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Denver 22-05-2015 11:16 PM

Nadia women as well as Luke A both were not British plus most series has had a different ethnic housemate in the final

ruiphillips 22-05-2015 11:26 PM

Not at all. If it was explain how Makosi and Gina made it to the final instead of other white housemates? Stop reaching for the race card just because a insufferable housemates gets evicted.

Benjamin 22-05-2015 11:28 PM

I agree somewhat about there being a discrimination to black females in BB but the casting of most of the black females tends to stick to the stereotype which also doesn't help.

In this case I think Adjoa just got unlucky by BB making Nick nominate first face to face so a few jumped on the bandwagon to save themselves being put up and out. Adjoa was against two other housemates that haven't done too much wrong so she was a sure fire evictee because of the sex talk. Tbh I also don't think she was cut out for this season of BB, it's been somewhat tame and she was already falling apart.

Pete. 22-05-2015 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Amy Jade (Post 7797368)
Shilpa won.

But people STILL think she won on pity. No, she won because she was the best housemate of the series

reece(: 22-05-2015 11:30 PM

There is definitely underlying tones of potential racism as even HMs like Jo, Nicky, Ife and now Adjoa who did nothing wrong and weren't "sassy argumentors" have been aggressively booed.

Benjamin 22-05-2015 11:31 PM

Also the odds of a black female being evicted are increased when BB cast 1/2 black females out of 16 - 20 housemates. Gina has survived to the final as did Makosi, the rest tbh were not that great as housemates.

Going back to Mel in BB1 she was hated because she flirted with men in the house that had girlfriends, not because of her skin colour.

Northern Monkey 22-05-2015 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Petemitch (Post 7797338)
But look at the historical evidence :pipe2:

Some on that list were unlucky,Some like Toya i liked but the general public did'nt get her attitude and some were absolute bitches.Pauline is not a good example and Gina did exceptionally well for how much her attitude stank.Some were probably evicted for no good reason but then so have many white girls.If there is an 'ism' involved i'd say it's sexism and mainly by other females.

Fat.Rat 22-05-2015 11:35 PM

How do we even know for sure anymore that it isn't the producers deciding who stays and goes, they took the live feed away so it would suit them what they show us so iv never really trusted the channel 5 versions of the show x

Jason. 22-05-2015 11:35 PM

I personally think there is underlying racism with the public.

I think a perfect example of this is the crowd reaction Pav received last year.

An Asian housemate, who was quiet harmless and dull at worst getting booed and chanted every single week. It speaks volumes that he got a worse reception than Steven Goode.

He did nothing wrong to warrant a heavy negative reception every single week he was up. Even on the final.

Pete. 22-05-2015 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat.Rat (Post 7797438)
How do we even know for sure anymore that it isn't the producers deciding who stays and goes, they took the live feed away so it would suit them what they show us so iv never really trusted the channel 5 versions of the show x

Because it's against the law

Jason. 22-05-2015 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Benjamin (Post 7797429)
Also the odds of a black female being evicted are increased when BB cast 1/2 black females out of 16 - 20 housemates. Gina has survived to the final as did Makosi, the rest tbh were not that great as housemates.

Going back to Mel in BB1 she was hated because she flirted with men in the house that had girlfriends, not because of her skin colour.

Debatable.

Mel got a hard time back then. She flirted with all the males, yet Claire (a white female) hooked up with Thomas, who had a girlfriend outside the house. And she didn't get as much of a hard time as Mel (a black woman) did for flirting with a couple of single guys.

Black women have always gotten a hard time on BBUK.

James 22-05-2015 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BB6 (Post 7797451)
Debatable.

Mel got a hard time back then. She flirted with all the males, yet Claire (a white female) hooked up with Thomas, who had a girlfriend outside the house. And she didn't get as much of a hard time as Mel (a black woman) did for flirting with a couple of single guys.

Black women have always gotten a hard time on BBUK.

That happened after the series finished, if I remember correctly.

Ninastar 22-05-2015 11:43 PM

No. People these days are so determined to say that X is so Xist!!! when half of the time, it's the people who are preaching that X is Xish that are the ones who are Xist.

You're the one making it about skin colour, not the public.

ruiphillips 22-05-2015 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BB6 (Post 7797439)
I personally think there is underlying racism with the public.

Oh really? Explain Pauline's well received launch night reaction last year. After, the general public saw what a vile person she was and booed her. Not because she was black. Because she exhibited nasty behaviour.

Fat.Rat 22-05-2015 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ruiphillips (Post 7797463)
Oh really? Explain Pauline's well received launch night reaction last year. The general public saw what a vile person she was and booed her. Not because she was black. Because she exhibited nasty behaviour.

