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GypsyGoth 07-04-2015 08:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7688384)
What does this mean Josy?
It;s her answer to the question in the thread title.

I think it will be 6.

kirklancaster 07-04-2015 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GypsyGoth (Post 7688412)
It;s her answer to the question in the thread title.

I think it will be 6.
Oh Thanks Goth. I feel like a duhbrain now. :laugh:

And I hope that your estimate is closer than Josy's .

user104658 07-04-2015 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7688490)
Oh Thanks Goth. I feel like a duhbrain now. [emoji23] .
A Dubaian?? Come on Kirk, just because they're Mooslims doesn't mean they're stupid!

Cherie 07-04-2015 09:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7688366)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7688384)
What does this mean Josy?
:laugh: it means Josy has not lost sight of the original question

Cherie 07-04-2015 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7688534)
A Dubaian?? Come on Kirk, just because they're Mooslims doesn't mean they're stupid!
:joker:

Cherie 07-04-2015 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 7688060)
He maybe,with respect, just looks at both sides and knows things are rarely all black or white but there is lots of grey inbetween all that.
I agree with all he has said.

Nothing is all negative or all positive.
Nicely put Joey

DemolitionRed 07-04-2015 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7688067)
From the linked website you provide above Red:

"CReAM is an independent and interdisciplinary research centre located in the Department of Economics at University College London."

Oh My!, INDEPENDENT: that means 'IMPARTIAL', 'NO VESTED INTEREST' doesn't it?

And the authors and all the reasearch staff are all intellectuals based in a British University as well.

Then, Gee, their pro-immigration 50 page investigatory Paper entitled; "THE FISCAL EFFECTS OF IMMIGRATION TO THE UK" has to be scrupulously fair, hasn't it?

What's more, its conclusion that European immigrants to the UK have paid more in taxes than they received in benefits, helping to relieve the fiscal burden on UK-born workers and contributing to the financing of public services" must be true also.

I can't help but notice though that this 'investigatory research paper' only deals with immigration since 2005, and then only specifically with EUROPEAN immigrants, but 'Hey Ho' as my good friend Forrest says; "Independent is as impartial does".

So who are "Cream"? Let's have a look:

Christian Dustmann, Director

Jonathan Wadsworth, Deputy Director

Ian Preston, Deputy Research Director

Marco Alfano, Senior Research Officer

Thomas Cornelissen, Senior Research Officer

Anna Okatenko, Senior Research Officer

Joseph-Simon Görlach, Research Officer

Ines Helm, Research Officer

Luigi Minale, Research Officer

Anna Raute, Research Officer

Jerome Adda, Research Fellow

Samuel Berlinski, Research Fellow

Pedro Carneiro, Research Fellow

Francesco Fasani, Research Fellow

Tommaso Frattini, Research Fellow

Albrecht Glitz, Research Fellow

Steve Machin, Research Fellow

Suphanit Piyapromdee, Research Fellow

Imran Rasul, Research Fellow

Uta Schoenberg, Research Fellow

And for maximum balance, let's add 'The Coordinator',

Maria Lambrianidou

Independent/Impartial/No Vested Interest..... Mmmm. The last 'Independent' paper I read similar to this was: "Why Victorian London Needs Waif And Stray Children" and the authors were some guys called ...err... yeah that's it, Fagin and Bill Sikes.

Please excuse me while I burst into laughter, then I will post a response complete with several links to rebuttal articles - all from as equally educated and qualified academics, and with suitably impressive facts and data as the above 'independent' paper.
I'm glad my post and link made you laugh kirk. There's not enough laughter in the world!

Goes off and has a little snigger to myself.

the truth 07-04-2015 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7688225)
It really confuses me when people say things like this. If you aren't confident of your opinions, then why bother holding them as opinions at all? We could just have every SN&D thread start with a question or statement and then have every member come in and say "I dunno!"... But that would be pointless, boring and stupid.

I mean, I disagree with easily 80% of what Kirk has to say and literally 100% of what he has to say about terrorism, religion, the EU and immigration... And he is easily as sure of himself as I am if not moreso... But I still find many of his posts to be an interesting read.

Also... depending on the topic, you can be pretty sure of yourself too Ms Livia.

