That's alright, you can have your opinion and I'll have mine

Well it's a bit ignorant tbh

If you want to think that then go ahead, that's your prerogative, I'm not going to change your mind :laugh:

I somewhat agree with you there, I think people that respect women would find Marc's comments appalling

harry the cruel man user and man hater....she disrespects everyones wishes, the way she was speaking to nick in the kitchen was horrific, rude, nasty , aggressive ignorant...and all he was doing was taking the time out to help her like a good friend...when all shes done is use him for air time...simple as that...totally ruthless player.. such as putting clothes on when doing the food in the kitchen........shes also made a threat by asking someone to take her bottle away...shes extremely threatening aggressive and angry with no humour whatsoever....there will be more of the same....she ended tonight with he should be afraid of me..shes dishonest shes ruthless shes aggressive shes angry..shes evil....all marc has to do is be happy marc don't let her get a chance to play victim or falsely accuse him of anything stupid,give her enough rope and she will hang herself and expose the horror of a human she clearly is

Being a fan of marc is not a sign "not respecting women" imo if they think he is a role model which no one does(well i haven't seen anyone say that) yes maybe. But you can't accuse people of it when you don't know them at all. It's like walking around the town centre accusing some girl you don't even know for being a slut or accusing sugatits of being a bully.Just because Marc may dislike women(which seems unlikely if he is having sex with one) doesn't mean his fans do.His fanbase is mostly females anyway

some women some men deserve respect not all though...to say you respect ALL women is absurd, its sexist too....why don't you say you respect all men too? theres millions of evil men and women, murderers, thieves, liars, rapists etc of both genders, so how can you say you respect ALL women? crazy politically correct talk just to make yourself sound good, well it doesn't PC and spin are dead, people just want the truth these days.

.harry is a pretty nasty person and whilst I would never ever behave like marc, with him he takes the mickey with everyone and in the end he doesn't mean harm he just takes a joke too far.

Thank you, that's what I was getting at :clap1:

Be a fan of his all you want idc, but agreeing, laughing at or finding the things he says and about women 'entertaining' is a completely different story imo.

But ALL women are different, why would you respect ALL women? when some are awful?
that's like saying respect ALL men? does that include hitler?
ridiculous genralizations are meaningless....no one can respect ALL women or ALL men

is this a joke :joker::joker::joker::joker::joker:

he takes the mickey out of the men too? they laugh it off? why cant some of the women laugh it off too? wheres their sense of humour of perspective, yes he can be an eejiot but so what its just a bit of nonsense banter..some pretend to take offence for air time clearly....hes insulted joel all week, joel gives it to him double barrel but they still get along, same with sam (a woman) same with danny and Christian who marc has had several major gos at and jack...........marc for all his faults defended simon when simon was being isolated by everyone so he does back the underdog too

I'll let you take that one, I cba :joker:

Some of the comments Marc has made I don't agree with (the STI thing being one example), but I think he's a good housemate. A person maybe not so much, but as a housemate yes, and there are differences. And the idea that anyone who's a fan of Marc doesn't and cannot respect women doesn't sit well with me considering I'm one of the people who defends women and argues against sexism the most on here, not just regarding each Big Brother series but in off-season debate threads too, and anyone that can't see that is pretty deluded so

I look forward to the day in 2027 when you actually see the sexism against men, inside the house and out

:clap1: preach

I do and you've made this point to me before and I've said exactly the same thing, if there are double standards (I wouldn't call it sexism but that's a separate debate so please don't start it) against men I will call them out

In fact, go read my posts in the Love Island discussion threads from the first and second nights and you'll see what I mean

That's why I elaborated somewhere up there ^^

While I don't understand why anyone would be a fan of him, that's not the problem, the way I see It is, I can't see how anyone can proclaim to have respect for women, yet appreciate, laugh at, or support the things he says about/to women at the same time :shrug:

You keep emphasizing on the word "all" but I didn't even mention ALL women so idk what you're going on about tbh

I can't take you serious when you support Evil Dick who attacked a female but that's a different story.

Lmao 'attacked' okay, that's a completely irrelevant situation to this, but nice try though.

Yeah you praised evil dick for bullying jen.

