So this guy is a homophobe because he want to follow his Christian beliefs, what does that make the gay couple then?

Public perception.

Oh come on, we had a story here just yesterday about a gay man being thrown off a roof for being gay........ I haven't actually heard a story similar to this one in Ireland, if I did I would post about that too :shrug:

Snow White Printers?

do they do discounts on the letter K if used 3 times?

Oh that's racist :fist: we're out of business already :hehe:

We're not talking about throwing people off roofs, we're talking about a service being refused and the perception of people's religious beliefs being valid or invalid.

No, no discounts. And no cheques or credit.

Whatever twisted perception anyone has is of no concern to me, this relates to religion, political correctness does come into it as here politics and religion clash...
As much as I an against religion if that's how someone lives their life I'm for that, not sure if you noticed that.

LOL... I was thinking of the fairy tale, honest I was.

Yes, everyone who feels an aversion to homosexuality is homophobic, I don't believe homophobia is a strong word though, there are all kinds of homophobes and I'm sure most don't vocalise their dislike so that doesn't bother me as long as nobody is being discriminated.

Ok, that's the only story I've heard recently though with regards to Muslims and gay people and it's a hell of alot worse than this one here :laugh:

If there was a story similar to this one but with a Muslim business I would also post it :P I imagine there's a hell of a lot less Muslim run printers in Ireland then there are Christian ones though so i wouldn't hold my breath!

A homosexual is denied a service on the single basis of a persons personal beliefs that their sexuality is 'wrong' and you somehow flip this into an attack on Christians.

It wouldn't be part of a long standing religious doctrine stretching back through generations and written thousands of years ago.
Anything with views like this wouldn't get off the ground in the modern day.

Look, if I'm not winning this argument, I insist on wrestling for it.

Exactly.

Why did my brain automatically turn that into an image of mud wrestling? :bawling:

no -scared-

But they are following the teaching of their religion, it doesn't automatically follow that they have negative attitudes to gays! Just that perhaps they like to stick to the code laid down by their religion.

It's all this gay talk Jess, messing with your mind. 10 Hail Marys and an Our father

Emphasis on "back then..."

Yes.....I know that

I guess what I'm saying is although I don't agree with the Printer's reasons for not giving work to this person, I have to accept that the printer has the final say in who he gives work to and if through some outdated misguided religious dogma he feels unable to associate with Gay people then that is his problem.

But to try and publicize and call for his business to be ruined or for him to face some kind of legal redress for holding these religious views is also wrong.

You cannot force someone to take an unfamiliar or alien view only educate them so they realise their traditional view is unfair,unjust and has no place in the modern World.

Well I didn't want to put it so bluntly but it has come to that. Religion is belief, homosexuality is fact, if these people don't believe that these people should be allowed to love each other or find each other attractive then they fit into a category with other people who think like them. I haven't said anything bad about homophobia, I just said that these people are homophobic.

Exactly what? ... :laugh: you're hypothetical modern religion analogy proves nothing.
It has nothing to do with this as the onus is on established religious beliefs, they cannot be changed along with cultural norms.
He hasn't incited any hatred or made public his view it was his own personal interpretation of text. If we seek to change what would that entail?

Just the track your brain takes, Jess, I guess.

Exactly as in people wouldn't get away with starting up a religion nowadays with such out dated, sexist and homophobic views so therefore we should not allow already existing religions that hold similar views get away with discrimination just because they say it's part of their religious beliefs. I mean if Religious people are allowed to discriminate because of their religion but non religious people aren't isn't that discriminating against non religious homophobes? :laugh:

So you don't agree that he shouldn't do the work on religious grounds but on the basis that he just dislikes homosexuals it's ok?
I don't think I subscribe to that, and you would have to have been living in a cave for the last 20yrs to not know that cultural norms relating to homosexuality have moved on.

I guess Atheist's could say it was their Humanist views and these views should not be considered inferior to religious views. This would mean they have an equal right to be discriminatory against Gays and/or Gay Marriage.

Nobody said the guy who wouldn't let Rhianna get her knockers out in a video on his farm had a negative attitude towards women, it just didn't fit with his values, and that was the end of it.

We can't change what was written thousands of years ago.
You could suggest the bible is hate propaganda and call for it to be burned... good luck with that.

:umm2: That doesn't make sense at all, I'm sure there are plenty of homophobic atheists and if the printers were atheists and refused to print the invitations for this couple, I'm sure the couple would still feel discriminated against. :shrug:

Er....No I'm not saying that at all

Read my post again, I can't make it any simpler to understand.

It wasn't supposed to..........

And it would be completely wrong, just like this is

I don't really think they're comparable :laugh:

Or I could just suggest what I have been all through this thread, that discrimination like this should not be tolerated by our governments :shrug:

Then explain 'traditional view' to me... I don't understand this term.

There are hate laws in place to prohibit inciting discrimination via any means, what has this to do with personal views?

You've actually lost me now Kizzy.

Why are they not comparable? The farmer exercised his rights to do as he felt and believed on his property, the printer is doing the same, is he not being discriminated against for his beliefs?

You said it shouldn't be tolerated by government, they aren't.
But until we get rid of all churches and have thought police individuals with religious views can think as they like.

There's a difference between stripping off on someones property and refusing to work with a person because they are a stripper

Sure they can think what they like lol, when did I ever say they couldn't?

[QUOTE=Niamh.;7627049]There's a difference between stripping off on someones property and refusing to work with a person because they are a stripper

:suspect:

Based on those thoughts they can offer their services....or not.
That is the crux of the problem isn't it?