There's nothing wrong with it, I'd take it over a load of lily-livered "just my opinion and I might be wrong but it may be possible or may not but maybe..." any day.
theres endless information and different ways of looking at all these matters, to try and state such a black and white opinion comes across as immature

kirklancaster 07-04-2015 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 7688633)
I'm glad my post and link made you laugh kirk. There's not enough laughter in the world!

Goes off and has a little snigger to myself.
:laugh: I love you Red - even if we are diametrically opposed on most subjects (it seems)

p.s - There sure is a lot of good ole foreign names on that list of impartial worthies though.... Isn't there?

kirklancaster 07-04-2015 10:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7688534)
A Dubaian?? Come on Kirk, just because they're Mooslims doesn't mean they're stupid!
:laugh: Only your mind could come up with that T.S.

user104658 08-04-2015 07:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7688635)
theres endless information and different ways of looking at all these matters, to try and state such a black and white opinion comes across as immature
... You trollin'?

kirklancaster 08-04-2015 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7689230)
... You trollin'?
:laugh2:

Kizzy 08-04-2015 08:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7688871)
:laugh: I love you Red - even if we are diametrically opposed on most subjects (it seems)

p.s - There sure is a lot of good ole foreign names on that list of impartial worthies though.... Isn't there?
I'm waiting for the information you promised, I'm sure all the names associated will be good old English ones.

This makes an interesting read,

'Unemployed Britons in Europe are drawing much more in benefits and allowances in the wealthier EU countries than their nationals are claiming in the UK, despite the British government’s arguments about migrants flocking in to the country to secure better welfare payments.

At least 30,000 British nationals are claiming unemployment benefit in countries around the EU, research by the Guardian has found, based on responses from 23 of the 27 other EU countries.

The research shows more than four times as many Britons obtain unemployment benefits in Germany as Germans do in the UK, while the number of jobless Britons receiving benefits in Ireland exceeds their Irish counterparts in the UK by a rate of five to one.'


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...im-benefits-eu

Kizzy 08-04-2015 09:04 AM
More info that shoots a hole in the 'health tourism' UKIP angle.

'The cost of treating British people who become ill while travelling in Europe is five times higher than the cost of treating ill visitors from other European countries in the UK, official figures show.

The Department of Health data, obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, shows that it cost £30m in 2013-14 to meet the costs of European visitors using the National Health Service. This is less than one-fifth of the £155m cost to other states in the European single market for treating ill British tourists.'

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...nt-cost-to-nhs

bots 08-04-2015 12:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7689246)
More info that shoots a hole in the 'health tourism' UKIP angle.

'The cost of treating British people who become ill while travelling in Europe is five times higher than the cost of treating ill visitors from other European countries in the UK, official figures show.

The Department of Health data, obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, shows that it cost £30m in 2013-14 to meet the costs of European visitors using the National Health Service. This is less than one-fifth of the £155m cost to other states in the European single market for treating ill British tourists.'

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...nt-cost-to-nhs

Also put that 30 million into the perspective of the annual nhs budget which I believe is over 95 billion. Its not even going to dent our deficit which would be the only reason for restricting who medical treatment is provided to.

Kizzy 08-04-2015 12:30 PM
UKIPs popularity is on the wane, they are a bit of a one trick pony ...do they even have a manifesto yet?

I had no idea Al Murray was standing in south Thanet :laugh:

Cherie 08-04-2015 01:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7689239)
I'm waiting for the information you promised, I'm sure all the names associated will be good old English ones.

This makes an interesting read,

'Unemployed Britons in Europe are drawing much more in benefits and allowances in the wealthier EU countries than their nationals are claiming in the UK, despite the British government’s arguments about migrants flocking in to the country to secure better welfare payments.

At least 30,000 British nationals are claiming unemployment benefit in countries around the EU, research by the Guardian has found, based on responses from 23 of the 27 other EU countries.

The research shows more than four times as many Britons obtain unemployment benefits in Germany as Germans do in the UK, while the number of jobless Britons receiving benefits in Ireland exceeds their Irish counterparts in the UK by a rate of five to one.'


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...im-benefits-eu

An interesting read, what does Farage and his cronies plan to do with all those expats who will become foreigners in their adopted land should we exit the EU I wonder?


