yes jet exactly i hadnt even read your post

Blimey,heaven will be running out of those halos and harps pretty soon:angel: :laugh:

I'm sick of reading comments about poor Brian this and poor Brian that.
If you listen carefully, Kazanne, you'll hear the sound of violins in the distance. :joker:

Yes,you'de think Helen was arguing with herself:joker::joker: Pass me my bow:hehe:

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I do hope Brian is ok though.

if anyone feels brian is a bad person - then you have not watched BB or no how to read people.

it is a shame helon was allowed to wind him up like this and it is a shame brian reacted like he did.

fact something had to be done and a line was crossed.

this will all keep the debate running and will onlt gain more support for brian and put helen in the public eye more and more which she is loving.

the thing to do now is to keep loving brian and forget about this melon and move on and if anyone employs her - well it says more about them then anything.

shes the subhuman spawn of satan, big brother are a disgrace for not ejecting her the moment those disgusting slanderous illegal words left her disgusting lips..if they hadn't let that trash in, the show would have been 100001 times better, wed have had infinitely more fun humour romance ...but this evil witch killed the show...she is gone now ...I don't ever want to see or hear her evil anywhere ever again, the second she comes on tv change the channel....the best way to deal with satan is total indifference, she should be ignored and shunned by all humanity and no doubt her evil will one day see her either imprisoned or locked away in an institution for everyones protection

ps nikki was fantastic

Well from this I gather that you've missed the point of the thread completely. I wasn't talking about the comments Helen made (it says in the title), I was talking about her conduct in the scene where she went at Brian as he sat in silence and didn't retaliate. Her comments pale in comparison to that and that's the issue I'm raising, why are people concentrating on her comments when that wasn't even the main thing she did wrong?

I'm not denying Brian, Nikki or Aisleyne never said anything wrong to her, they all did, and Brian gave as good as he got in every other scene apart from this one instance, which is fine. But when he wasn't saying anything and she was goading him and getting enjoyment out of it, she was being a bully. It doesn't matter whether someone shouts at you before or after, if you're in a situation with someone in which they aren't retaliating and you carry on, you are being a bully.

And I can take that on board,but I still don't think it warrants the abuse she got it goes way too far at times,it's like she's killed someone,it's way over the top,but she's gone now time to move on I guess.

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i watch brian first time around..i had a positive feeling about him but he wasn't my favorite...

i watched him the last 2 weeks..he was bitchy, aggressive, nasty and seemed to have a problem determining what reality was..jumping all over macr for nominating jade when it was actually his good friend nicki...

the man was prick....and anyone who explains it away by blaming it all on helen isn't someone i would trust to "read people"

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BEST QUOTE EVER!!!




…and completely true.

Bullying is a problem in our society. Why ignore it?

:clap1: I think some people on here are very quick to forget the appalling behaviour of the other legends over the last few weeks. Brian having to be held back by other housemates, standing over Helen and shouting pointing in her face. Not to mention Aisleyne and Nikki giggling in the Diary Room while Helen herself was in tears in the living area are a few examples that spring to mind. All of them acted in unacceptable ways, but I don't see anyone calling Brian, Nikki or Aisleyne bullies.

I really don't think Brian was 'about to cry', afterwards he got upset but at the time he looked like he wanted to beat the sheet out of Helen, not that I can blame him but he certainly didn't react like a victim. He's got a dark, uncontrollable anger in him that'll come out at some point. He's a nice guy, but it's there. God help whoever triggers it, he was pretty scary to look at during.

Can we stop with the Brian would have punched her crap please.

Literally the only reason that has come to light is because satan implied it.

Nothing to do with that Helen said, it's the first thing I thought before she even commented on his face, he looked like he was about to fight someone.

Helen was being attacked by an aggressive 6" 4" man,she had every right to attack him back

Yes she did, and in every instance where they were both arguing everything was fine and above board. But if someone isn't retaliating and you continue to goad them and shout at them - as she did in the scene I have described - whether it's in real life or in the Big Brother house, you are being a bully.