So true! If it was race then she would have been booed going in x

Denver 22-05-2015 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaos (Post 7797461)
No. People these days are so determined to say that X is so Xist!!! when half of the time, it's the people who are preaching that X is Xish that are the ones who are Xist.

You're the one making it about skin colour, not the public.

:clap:

Jason. 22-05-2015 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by James (Post 7797458)
That happened after the series finished, if I remember correctly.

My bad. She flirted with Craig during her time in the house.
Yet, she wasn't as hated as Melanie was.

Benjamin 22-05-2015 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BB6 (Post 7797451)
Debatable.

Mel got a hard time back then. She flirted with all the males, yet Claire (a white female) hooked up with Thomas, who had a girlfriend outside the house. And she didn't get as much of a hard time as Mel (a black woman) did for flirting with a couple of single guys.

Black women have always gotten a hard time on BBUK.

Claire was kicked out instantly though after 1 week by the public (and it was Craig I'm sure). Mel did it over the whole season so the hate built up.

Lampfan 22-05-2015 11:49 PM

Since most of the voters are female, I guess you have to ask yourselves :D

Seriously though, who gives a flying ****?.... If we get a good series winner, who cares?

Denise Welch was a mess and she won, so where's the woman hate?

Jason. 22-05-2015 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruiphillips (Post 7797463)
Oh really? Explain Pauline's well received launch night reaction last year. After, the general public saw what a vile person she was and booed her. Not because she was black. Because she exhibited nasty behaviour.

Explain why Pauline was adored on launch night.
Yet, the bookies didn't even bother placing her favourite to win, and instead placed Winston (a white man) as a favourite instead?

Marsh. 22-05-2015 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Petemitch (Post 7797303)
Oh god Harriet would be loathed if she was black

There's a lot of hate for her since her negative attributes became apparent in the last couple of shows.

bots 22-05-2015 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BB6 (Post 7797486)
Explain why Pauline was adored on launch night.
Yet, the bookies didn't even bother placing her favourite to win, and instead placed Winston (a white man) as a favourite instead?

The bookies got Winston wrong all the way from the start up to the point he was evicted. I think you are clutching at straws.

Bookies only think in terms of money, nothing else enters into their equations.
It actually makes me very angry when people falsely try and attribute discrimination.

Lampfan 22-05-2015 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BB6 (Post 7797486)
Explain why Pauline was adored on launch night.
Yet, the bookies didn't even bother placing her favourite to win, and instead placed Winston (a white man) as a favourite instead?

Because he was basically a clone off TOWIE?

Who won last year?... Who were the final 2?

Stop looking to be offended. You are stupid.

Jason. 23-05-2015 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Lampfan (Post 7797508)
Because he was basically a clone off TOWIE?

Who won last year?... Who were the final 2?

Stop looking to be offended. You are stupid.

You completely misconstrued my point. So I'm not going to bother arguing with you.

BIB - Lol, k then.

LukeB 23-05-2015 12:48 AM

Maybe adjoa didn't deserve that reaction but I 100% believe it was nothing down to racism. I don't think BBViewers are racist people. well not all of them but the crowd boo anyone, I think it's put on for Panto.

Raph 23-05-2015 12:53 AM

Pete I legit agree with everything you've said but I also think it applies to asian women. I'm gonna give a long thorough answer to this tomorrow cause it's a great discussion point.

Lampfan 23-05-2015 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BB6 (Post 7797599)
You completely misconstrued my point. So I'm not going to bother arguing with you.

BIB - Lol, k then.

I apologise.

Not looking to be awkward, so please put your point across..

LemonJam 23-05-2015 01:19 AM

yeah its definitely something I picked up on and was a big factor in making me stop watching BBUK tbh.

BB11 is a prime example of this. Every week when a black woman was up for eviction they went home despite them being up against much, much worse personalities.

Lampfan 23-05-2015 01:29 AM

I'm not sure that was the public more than the producers choosing a certain "persona".

I've watched BB for over 10 years and the only black people I wanted to win were Victor and Adam. And they are 2 of my favorites It's nothing to do with the voters, it's the ****ing selecting panel.

GLENN BILL BB7 23-05-2015 02:02 AM

What about BB8 Charley as well? and BB9 Alexandra and Silvia? They were Hated but to be fair they were aggressive housemates, Its True Black Female Housemates never do very well in the show.

GLENN BILL BB7 23-05-2015 02:02 AM

What about BB8 Charley as well? and BB9 Alexandra and Silvia? They were Hated but to be fair they were aggressive housemates, Its True! Black Female Housemates never do very well in the show.

Mystic Mock 23-05-2015 02:02 AM

Tbh it is like the young pretty white girl hate on talent shows all over again where people just keep denying the truth even though the evidence keeps building up on BB's prejudice of black girls, well black contestants full stop.

