Are you actually having a ****ing laugh? That's possibly the most ridiculous thing I've heard all night.

Sorry Mock but that's ludicrous

No the most ridiculous comments tonight are the people that want rigid BB's.

He wasn't in any position to let anyone down lmao it's hardly his fault if the other mess can't control himself.

People are ridiculous for wanting BB to punish people who sexually assault people? Okay then

How?

I normally like Joel, but that was appalling tonight from him.

Who remembers the Ch4 days when we had Michelle Bass, Craig Coates, Lea BB7, Richard BB7, Mario BB11, they would all be thrown out in these BB's because they dared to not discuss showmances or how they're growing as people like it's an episode of EastEnders.

And when people call that sexual assault is probably the reason why Ch5 have turned BB into EastEnders.

No.

Although I do see why they did, Joel played along and egged him on in my opinion and then changed tac in the diary room. I'm aware he looked uncomfortable and asked Aaron to stop but he then threw pillows and stuff play fighting.

Mock sorry, but you're wrong, you need to learn the difference between casual nakedness and sexual harassment/assault, those people didn't do anything near what Aaron did.

See I feel the total opposite :laugh:

He has laughed off Aarons behaviour in the past which tbh tells me he IS quite secure about being straight. There is a point, where it crosses the line, and tonight Aaron did. I don't find it fair at all to blame Joel :S

Yes. Joel asked him to stop and tried to get away from him. Even when he went into the bathroom Aaron jumped into his bed.

Trust me I'm not wrong.

Aaron's behaviour wasn't much different to Dappy, Luisa, or Perez in their sexual outbursts.

Totally justified, if a guy had done that to a girl he'd have been out on the spot.

Mock, you need to understand that people are comfortable with different levels of hyper sexuality. You might personally be fine with a friend thrusting a naked body towards you but surely you can understand that many people will not feel the same.
Joel didn't let himself down and if you or anybody else were ever put in a situation where a person oversteps a line, then that person deserves some sort of punishment.
For instance, flashing a stripper in a strip club would probably only get you kicked out the bar, doing the same thing to a nun in a church would give you jail time.
It is not about the act, it is about the perception. And not the perception of the onlookers, the perception of the victim.
Aaron was rightly removed from the house in this instance.

Well I can't argue for other people, but I defended Jeremy in the last CBB when he touched Chloe's robe, and the last time I checked Chloe was a girl, a very ****able one while at it.:evilgrin:

Oops! BB have just stopped me from being one of the 4 Housemates coming in tomorrow night due to my posts about another female.

Youre embarrassing yourself luv.

I get what you're saying, but that's why I would've given Aaron a warning, maybe even a first and final warning if BB felt that it was really bad.

Joel made it evidentially clear that he was uncomfortable with Aaron's hyper sexuality before, during and after the incedent. To me this justifies the ejection, I think many people would consider a first and final warning as too lenient

No you're wrong, end of story really, your opinion on this matter is vile and actually rather worrying.

...I don't think that's helping much...

Why is it worrying? Because I'm not some prude that takes a drunken guys antics so seriously when he thought that him and Joel was having a laugh together?

Mock, stop playing up to this character that you think people like. Nobody is laughing, nobody is entertained.

No that you think a man rubbing his naked body up against someone who was clearly uncomfortable after he had been told multiple times to stop, that's what is worrying.. And the fact that you backed up your opinion by stating that you supported Jeremy in the whole debacle of CBB15 as well, that's what is worrying, it's not clever and it's not smart to victim blame, it's horrid and pathetic.

The end part of that paragraph was to lead into my sarcastic part of that post.

Okay Dezzy.:joker:

If you can't handle different opinions like a grown-up then I'll come back on later as I'm hugary anyway and can't be bothered to keep arguing over a scripted event on a scripted Reality Show.

We're all just falling for what Ch5 wants here by discussing it.

Wow at the nastiness towards Mock just for not pandering to common opinion.

It's not a matter of opinion, it was pretty much a sexual assault. If you can't see what's wrong with what Aaron did tonight then every adult in your life has failed you.

My opinion is that it wasn't a sexual assault. I am entitled to hold that opinion too.

If it was a sexual assault then the police would be involved. Joel admitted today that he wanted aaron to come back and feels responsible for him leaving.

That's a really rude nasty thing to say dezzy, I happen to agree that Aaron should still be in there and a warning would suffice. My parents didn't fail me I rationalised the situation.

And I'm entitled to think that your opinion is rubbish.

Aaron flashed him multiple times, he invaded Joel's personal space, he got into bed with him naked all while Joel was making it abundantly clear that he didn't want any of it. Sounds like a sexual assault to me.

And I am entitled to think your opinion is rubbish. And what's more, I can do it without claiming the adults in your life have failed you. I can get my opinion over without hurling insults.

So if it is a sexual assault then why aren't the police involved? Why has joel said he feels responsible for aaron leaving and wants him back?

Which resulted in Joel and everyone else laughing.


Sounds like a drunken idiot who has been playfully flirting with Joel for 2 and half weeks getting a bit carried away. It was right to call him to the diary room and to tell him to stop and it was right for Aaron to apologize. It didn't need to go any further than that. To refer to it as a "sexual assault" is to be so lacking in perspective I find it amusing.

Yeah, it's a shame because it was just drunken messing around that went too far, but if a man had done that to a woman, the same would and should have happened. Hopefully it teaches Aaron a valuable lesson about boundaries.
People saying Joel did nothing to discourage it need to remember that he had the rest of the house, including the people he's close to, laughing and encouraging Aaron and sometimes in a situation like that, the easiest thing to do is try and laugh with it.

People wouldn't be so quick to defend Aaron if Joel was a girl. I'm guessing the truth of the matter is that people think that Joel's gay and that somehow makes what Aaron did okay. Joel was nervously laughing because he was wildly uncomfortable, laughter is not consent, especially when Joel made it clear that he wanted Aaron to stop.

I think that Big Brother should have given a warning, but that they should have given him a warning last week. I defo think Aaron deserved to go. His whole attitude towards Joel for days has been very provocative. Joel has clearly been uncomfortable with it all along. It definitely stepped over the line. Is it only me that was appalled at the housemates going on and on egging Joel to kiss Aaron, even though Joel made it clear he was uncomfortable with it? Maybe that would have been a good point for BB to throw in a warning.

Joel isn't a woman. and men and women are different.

Yes, we understand he was uncomfortable. But it was over with the moment BB intervened and that should have been that apart from maybe a warning.

Yes, but Joel isn't a girl, so so what?


Has anyone said that?

There were times when he was genuinely amused. Nobody disagrees that Aaron was going over the top, but to kick him out for it was ridiculous.

oh my god what is happening here

Joel never made it clear that he wanted him to stop. He laughed along, threw pillows at aaron and chased after aaron pretending to kick him. If I was being "sexually assaulted" then I would be running away from the assailant, not towards him.

The reason aaron carried on was because joel didn't give him any real indication that he was unhappy with it.

Guess again, you can project any hypothetical scenario you like, I'm reacting to the situation as it is and as I saw it.