Like when Belo called her pond scum ?

That comment may not have been a nice comment, but Helen's comment was worse even and way out of order.

He called her pond scum after the scene I described in the OP. After. AFTER.

There were separate scenes to this argument, why do I keep having to explain this? The ones where they were both shouting at each other, fine, and yes Brian said things he shouldn't have, but that does not excuse the scene where he sat on the sofa saying nothing and she continued to go at him, which is bullying.

What came before or after that is irrelevant, we are talking about this one particular scene.

It's hilarious s that people will defend her so blindly.

One word to say to you ........................................






WRONG

they know Helen was in the wrong but too afraid to admit it :hee:

Two threads now where you've not posted any evidence as to why you think I'm wrong.

Therefore, by the terms of a rational debate, you are wrong and I am right.

No lies spotted

I go with Jack_ insofar as the whole scene without the wording was uncomfortable and once Helen saw she had him,(she did say he was playing right into her hands),for whatever had gone on with the pair of them in the house that was never shown,she really went for it.

She is, I have said it many times, in arguments both formidable and relentless.
She will not stop and if she has come to the point where she does not even like the person she is arguing with,then she really goes for it.

I said the whole scene, how it played out and the wording she used were unacceptable, wrong and deserved condemnation and the warning she did get.

I would have told her that to her face too had I been a housemate in there.

He may well have been wrong to break confidences in the house she had talked to him about,he was wrong to blame her for Jade going, Nikki shouted for Jade to be nominated too, however Brian was sucking up to Nikki on issues while blaming Helen for everything.
That argument came about and to the head it did, for lots of reasons between Helen and Brian, some reasons seen and others not shown us by BB too.

That is a fact, not an excuse for her actions in that argument because there are no excuses and as Jack_ says, it was totally wrong and he is completely in my view right.

In some ways, they both got what they likely wanted from that really uncomfortable thing to watch.
Helen got Brian to the point where he realised he would likely never get one over on her and she was able to bring him down.
Things like that are never nice or good to see against anyone.

However,from it, Brian too got what maybe he was wanting in a way too, he managed to let her show how overpowering and overbearing she could be, he also then was given his opportunity to leave with his head ,in his thinking, held higher than had he walked out from the diary room.
He really had wanted to go since Jade went out,this helped give him the chance to do so and lay all the blame on someone else.

So in that sense, she also played into his hands too.

She never said he was a rapist/murderer,she said when angry he looked like one.
I still would not and could not defend even that terminology but he really should have walked away,gone and talked to others he said he was comfortable with and left her fuming and going on and on.

Hindsight however is a wonderful thing,as I say I go with Jack_ almost all the way but part of me, while 100% condemning Helen for the wording and goading, do feel he also in part used this to give more credibility to his absconding from the house too.

He had been difficult in the bunker and house most of his time there, except while in connection with Jade after the 2nd day in the house, he was at odds with Nikki in the bunker, with Helen in the house and then with Marc too and then back to Helen again after Jade went.

Helen was much the same as she was in her series last year, both Brian and Nikki knew that and both would have been wiser to either ignore her other than for BB tasks and missions,rather than really engage with her.
Likewise she should have done the same with them to avoid as much conflict as was possible to do so.

It is not at all as if all 3 of these people.,ad no idea what all of them were really like before they returned to the BB experience.
Anyway the long and short of what I am saying here is that I do think Jack_ has made valid observations and points as to this unfortunate event in this series of BB.

Evidence as why your opinion is wrong? do you have evidence it is right? various people have expressed different opinions..and backed them up..including myself..just because you don't agree with them does not make you right...

I don't think you have an idea what rational is..or a debate either

Agreed.

I totally agree, I think it's been awful watching her bully and manipulate people. Very glad she has gone but it must have ruined the original HMs experience.

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