I love pouring ice tea over a females head because i don't like them :rolleyes:

I don't support all of the things he says, the STI thing was out of order, as was his fantasy of penetrating Sam and making her cry, but with Marc I mainly support the fact that he's pissing people off, causing an atmosphere and making enemies than the things he's actually saying. It's not the comments I support, but the impact he's having is what makes him a good housemate IMO. And I totally don't buy into the argument that he is a bully, that to me is ludicrous

Actually that's a very good point. Now I liked Dick (lul) but the Jen incident and his general treatment of the houseguests was and is far worse than anything Marc has ever done or said, so...I'm pretty sure this whole lack of respect for women argument could be applied here also

The "Marc fans can't respect women" comments are inappropriate tbh. Can't people share different opinions without personal insults towards other forum members anymore?

I like Marc and I certainly respect women (and men, who are no less deserving of respect). I like him because I see him as a wind-up merchant, not some woman-hating bully (which is especially confusing since males have been at the brunt of his behaviour just as much).

:clap1: some more great post here my friend
Agree with everything you said.

Luke literally can't have a single debate with me without throwing my like of Evil Dick at me, even when it's completely irrelevant, it's honestly hysterical :joker:
This is where I stop because its getting boring now, I've stated my opinion, I've defended it thoroughly, so now I'm done.

Not really, You moan and cry "marc fans don't respect women" when you support someone who is worse than Marc. So i can't really take what you say serious tbh.

I'm a marc fan and I respect both females and males

Jesus Christ, do you not read things before you form an opinion?

I've said multiple times that it's not Marc fans that make me have that opinion, you can be a Marc fan idfc, be a Marc fan, but it's when the things he says get defended blindly for being 'entertaining' or 'funny' especially the incredibly derogatory things he says, mainly against women, that is what I'm forming my opinion on, not whether someone is a Marc fan, because as Jack has proved, some Marc fans can be a fan, without supporting every vile thing he says.

That is what i have clarified once or twice already, do you understand now? Lord have mercy.

That was never specifically said, but I'll speak from where I come from on that.

I've seen people on here claim it's just banter over and over again and that deep down he's this nice person but he's crossed the line far too many times and been asked to stop by housemates and BB and he's pretty much refused. His comments have offended and hurt Chloe, Jade and Harry and reduuced them to tears so for me people who find his comments funny towards women and find his constant crude words entertaining maybe don't appreciate that the women around him should not have to put up with it.

Therfore I genuinely wonder how much respect for women some people may have if they find him calling somebody a cum bucket or a ugly pig prostitute honestly amusing because personally if I saw a man call a woman those things I would be disgusted.

I do read things actually and you don't need to be so condescending it's quite rude. You didn;t say that before, you just agreed with Jack tbh so :hee:

I disagree with the last part of your post, he hasn't treated the men in there in the same way he has treated the women. I think Sam somewhat encourages the comments he makes toward her so I'm not too fussed about that but the things he said to Chloe were out of order and just nasty, therefore I don't get why people support him. Obviously you can all like who you want to like but it's slightly disappointing, that's all. I also don't think the posts about lack of respect for women from Marc fans were insulting as such.

I said it twice before, once when I quoted Dollface and once when I quoted Jack, so you obviously don't read things very well, you just skip to the bits you want to see, I wasn't being condescending, I just don't like people trying to twist my words.

I totally disagree with the latter part of your comment. Sorry to split your commrnt in half but I sort of have a lot to say haha.

For me he has specifically targetted the women with lewd comments, yeah he has wound up thr guys but I haven't heard him be generally repulsive like he has to all the female housemates.

He's made personal comments to Chloe (calling her fat and saying she has STIs) Sam (baggy fanny) and now Harry (ugly, pig, prostitute, smelly...I could go on) wheras I can't think of one moment he's made fun of how a male housemate looks.

In my eyes he sees women as weaker so he picks at them.

Sure Jan.

I still can't take you serious tbh

You can 'sure Jan' me all you like, but the fact is, you're wrong, because I stated very clearly what I meant and it's not my fault if you can't be bothered to actually realise that :laugh:

Don't take me seriously, I honestly couldn't care less, idk why you think saying that is going to bother me lol

I don't think that :umm2: jeez louise

Liam for what it's worth I think you make perfect sense and great points ♡

Thank you! :flutter:

I take the time to explain myself and defend my opinions, so it annoys me when people make out like I haven't to try and win points in some sort of vendetta.

it's not a game tbh, I'm not trying to win points. it's just a bloody forum.

if only women like harry would show men more respect for men instead of using them for material gain and air time