Men are in danger for some crimes less than women statistically, that is one good reason it's not intended to be insulting.
Nobody is saying that there shouldn't be equality.

Men and women will never be equal any more than cats and dogs will be equal, but it is wrong for people to think that it is okay to treat men a certain way but not okay to treat women the same way.

1000% corect Liam - 'Complete bollocks' - that is the difference between Men and Women. :hehe:

and there we go.

there will never EVER be equality between anyone. Someone will ALWAYS be better off than another. it has absolutely nothing to do with 'society hate BLAH BLAHBLAH', its just life.

now since we are so into statistics, let's compare the number of women killed by hetero male partners, vs. the number of men killed by hetero female partners...

Care to share those numbers with us TS?

Let's look at the statistics about who should be afraid of who... *SPOILER ALERT!* ....it's not equal...

this :clap1:

And Kizzy for PMS. :fan:

What's PMS?

i would never pass comment on a woman in the street, no gentleman would

:joker:

Premenstrual syndrome. :fan:

Ok. I'm not stupid .... I just ... sometimes... er, ...periodically forget things.
:hehe:

Ok I am stupid - I thought it stood for; Prime Ministers Secretary. :bawling:

But at least there's only us two know I dropped a goolie Marsh - Our little secret eh?:hehe:

Kirklancaster, with your puns you are really zpoiling us.

#pleased

Thanks TS.

Ever get the feeling you're in the minority though Cait? lol

i am! im in the minority in a few ways, yet i dont give a flying ****... im not going to let it upset me, nor am i going to use it as a sob story

get on with life, ffs people

True dat.

I think people just need something to complain about. It annoys me though, when there are actual serious issues out there to complain about..

yes. exactly. ****ing preach

no, people don't just need something to complain about. Many women are actually intimidated and bullied just for walking down the street.

It's not okay.

now smile! smile bitch! SMILe! If you don't smile and pretend to like it then you are a stuck up femiNAZI, and you deserve abuse!

I find a firm "F... off" works quite well.

That tends to be my response to the random 'smile, it might never happen' comments(wehich by the way, I have had from both men and women)

I would never respond like that to someone complimenting me though :laugh:

That just turns some blokes on,They like it when you talk dirty.lol

Looking beautiful today,Livia.

..this was the same/similar reactions from females when the did the same experiment with an attractive male, I think he was a model so is it a sexist thing as such or more to do with that person being perceived as attractive..?...and then surely there would be some who would maybe feel complimented and others who would feel uncomfortable ..?..I think though generally that I agree with LT when he said he wouldn't comment because you don't know that person at all so don't know how they would feel about it and anyway, it is an invasion of their privacy and space if they're just walking down a street or something...I mean really if it was the opposite and someone was deemed to be 'unattractive' physically and people/strangers felt they had the right to make negative comments/insults...then that wouldn't be acceptable/we would be saying 'idiots'...so is it any more acceptable because the comments are sometimes 'positive'..I put that in single quotations because it's up to the person receiving them as to whether they feel they're positive....imagine if that wasn't staged though, that guy who followed her for 5 minutes...that was seriously creepy and would have been very scary....

There are some really well thought out, well written, valid posts on here from both sides.

However, I always chat to strangers and when I was younger, used to always pay compliments to pretty girls. I've never had a problem, because I believe that it's not only what you say, but also the way in which you say it.

No intelligent, decent, self-assured woman is going to respond to a "You're worth one love" or a "Nice arse" type of remarks from boorish morons - unless it's with a well deserved 'Livia-style' "FK Off creep" retort, and the less confident type of woman has a right to be, and will be, intimidated by such offensive intrusions.

I do not think though, that on an overcast day, if a man smiles at an approaching pretty girl and says; "Morning beautiful - you've just brightened up my day" - or suchlike - that there is anything wrong with this. It is polite, cheery, inoffensive, and not even 'flirty', and in my opinion should be accepted as such by the recipient of the compliment - invited or not.

I truly believe that a man who is armed with a great sense of humour and can make a woman laugh - I mean really laugh - has a great advantage over other men who haven't such a quality when it comes to captivating women.

Obviously this is not applicable if the guy with the humour has the 'head of a crab and the body of a Social Worker' - to quote Woody Allen (who is a classic case in point - look at the beautiful women he's dated) but generally, I hold with my tenet.

I for one, would not have met some of the memorable loves of my life had I not took the first step and paid such 'uninvited' compliments to 'beautiful strangers'.

Just as with 'street peddlers', 'Big Issue' hawkers and 'Survey Takers' - all of whom make uninvited 'intrusions' into a passer by's 'personal space' - a female recipient of a good natured but 'uninvited' compliment from a smiling male, always has several options open to her, including totally ignoring, rudely retorting, or graciously acknowledging the compliment with a smile.