Kirk?? you know alot about their proposals has this been addressed?

Kizzy 08-04-2015 01:11 PM
They'll become 2 million illegal immigrants overseas, I think that's as far as the plans have gotten so far.

Nedusa 08-04-2015 01:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7689378)
UKIPs popularity is on the wane, they are a bit of a one trick pony ...do they even have a manifesto yet?

I had no idea Al Murray was standing in south Thanet :laugh:
People in Scotland used to say that about the SNP as well.

Kizzy 08-04-2015 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 7689407)
People in Scotland used to say that about the SNP as well.
That their only policy was immigration?

Nedusa 08-04-2015 02:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 7689417)
That their only policy was immigration?
No...the bit in bold.

the truth 08-04-2015 03:58 PM
I don't really care that much about immigration, certainly not here in rural wales where frankly they could do with a bit more population whether that comes from immigration fair enough. but Europe is the real key issue for me. its an unquantifiable disaster. ask the truck drivers the bus drivers as the delivery drivers train drivers minibus and taxi drivers. the rules and regulations are insane. I dare anyone here to try and understand all of the rules on drivers , the tachos the disks the sheets the check lists the downloads the weights and measures, the torque rules the drivers hours rules, the rest rules etc etc then look into how different countries adhere to these endless rules and how others do not and the different fines for different offences in different areas etc INSANE

user104658 08-04-2015 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 7689535)
I don't really care that much about immigration, certainly not here in rural wales where frankly they could do with a bit more population whether that comes from immigration fair enough. but Europe is the real key issue for me. its an unquantifiable disaster. ask the truck drivers the bus drivers as the delivery drivers train drivers minibus and taxi drivers. the rules and regulations are insane. I dare anyone here to try and understand all of the rules on drivers , the tachos the disks the sheets the check lists the downloads the weights and measures, the torque rules the drivers hours rules, the rest rules etc etc then look into how different countries adhere to these endless rules and how others do not and the different fines for different offences in different areas etc INSANE
So it would be easier for truckers travelling internationally to have to learn the individual rules of every single nation they pass through? Which might be completely different upon crossing each border?

I'm not saying you're wrong about there being too much red tape but this is the sort of problem that can only be solved from within. Not by picking up your ball and going home. Many truckers travel throughout Europe and are still going to be subject to EU regulations as soon as they leave the UK... Presumably.

user104658 08-04-2015 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 7689407)
People in Scotland used to say that about the SNP as well.
Only in the sense that the SNP's primary reason for existence (firstly independence, but in absence of that fighting for Scotland within the UK) would be nullified if independence was achieved... But it hasn't been.

the truth 08-04-2015 06:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7689583)
So it would be easier for truckers travelling internationally to have to learn the individual rules of every single nation they pass through? Which might be completely different upon crossing each border?

I'm not saying you're wrong about there being too much red tape but this is the sort of problem that can only be solved from within. Not by picking up your ball and going home. Many truckers travel throughout Europe and are still going to be subject to EU regulations as soon as they leave the UK... Presumably.
I disagree 100% its now a mishmash of all rules from all over the place bits and pieces of vetos here and there different countries adhere others don't, its a joke. in the end the sheer mass of rules and red tape has made it impossible to run these busiensses and its getting worse. this is why all but 2 European nations in the eu are going to the wall. its an unmitigated disaster

joeysteele 08-04-2015 07:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 7689583)
So it would be easier for truckers travelling internationally to have to learn the individual rules of every single nation they pass through? Which might be completely different upon crossing each border?

I'm not saying you're wrong about there being too much red tape but this is the sort of problem that can only be solved from within. Not by picking up your ball and going home. Many truckers travel throughout Europe and are still going to be subject to EU regulations as soon as they leave the UK... Presumably.
Really good post again TS.

the truth 09-04-2015 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 7689934)
Really good post again TS.
no it made no sense at all. youre just sticking to your talking points and refusing to actually think and acknowledge the disastrous effects of the wasteful mindless impractical bankrupt unaccountable unaccounted superstate of the European union. the time has come to deal with real politics as theyre about to run out of other peoples money

Northern Monkey 09-04-2015 03:16 AM
3 at a push i'd say.

