And neither can you ,this is about Busey not me

Jet.

I am only 39 and looked after an 84 year old for three years who was constantly rude to me.

I understood the condition. This is the ignorance.

In this instance I don't think Gary was being very rude when James was discussing him to start with.

I haven't forgotten Gary's role at all and have mentioned throughout this thread that butting in is rude but you seem to completely ignore those parts of peoples posts and continue saying people don't blame Gary for anything.

And to answer your question no it wouldn't be okay to KEEP butting in to anyones conversations but if that conversation is about you which this one was and you are sitting right there then I don't see it as being rude enough to deserve a long winded rant from James telling you that you are being rude whilst being completely rude about you during it.

This feels like ti's going round in circles tbh.

Fair enough, we didn't see what went before. So on the live feed last night when Gary was trying to clear up and was been mocked by 4 or 5 other housemates just a few feet away, how was he being rude to 'deserve' such retribution? Let's hear you justify that.

What makes you believe he was talking behind his back when he mentioned his name, which makes it sound like he was saying something mean? I didn't see anything to suggest that.

Gary says it in the clip.

I never said he was saying something mean.

It isn't rude to hear your name, and ask what someone was saying. The only rude person in that case seemed to be James. But if James didn't say the words 'Gary'... then it might be an interruption.

Why would I justify that? Gary was doing nothing wrong at all. Some of them were being horrible, especially George saying he didn't think he was coming into an old peoples home. Utterly disgraceful!

When you say someone was 'talking behind someones back' it implies they are saying something mean. :shrug:

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Agree. I think Gary and Audley as the final 2 would be great.

Sorry Josy, I hadn't seen some of your previous posts were you said that. This thread is moving too fast!

If I heard my name mentioned when two people were talking I would of interrupted too to find out what was being said.
James love's his own voice and love's to make people look small he's a big tw*t.

Poor Ola.:laugh:

If I didn't hear the rest of what was being said, I probably would too. However, there's ways and means of doing that, and Gary shouting "Hey Hey Hey" (if that is what he did) is something people have told him over and over that they find annoying.

Housemates, rightly or wrongly, don't tend to put Gary's lack of social finesse down to brain damage or disability.

James has a short fuse and loses it - and as is often the case when tempers are lost, goes over the top. If Gary was capable of approaching this differently then I think James quite probably wouldn't lose it in quite this way. As it is, it appears both of them lack something here.

You could tell a person with a brain injury ten million times. It would make no difference. Just too ignorant of this.

It can frustrate though, granted.

Yep really well said! It's hard to judge, since we're not sure if Gary just interrupted or rudely interrupted (I do believe there is a difference), but it seems they both lack a regard for others in some ways. I think the reason that Gary is perceived better than James (in general) is because he doesn't become condescending, nasty, offensive, loud or bad-tempered, and he doesn't walk away afterwards and talk about people behind their backs. Further, Gary shows more willing to change than James from what we've seen so far. There is also the whole brain damage thing which does seem to play a role in Gary's behaviour.

It could well be that Gary's brain injury is the reason but we don't actually know that.

I've looked after people with brain injuries too, and they all had pretty unique behavioural problems.

If it was definitively the case that it was brain injury causing Gary to behave in certain ways, then BB would be doing everyone a favour if they made that known.

James is a piece of **** basically and he's making the whole house stink of his bitterness. We need him out.

I cannot bring myself to watch it he annoys me that much!!



BTW- Great avatar of the KING !!!

I agree. I think it would be essential that they make that known. Imagine the HM's coming out and finding it was the brain injury making him behave like that and they didn't know. I imagine they would be furious that they weren't told and just thought he was a rude and aggravating old so - and - so who was riling them up on purpose and they looked really bad for not understanding...

So maybe his brain injury doesn't affect him in those ways as they HM's are tested before going in there. I wish we knew one way or the other as it could change our perceptions, and the HM's too of course.

Me too, whenever I perceive Gary's behaviour to be rude/difficult I can't help but wonder if it's due to his brain injury so I shouldn't be so quick to judge.