Insulting and offensive remarks to women by dimwitted sexist morons, or all degrees of persistent following or even 'stalking' by sexually inadequate social misfits, will always occur - whether ordinary males make innocuous compliments to passing women or not.

When I was a child, 'our street' had a character - an ageing ex WW2 seaman - who used to get pissed as a newt every payday and would roll up the cobbled street throwing sweets to all the 'urchin' kids from a huge bag of mixed sweets he'd buy from the corner shop on his way home from his dinnertime session at the local pub. He'd do this because he loved children and had lost his own young son during the war. Today this poor innocent, kind-hearted man would probably be stoned as a paedophile.

Why? Because society is fecked up (thank's for that word Arista). Because of our growing awareness now of the -admitted - existence of paedophilia, we tend to overreact and 'tar everyone with the same brush'.

It is a shame, but this same 'sad reality' is just as existent in the subject under discussion, but just because there are a minority of weirdos and sexist creeps out there, we should not censure normal males who just happen to indulge in the 'time-honoured' tradition of paying passing pretty girls compliments.

As for 'ugly girls', then I say that not only is 'beauty' subjective, but also, that I am as likely to say a cheery "Good Morning" or some other 'ice-breaking' comment to a passing 'non-beautiful' female stranger as I am to a passing beautiful one (or to a male for that matter) but - obviously - I am not going to say: "Morning beautiful" if she looks like Ann Widdicombe and her beard needs trimming, because then she will be offended, because she will think I am taking the piss.

Anyway, while I am not trivialising the very real issue of females being 'accosted' or cat-called by loutish cretins, I make an appeal not to confuse that issue with friendly guys making innocuous compliments or other good-natured remarks -- Sometimes; "good morning beautiful, you have just brightened my day" delivered with a smile, can mean just that, and sometimes, any 'sub-textual' meaning, or 'sinister' undertone, is surely in the mind of the recipient.

I very much agree kirklancaster - the problem here is not men, it's "morons"... and unfortunately, there's a large element of same-brush-tarring.

The problem is that the world is simply full of not-very-intelligent, not-very-civilised people, of both genders. There's a huge element of "monkey see, monkey do" - working class men catcalling because their buddies catcall who do it because their other buddies do it, ad infinitum.

What makes the problem more pronounced with men is that, it's a sad fact of biology, unintelligent men are more likely to think with what's in their pants than unintelligent women. That's not a societal issue, that's simple testosterone level. On that biological level, men and women can simply never be identical. And that's why when seeking "equality", it's foolish to aim for "sameness". We can, and should, be equal in the sense that neither gender is "better" than the other, or favoured in any meaningful way, or has more rights than the other... but we can't ever be equal in the sense of being "the same".

So.... by that logic the only men who can pass uninvited comment to a stranger is a good looking intelligent person, whose comments should be accepted without question?

It's not what you say it's how you say it that's the issue here? I'm sorry but I don't feel that was the point of the exercise at all and some have totally missed the point.
By this logic a woman walking through a high class establishment such as a university campus and the harassment she received would be entirely justified.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...assment-victim

What about these good looking, young and well educated men?

So.... by that logic the only men who can pass uninvited comment to a stranger is a good looking intelligent person, whose comments should be accepted without question?

Kizzy - I never mentioned good looks or intelligence in the male in my post, nor did I say that his "comments should be accepted without question". Read my post again and you will see this.

It's not what you say it's how you say it that's the issue here? I'm sorry but I don't feel that was the point of the exercise at all and some have totally missed the point.

I really think that you are so intent on reading into the post what you want to see, that it is you who have 'missed the point' of what I was saying. I didn't say that "it was not what you say it's how you say it". I said "it's not only what you say, but also the way in which you say it." Meaning that if what you say is innocuous, cheery and/or complimentary, and is delivered with an engaging smile in a benign, inoffensive manner, then that has a far likelier chance of being met with a smile in return, than does the boorish, sexist remarks of your average neanderthal lout.

By this logic a woman walking through a high class establishment such as a university campus and the harassment she received would be entirely justified.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...assment-victim

'Class' has never really had anything to do with genuine manners or consideration for others, and being born into the aristocracy or even Royalty, is no guarantee of either 'good looks' or a charming personality - as any close inspection of our Royal Family or Peerage will confirm - so in this context 'High Class' is a misnomer. Especially since now, kids from all strata of society attend university. Additionally, one cannot be too specific in any post, but has to generalise to a degree.

