I have only seen Ken discussing the use of the word with 2 black people so far. Alex and the black lady on Loose Women. Both said the word is unacceptable and the lady on loose women pointed out it is also now seen as a racist word. I DONT see how this debate continues with such clear evidence pointing out the word IS racist and IS offensive.

The evidence is that the two most respected black figures in modern political history, being Barack Obama and Martin Luther King - BOTH use that word as a racial category (see Obama's US census of 2010). No wonder many people (Ken included) feel comfortable in using it as an acceptable racial term. Until now.

So what happened to make it racist all of a sudden? Who decided it was racist? BB?

Does that also now mean that ALL the racial categories on the census list are suddenly to be considered as equally racist: including 'hispanic', 'caucasian' etc?

Or if it's just 'Negro' that's to be considered offensive now, then what word are we supposed to use instead as the Black equivalent of 'Caucasian'?

And will that new word also become offensive in the next 4 years just as 'Negro' has from 2010 - 2014?

I'm just highlighting the insanity of it all here.

No, its offensive. Would you be happy being called Blanc? Do you really call people negroes? I mean I cba with this convo. READ THIS. AN apology to Obama for the use of the word..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_417406.html

Obama is ok with the use of the word is he? Case closed.

Cheers.

Obama was ok enough with the word to allow his administration to use it as an official racial category as recently as in their 2010 census. Only four years ago - it was a perfectly acceptable term on a governmental level. So what has happened since then to make it offensive? I have no idea.

Not saying it hasn't become offensive to some people since 2010 but what i'm highlighting is the bizarre confusion surrounding the use of the word when it has been used in a legitimate official capacity like the census and then suddenly becomes regarded as an offensive term on Big Brother within 4 short years. It's an alarming switch from one end of the acceptability scale to the other, in a very short space of time.

No wonder people are confused by it.

And seeing as you asked, I'm mixed race and am happy with the word blanc or negro. In fact, you can call me what you like. I am an adult and don't need anyone to police what people say to me, i can deal with it myself. I don't take offence unless people mean to cause me offence - no matter what language they use.

And if you CBA with this convo then don't bother yourself with it. And that's the case closed. Cheers.

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Errr its actually been removed from the U.S census now.. Don't really think Obama was in presidency long enough nor did he have the time to have it removed by 2010. But it has been removed now. For obvious reasons. Case closed.

Cheers.

Go read about the history of the word. And why the meaning of it has changed over the years. It might simply be "A word" to you. But that word has a very SYMBOLIC meaning and we should respect and allow for that as decent, civilized human beings.

he wasn't called anyone a negro.....he was simply usuing it as part of a story. this is a grotesque over reaction and attack on free speech....by the way has anyone seen the roasts on American tv? now that's what you call freedom of speech

What about the first time he used the words whilst putting on A SOUTHERN AMERICAN accent? Was that a story too? What about "Pickaninny"? Was that a story too?

I am all for Freedom of speech... NOONE is stopping Ken from saying what he wants.. its not like hes been killed and ceases to exist...he still has Freedom of speech.

I am also allowed to exercise my Freedom of speech by blasting his use of the words...


Cheers.

you blast away like perez doesn't sound too smart though.....I think the time he said that he was possibly trying to get a rise out of alexander and it was right bb had a word....though I say again he didn't name call anyone and he was merely making a point about the actual meaning of these words which was accurate.

Don't compare me to Perez I am very much all man.

And thanks, you just admitted his use of the word was inappropriate.


Cheers. Run along now. Next subject.

are you saying perez isn't all man, that's offensive:nono:
I didn't admit that either so youre being disingenuous (lying)
run along now youre out of your depth boy

Did you not say he was "Trying to get a rise out of Alexander"? (lie!?!?)

Who knows if Perez is all man or not? He sure does come across as quite effeminate.. Something which I am not..So don't compare us. Perhaps it is you who is out of your depth.

it sounds homophobic to say hes not all man, tut tut , and to think you had the nerve to lecture others about what words to use, such hypocrisy

Well it sounds homophobe to you. But not to me.. Freedom of speech remember?