Maybe you've seen this before but I'll say it anyway just incase. I know it's only wikipedia so not a great source, but it says that a doctor claimed Gary's mental filters were affected by his injury and was prescribed drugs to reduce that. It claims the source is from Celeb Rehab but I've never seen the show so couldn't say if it was really shown on there, or if the show is "real". If true, sounds like Gary's impulsivity (interrupting conversations etc.) could be a symptom of his injury. And if that is true, I feel really bad for Gary when housemates shout at him/nom him for interrupting.. He probably doesn't quite get what the problem is.

I really think the the clue is in not reacting/ biting back, back stabbing, slagging off, getting angry, OTT reactions. This is not normal BB behaviour.

Either that or he deserves TEN Oscars.

Yep that could well be a clue.

But some people just think he is spiritually superior -

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That puts me right off too. but i put it down to brain damage:laugh:

Which is why the HM's should be told if that is the case, otherwise it is just cruel to Gary and unfair on them not to be aware of that.
I didn't see Celeb rehab either, though I've heard about him on it, so I can't say.

Yeah I'd be so angry if I was James and had been ranting at Gary about stuff that actually was due to his brain injury and I'd had no idea about. Really unfair.

[QUOTE=LiamPRW;7226723]So if someone helps someone because they feel they need help, whether they like them or not, all good from helping said person get's taken away when they say something bad about them? i don't see that logic..


What I am trying to say is if we help someone dont then go and spoil the good deed by running the person down, it defeats the object and takes away the good will intended. Many help because they think they should but if it doesnt really come from the heart then the deed is void. Imo it is always the intent behind the purpose which counts. Are we trying to make ourselves look good or do we genuinely care?

In this instance James is getting a lot of camera time.....does he think he is great? It isnt just Gary he has had a go at...does he think he is in the right because the others seem to go along with him? How big is his ego?

[QUOTE=Jules2;7227136]Agreed. James himself gave Frenchy a lecture when she apologised for throwing food etc. that an apology isn't worth anything if there's no feeling behind it and you're just saying it because you were told. Seems similar with James to me... his help means nothing if there's no feeling behind it, which there doesn't seem to be when he talks sh*t about Gary afterwards.

Sorry for the misquote above. It won't let me edit for some reason.

[QUOTE=Jules2;7227136]Well said.

Whether he knows or not, this would stand.

Hi Jessie I think it is because I took it off to edit it but we must have acted at the same time. I did put more onto it but I think you have got it down to a T.

[QUOTE=Jules2;7227136]I doubt he thinks losing his temper with Gary is doing him good with the viewers. I think he is just being himself - short fused. And yes, he does seem to have a big ego, as do most of them.

It's not about making himself look good imo, it's obvious he doesn't like Gary, but he puts those feelings aside to help him when he knows he needs help, i know he bitches about him, but that shouldn't take away from what he has done for him, i don't see how helping someone even though he doesn't necessarily like them makes him a bad person? :shrug:

Because he was asked too by BB because of his intolerence. Was he going to say NO. ?

Now most can see it in a begruding way.

He certainly has a knowledge of spiritual things but it doesnt make him superior. If we all sat in class and were taught geography, I would be hopeless whereas another being would be top of the class. I wouldnt deem that person superior though. Everything imo depends on what we want to learn, many resort to religion and think they have the true answers etc. etc. Gary just wants to learn more and more and once a truth has been shown it is hard to let it go. At the time it is our own truth, I have many, the same as others. Nevertheless none of us is superior. It is all life.

Tbh I didnt say James was a bad person, what I am saying is dont help Gary and then go out and take the mickey out of him.......it is twofaced.

Even though that is the qualities of a really vile person.

I agree, but I think James does like him, which could make it all the more frustrating as James says he tries to help him and Gary is just rude in return. So maybe bitching about him lets out those frustrations.
We either believe what James is saying and the edits aren't showing this, or he's lying even though there are camera's around 24/7. I will believe him until someone says 'He's a liar, Gary is never rude when James is helping him' - which could happen, who knows?