Josy 09-04-2015 06:33 AM
After last night I think LT will be the only person in Scotland voting for them

arista 09-04-2015 06:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josy (Post 7690877)
After last night I think LT will be the only person in Scotland voting for them

Not everyone watched that



It will be more than just LT.
Be Fair Josy

Crimson Dynamo 09-04-2015 06:54 AM
They could have put someone better up than that buffoon last night

He was almost as bad as the labour guy..

billy123 09-04-2015 07:12 AM
What a shame bye bye silly kippers and good riddance!! BNP lite are failing :joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

Quote:
Fresh blow for Farage as Ukip support more the HALVES in key battleground constituencies
Ukip's support has fallen in nine out of 10 marginal seats, poll shows
Support for Nigel Farage's party has more than halved in two seats
Comes after leaked poll showed the Ukip leader on course to lose in Thanet
Nationwide support for Ukip has fallen by 25% over the last six months
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ituencies.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...8510639818.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...8510654130.jpg

Crimson Dynamo 09-04-2015 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by bobnot (Post 7690884)
What a shame bye bye silly kippers and good riddance!! BNP lite are failing :joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ituencies.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...8510639818.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...8510654130.jpg


a poll from the daily mail who support the Conservatives?

:laugh2:

arista 09-04-2015 07:29 AM
Yes Strange that Bob
Loves the DM
all of a sudden

billy123 09-04-2015 07:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 7690886)
a poll from the daily mail who support the Conservatives?

:laugh2:
Quote:
Originally Posted by arista (Post 7690888)
Yes Strange that Bob
Loves the DM
all of a sudden
Such silliness tell me when i find a source saying the same thing that meets your approval because thats important isnt it :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/0...0MZ1QT20150408
http://rt.com/uk/247801-ukip-britain-first-pact/
http://www.cityam.com/213276/lord-as...ive-held-seats
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeeh...alling-behind/
http://news.google.com/news/url?sr=1...oft-poll-shows
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...oft-poll-shows
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...s-falling.html
http://www.theweek.co.uk/election-po...-lose-on-7-may
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...3-just-10.html

Crimson Dynamo 09-04-2015 07:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobnot (Post 7690894)
Bob, polls are polls

wait a few days for the next to arrive to suit your political taste

kirklancaster 09-04-2015 07:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arista (Post 7690888)
Yes Strange that Bob
Loves the DM
all of a sudden
:joker:

"The Truth Is Out There Mulder."

"Yeah, Scully - I know, but I only read the Daily Mail".

:joker:

kirklancaster 09-04-2015 07:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bobnot (Post 7690894)
They may all well be right Bob, we'll have to wait and see, but I think it's a great shame if they prove correct.

By the way - I love your emoticons for LT.:joker::joker::joker:

Crimson Dynamo 09-04-2015 07:41 AM
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/...e_3258283b.jpg



Mr Farage painted a positive picture of a ComRes poll published in the Mail on Sunday which suggested Mr Farage might not win the South Thanet seat on May 7.

He admitted that he was “aware” of the poll, which had been funded by a donor, but said that it “showed us five points ahead on the raw data – I would like it to be more than that clearly.

“The raw data had us ahead but not as far ahead as a previous poll that was conducted six to eight weeks before that.”


He described Ukip’s support as going in “peaks and troughs”, adding: “Share prices have peaks and troughs, we all have peaks and troughs.

“Over the last week we have seen consolidation and Ukip start to rise again. Can we generate the level of excitement to get us up to the kind of numbers that we hit last November.”

He added: “There is no election in history where we have not dipped after an election.

“Even going right back to much smaller numbers we have generally had run ups to polls and then dips and declines afterwards.”


Good article ^^ with Nigel and support - all info here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1151...en-months.html

billy123 09-04-2015 07:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 7690898)
They may all well be right Bob, we'll have to wait and see, but I think it's a great shame if they prove correct.

By the way - I love your emoticons for LT.:joker::joker::joker:
I think it is a great shame that it has once again become a two party race Kirk but i wont be sad to see the demise of UKIP they really aren't a viable other option for me and i wont be sad to see them vanish.
But horses for courses it would be boring if we all agreed.
As for the emoticon i dont even know what its called i just think of it as the trumpet/the truth emoticon :joker:


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