Run along now before you embarrass yourself even further.

you think youre more man than perez and hes not a proper man because hes gay? wow how ignorant. then you go on to try and preach to others about what politically correct words you think they should be allowed to use? sounds like perez is more man after all

Seems you either cannot read properly or are missing a pair of glasses somewhere.. Read again.

" He sure does come across as quite effeminate.. Something which I am not..So don't compare us. "

Do I really need to re- post my own posts to you? Is he not effeminate? I did not even mention the fact he is gay.. You cannot compare this to the actual subject of the thread. Keep on topic.

Cheers.

more disingenuous nonsense jose....you said you were more man than him, that's pretty homophobic, shame on you....to think youre trying to lecture others on what language to use too lol what a joke

What I find a joke is the fact you cannot differentiate between being effeminate and being Homosexual.

Go look up both words in the dictionary. For your information, not all gay people are effeminate. To think you are so bad at debating. Thats the real joke here.

good try boy. you said you were more man than perez, that's homophobic, you've dug your homophobic hole yourself you may as well jump in and bury yourself and your reputation

I don't see anything wrong with what I have said. Fool yourself all you want Mr NOT SO truth.

that shows the ignorance is deep rooted in you, scary.....telling a gay man youre more man than him is very offensive. educate yoruself

Educate yourself and realise that not ALL gay people are effeminate like Perez.


If anyone here is being prejudice it is you. By assuming all gay men are effeminate. PLZ go bury your head in the sand like an ostrich man. Infact I never even mentioned the fact he was gay lmao! Infact what makes it even more funny is I just simply said not to compare us. You are a clown.

youre lying again. you said you were more man than perez, that's homophobic, you need to apologise then go away and educate yourself boy

You need to sober up. Your the one who is comparing being effeminate to homosexuality. Not me. Go learn a few things, then come back.. this exchange is about as stimulating as watching paint dry.

Infact you should probably change you name from "thetruth" to "Denial" cos thats all you seem to do.. Deny the truth.

Cheers.

For someone who just told me you CBA with this convo, you seem unable to actually follow that through and walk away from it.

You are telling me to 'go read about the history of the word'? I know all about it son and i have given examples of its history. I am simply pointing out the confusion surrounding its use from being a very recent, accepted official racial category on the census in 2010 to suddenly switching and being an offensive term in 2015.

Yes it's 'A word' - but whatever term is used to describe racial types is always going to be 'A word'. And we need words to describe ourselves and the world around us. The question is - what words CAN we use without someone getting offended? My point being what is an acceptable term on mpnday may become unacceptable by wednesday, so how do you keep up? The rules keep changing and it's maddening, do you not see that?

For example - What word would YOU use to describe the racial type of Martin Luther King?

He didn't like the word 'black', he preferred the word 'negro'. But what would YOU call him?

listen liar you said youre more man than perez did you or did you not?

Martin Luther King was born when that word was acceptable. His use of it is far different from the one this thread is related to. To compare it to that is avoiding the reality of the situation. The word has now become unacceptable over the years. Do you not see that? And its not just "A word " anymore. The world is not as simple as that.

Listen Mr denial. Go read what I've posted.

Err maybe you should both stop getting personal against one another :umm2:

I only retaliate.

I'll say it again!! I am more man than Perez! Perez is effeminate. I am not. I got nothing against homosexuals. So don't compare me and Perez.


Cheers.

Perez is a bigger dick so he is more man than most people. :laugh:

lol You have a point

homophobe

Strange that your the only one who seems to think so, oh well whatever floats yo boat.

I don't need to get every opinion validated by others, maybe you do, that would be weak and spineless, Im more man than that

Well, when you accuse people of being "Homophobe" Which is actually a very strong accusation, it is probably a good idea to have more than one opinion to validate your accusation, otherwise, your accusation more often than not is deemed to be BullS$%^ which I think on this occasion is the word to use.

This is like playing with my dog.

*Pats you on head*

homophobe