LukeB 23-05-2015 02:10 AM

but there is so many evidence that it's not racism too

Lampfan 23-05-2015 02:19 AM

Swallow!... I love Bush!

Mystic Mock 23-05-2015 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 7797709)
but there is so many evidence that it's not racism too

I'll try and do a count of how things have ended up for the black contestants.

Positives:
Victor survived an eviction vote
Gina survived eviction votes and came 3rd
Science survived 3 eviction votes
Adam came 2nd and survived a couple of eviction votes
Anton scraped past Aden in BB12
Makosi survived an eviction vote and finished 3rd


Negatives:
Mel being hated for flirting with the guys, yet BB6 and BB7 had winners that was very guilty for the same thing
Adele being the first ever BBUK Housemate to be booed
Victor losing to Jason who was vile throughout his whole stay, but Victor loses his cool once and he catches up a 150,000 vote lead and goes
Makosi and Vanessa being in the bottom two during BB6
Science losing to Orlaith
Charley Uchea being hated for being argumentative, yet John James and Helen Wood was championed for the same stuff years later
Sylvia was a bit bitchy, yet gets evicted against Mohammed with 91%
Sophia's harsh reception from the public because she hated the sour faced Saffia
Rachel being voted out for being bullied by John James
Anton losing to Jem and Jay who were repulsive
Shievonne losing to Conor who threatened to rape someone, and physically slapped another Housemate in the face, and intimidated him
Pauline out the door for similar behaviour that people like Carole from BB8 was endorsed for
Toya evicted in an 8-way eviction
Adjoa loses to Eileen who's been offensive the past few days, and hard faced Sarah, and peoples excuses was because she said pussy a lot? Well I hope that Danny gets struck out as soon as he goes up then
Kieran's already increasing his hate because of his “voice”

You see what you think of that.

LukeB 23-05-2015 02:26 AM

I'm 100% against racism but I don't like race card being played when there's a reason why that person got evicted. Either they acted like dicks aka Pauline/Sophia or fans voting to keep their favourite which is a reason why Adjoa went as well as talking about pussy and moaning all the time. the 1st female/housemate who got chanted get someone out is a white female and the person with the highest % to evict was a white female.

Mystic Mock 23-05-2015 02:30 AM

Nicole was special.:laugh:

LukeB 23-05-2015 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock (Post 7797723)
I'll try and do a count of how things have ended up for the black contestants.

Positives:
Victor survived an eviction vote
Gina survived eviction votes and came 3rd
Science survived 3 eviction votes
Adam came 2nd and survived a couple of eviction votes
Anton scraped past Aden in BB12
Makosi survived an eviction vote and finished 3rd


Negatives:
Mel being hated for flirting with the guys, yet BB6 and BB7 had winners that was very guilty for the same thing can't comment on that because idk
Adele being the first ever BBUK Housemate to be booed
Victor losing to Jason who was vile throughout his whole stay, but Victor loses his cool once and he catches up a 150,000 vote lead and goes Victor was a twat most of BB6
Makosi and Vanessa being in the bottom two during BB6 Makosi was no angel, she pissed off the public.. Vanessa was bitchy too
Science losing to Orlaith Science was a dick
Charley Uchea being hated for being argumentative, yet John James and Helen Wood was championed for the same stuff years later Helen would have been evicted week 1 if it was not for that final pass, Ashleigh vs helen what made her win
Sylvia was a bit bitchy, yet gets evicted against Mohammed with 91% Sylvia going against Mo is not racist
Sophia's harsh reception from the public because she hated the sour faced Saffia Sophie came across bad
Rachel being voted out for being bullied by John James john james fans probs voted her out (jealously)
Anton losing to Jem and Jay who were repulsive Anton was a cocky twat
Shievonne losing to Conor who threatened to rape someone, and physically slapped another Housemate in the face, and intimidated him Shievonne annoyed people
Pauline out the door for similar behaviour that people like Carole from BB8 was endorsed for Carole wasn;t a bully
Toya evicted in an 8-way eviction toya came across bad
Adjoa loses to Eileen who's been offensive the past few days, and hard faced Sarah, and peoples excuses was because she said pussy a lot? Well I hope that Danny gets struck out as soon as he goes up then pussy/moan/fandom
Kieran's already increasing his hate because of his “voice” People hate the birmingham accent


You see what you think of that.

a lot of reasons why they got evicted

LukeB 23-05-2015 02:42 AM

Pauline got voted power housemate/Sophia was loved on Day 1 and people picked up the phone to make her a housemate

but both acted like dicks where Pauline bullied Jale and Sophia came across bad.

Adam never got evicted on BB13 and Deana survived too
Brian Belo won over 2 blonde females
Nadia Won
Shipa and Jermaine top 2 on CBB

854 23-05-2015 03:56 AM

It's sad but bbusa is way more racist at the end of the day. IMO.


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