that will help with anything. The only thing that can help you in anyway related to religion but not directly is mediation. Although that has been around a lot longer than people think, it is also used for very selfish reasons and should be used to broaden your perception of duality into unity.

I'm pretty sure James could try to be less rude if he had the inclination, but I don't think Gary was up for a conversation as such here. This was all set up for a centre stage Gary monologue if James was prepared to indulge him.

I like Gary, but he's no saint, and he has an ego at least as big as James' if not bigger.
I think Gary will have to handle people walking away at times - he is unlikely to adapt himself, and I don't think he has quite the characteristics to persuade others to adapt to him.

..yeah I agree I think Gary has an ego, I think they all do and all Celebrity BB housemates in general and I agree Gary is no saint at all but I think he has some interesting views on things and has led a very varied and interesting life in general so I would be fascinated by him/am fascinated by him...much more so than I am with James because he gives his opinions so freely and quite 'forcefully' at times in my opinion and yet doesn't talk of many 'life experiences' type thing to explain them..?...both great viewing and great housemates though, eh Tip..?..:laugh:...

Indeed they are - I've now changed my mind about James for sure and want him to stay -even though I don't like him, he does give you something to react about :D

..oh yeah totally, I do want him to stay, I would love to see them both in the final and I hope neither gets booed harshly because they don't deserve it...actually I was just coming to post an 'afterthought' to my last post and say that maybe the thing is that with both of them, it is all an 'ego' thing or a 'who knows better' thing/like a clash of 'the wisdom of the house'..?..I don't know, that could possibly be a thought..Gary has 'lived it all' and is firm in his 'knowledge' and James has also observed a lot and is 'top of his game' type thing..?...so it's kind of how they're presenting their 'egos' as to how we decide which we prefer..?...LOL I love BB so much, this series is so fascinating and reminds me why I love it so much...

I would imagine a closer examination of gary and his "spirituality" would quickly show it to be just his imagination/age and accident trauma.

Combine this with the bog standard reason people say they have seen ghosts/spirts etc - ie it makes them feel important and gets them attention.

Ah but in the BB house it does not get them the right attention. The others are totally bogged down on the material part of their life, their successes their acceptance by others. It takes a great person to put forth part of their being knowing that it wont possibly be accepted. Like attracts like and for Gary there is no like in there.

It is a well known fact that accidents and operations can lead to Out of Body experiences. Many sit in meditation circles to obtain the same effect, it is all a matter of putting ones levels within the body onto a straight pathway. The people of the earth would take substances to progress their souls to achieve the healing and the aspect of having one foot on each level of understanding. There is so much and I would love to sit and talk to Gary as he is experiencing it. We are not just who we think we are we are all something far greater.

Hi Truth, I do so agree with what you are saying but the experiences I am talking about tbh, is the out of body and astral projection. Many find these hard to accept but many of us can say they are definitely truth. Because some do not understand it is easier to just make fun of that person, mind as someone said, if the person is liked he may be treated with tolerance but in the case of Gary, he isnt liked so they just put everything down to him being a doddery old man. He isnt though, he has his own truths and we are all on a pathway to discovery. Many in there wont realise that until they are past it :cheer2: they will have missed out on so much but, that is only my truth and I respect others.

I would say it's the iconoclasts of this world, those who go out of their way to ridicule and belittle people's beliefs because they don't share them rather than living and let live, who are the one's demanding attention, Trumpet. You believe "faith" is all hocum. You can't prove it is, but you believe it anyway. It's an oddly conflicting view.

I just think like this...

I know that life exists, because I am alive.

I don't know that death exists... nobody does. To be dead you can't exist, so you can't have proof of death, only proof of life.

So scientifically you can only believe in your life, and not in your death. Nobody can tell me that I am alive apart from me, and nobody can tell me that I am dead including me.

As much as irritates me.. i could sit and listen to his beliefs in spirituality for hours, i find that stuff incredibly fascinating

People believe all kinds of sh1t and thats a fact, its one of the reasons we have a legal system so that we can use hard evidence to avoid such crap.

There are not too many judgements made on a daily basis that find in favour of gods, ghosts and spirits coz in the real world they dont exist but as i have often said there is no problem believing in anything, just dont expect others to share your views if you bring them to a party.

Gary and his spirits=mark and his tea leaves

Lol.. legal system? You mean science, or proof.

well often science is used in evidence. god apparently can do many things but so far i dont think he has managed to get anyone off in a court "god told me to rob the car.. or it wasnt me that decided to burn down my neighbours house it was the spirit of Lady Di who was having a bad day and made me do it"

Being 'spiritual' has nothing to do with religion...

I don't believe in God at all, but I do believe in the afterlife/reincarnation.

I have seen 'ghosts' before & I believe that we have been someone else before. When my sister was very young she used to talk about her 'old' house where she used to live & described a Victorian looking house & the clothes that she used to wear. It freaked us out a bit. After a while she didn't even remember she had told us this & to this day thinks we are winding her up when we talk about it...

Lots of other things in my life have happened that are a little spooky or spititual (too many to go into on here) & I did used to be quite skeptical about such things...

You need to open your mind to these things to be able to see them & believe them...

A good friend of mine believed that and he took 42 tablets to kill himself ! His name was Goat and he was the only person ever to break his leg whilst playing chess in China > What a wake that was !!!:dance::dance::dance:

The late Professor Ian Stevenson ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stevenson ) did extensive research on reincarnation, investigating about 3000 cases. Whilst his work is controversial, it is the largest and most serious study done on the subject ever (so far as I know).

I do so agree, nothing at all to do with religion, each to their own though. There are many hypocrits in all sorts of life and each one thinks that they have the answers. We have to remember that once we reach a goal, do not settle on that state and think we have the answer because we do not. We have part of something greater, something which will be revealed when the time is right for each individual. In the meantime be happy and unafraid.

Once we experiece then it is hard not to believe. :wavey:

Religion is almost the opposite of spirituality!

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