In any event, I did not state or even intimate that making remarks to passing women should be the prerogative of good looking, intelligent, upper class males and should be 'accepted' without question. Boorish sexist remarks are threatening, uncalled for and constitute harassment, and Ignorant Louts are Ignorant Louts - whether they are called Billy Grimneck from Hull, or Algernon Thaddius Warbuck the Third from Heaton Square, Belgravia, and whether they are catcalling an innocent woman in the 3rd aisle of Netto, or whilst enjoying the contents of a Fortnum and Mason's picnic hamper while laying on the clipped grassy river bank at the Henley Regatta.

I did not defend any type of catcalling or harassment of women, and I did not deny that some women will be intimidated by such boorish behaviour. What I was pointing out in my post, was that it is a categorical overreaction because of this, to 'tar' males who may make -innocuous - comments in a friendly and non threatening manner to passing girls, with the 'same brush'.

Please read my post again and you will see that this is true, and that there was, therefore, no need for your response - which is completely off target - because I was not actually stating any of the things you have reacted to

Moot point; intelligent, civilized people don't catcall at strangers at all.

Note - people, not men, again, women do it too... it may be less common but that doesn't mean it should simply be overlooked)

Not how you say it, but rather the circumstances, surely? I personally don't think there's anything wrong with going up to someone in, say, a cafe if they're on their own / not obviously busy and introducing yourself and seeing if they're interested in talking to you. How else, beyond school / the workplace, is anyone supposed to meet new people without it being contrived? If someone interests you, you should try to talk to them. Who knows how many great opportunities are missed every day because people don't.

I don't think it's even wrong to talk to someone in the street, but the way to do it would be to catch their attention first, say excuse me, or just even give the clear opportunity for them to make small talk, and if they are interested, then they'll stop, if not, then walk on... AFTER they've shown some interest by talking would be the time to offer a compliment, surely. Not to just jump straight in with it. Once you're actually talking to someone I see nothing wrong with compliments and I don't even understand why it's any sort of problem or even has to mean anything, at all, besides being just an observation and a nice thing to say. Telling someone that they have nice eyes, for example, shouldn't have to be a "chat up line"... it's actually really sad that it would always be considered one.

A few weeks ago, a (slightly tipsy, to be fair) elderly gentleman who was at my workplace was telling me that I was a "very handsome lad" and that I "should have been a star of the silver screen!" :joker:. I was quite chuffed, really! It should be NICE for people to say nice things. People should be able to compliment - and take compliments - without it always being construed as something sexual or an indication of attraction. Wouldn't it be a better world?


This again I think is slightly irrelevant to the topic, which is modern feminism in the western world. There are obviously huge first and second wave feminist issues in many areas of the world where women genuinely have fewer legal rights and are can often be treated like cattle. Egypt is somewhat better than many, but no one's going to dispute that there are gender equality issues there. Note that well educated doesn't necessarily mean "not pig ignorant". I mean, look at David Cameron...

'nor did I say that his "comments should be accepted without question'

'I do not think though, that on an overcast day, if a man smiles at an approaching pretty girl and says; "Morning beautiful - you've just brightened up my day" - or suchlike - that there is anything wrong with this. It is polite, cheery, inoffensive, and not even 'flirty', and in my opinion should be accepted as such by the recipient of the compliment - invited or not.'

With the above quote you are justifying the action, which prompted my comment. And I still feel you missed the point due to the fact it was shown in the video that even innocent 'hellos' and 'good morning beautifuls' were highlighted as unwanted attention.
Whether you feel they are in the same league or have the same connotation is irrelevant.

Well,Imo,If a woman takes offence to someone saying 'morning beautiful' or similar then it's her problem and she needs to lighten up.

Just watched this ....

Hmmm... I am not offended by compliments but the problem is that once you acknowledge the person giving you a compliment, you've started a dialogue and sometimes that will give people the green flag. So sadly, even nice, well-meant compliments will go unacknowledged by me.

Hollywood isn't really the best place to conduct such experiments. Not exactly your average street is it? :laugh:

True .:laugh:

True.Atleast it does'nt offend you though like in man hating gender war type of offence.
I've never been one to just complement a woman in the street that i've never met before unless i was drunk tbh.Would'nt even dream of doing it now i'm not a single man anymore,If i did I'd probably think wtf am doing? Afterwards.
Can't see how it would be offensive though.

That's really scary.

I love Jewish women - I really do, and although I've never seen you, nor know what you look like, l am drawn to your intellect, style and 'ballsyness'.

There Livia - a few genuine compliments. No need to verbally acknowledge but a fleeting smile wouldn't hurt - would it?:blush:

Agree.

Why thank you, Kirk. That's very sweet of you to say.

Now don't go following me down the street and assuming we're engaged or anything...

:joker: