Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8125343)

Ah Kirk... new intelligence. We can only take refugees from countries we have bombed, no matter the reasons for the bombing. That should save us quite a bit, then.

Originally Posted by arista (Post 8147219)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...2412185475.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/...44_964x406.jpg

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8147233)

maybe they should show that level of interest in fixing their own countries that they are "fleeing" from?

Originally Posted by arista (Post 8147266)

Many are running from Isis
thats a point of no return
as No nation can take them on in full.


This 1985 Agreement needs updating

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8147365)

they need to be herded off to saudi arabia

plenty space, they have the money


we dont want them

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8147365)

they need to be herded off to saudi arabia

plenty space, they have the money


we dont want them

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8147365)

they need to be herded off to saudi arabia

plenty space, they have the money


we dont want them

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8147649)

Is that a collective 'we' ?

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 8151146)

Remember the fuss made about Calais in the summer? Hungary and Croatia are facing circumstances ten times more challenging right now

Originally Posted by arista (Post 8156054)

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8156222)

This is why the PM is doing the right thing in going straight to the camps.Who knows wtf has landed in Europe,Terrorists,Eco migrants....

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8156222)

This is why the PM is doing the right thing in going straight to the camps.Who knows wtf has landed in Europe,Terrorists,Eco migrants....

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8115012)

'The image of a Syrian child face down in the sand after his tiny body was washed ashore has sparked international outcry over the failure to find a solution to the migrant crisis.
This is what we know so far about the young boy, who was found washed up on Bodrum beach in Turkey.
The toddler has been named by Turkish media as three-year-old Aylan Kurdi.
Aylan is reportedly from the town of Kobani in Syria, which has seen heavy fighting between IS militants and Kurdish forces.
According to Canadian media, the family were trying to reach Canada, where an aunt has lived for 20 years
The National Post reports that the family had previously tried and failed to obtain a privately-sponsored refugee visa in June.
The hashtag "KiyiyaVuranInsanlik" - "humanity washed ashore" became the top trending topic on Twitter after an image of Aylan, who was found washed up on a beach near Bodrum, Turkey, was shared online.
The picture has sparked international outcry over the failure to find a solution to the migrant crisis.
Aylan is believed to have died alongside his five-year-old brother Galip, who had been travelling in the same boat.
The boys are believed to be two of 11 Syrian refugees who died after trying to cross the Mediterranean on two boats bound for the Greek island of Kos.
The two boats, carrying a total of 23 people, had set off separately from the Akyarlar area of the Bodrum peninsula.'

http://www.itv.com/news/2015-09-02/w...ach-in-turkey/

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8162747)

Typical media story designed to pull at the heart strings of gullible readers . There are far more important things at stake here than the unfortunate drowning of a child.

The Schengen Agreement is an affront to our sovereignty and should be abolished without delay. The EU experiment has been a disaster for the the UK and we need to leave it immediately.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 8163090)

The problem from a UK perspective is people using their Schengen travel capability to wander through europe, arrive in France and then sneak in to the UK. The UK can't control that easily.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8163099)

Right so we're not only bothered about monitoring and tracking those in and from the UK but the rest of the world too?

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8163099)

Right so we're not only bothered about monitoring and tracking those in and from the UK but the rest of the world too?

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8163099)

Right so we're not only bothered about monitoring and tracking those in and from the UK but the rest of the world too?

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8163110)

But where did BitOnTheSlide say that Kizzy? He was merely and rightfully pointing out the problem to the UK that the Schengen Agreement causes.

I personally feel that we have a duty of common sense to 'monitor the rest of the world'.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 8163137)

Just to clarify the process and the context. Someone outside of europe can apply for a Schengen visa, at any country that is within that system. Once that visa is granted, the person can then choose to travel to any other country in europe within the Schengen system. The current list of countries in the Schengen agreement is:

- Austria
- Belgium
- Czech Republic
- Denmark
- Estonia
- Finland
- France
- Germany
- Greece
- Hungary
- Iceland (not a European Union Member State)
- Italy
- Latvia
- Liechtenstein (not a European Union Member State)
- Lithuania
- Luxembourg
- Malta
- Netherlands
- Norway (not a European Union Member State)
- Poland
- Portugal
- Slovakia
- Slovenia
- Spain
- Sweden
- Swiss (not a European Union Member State)


Typically, people trying to get a visa apply to the one with the minimum restrictions, that was Finland I think, not sure if that is still the case. The UK is not part of the Schengen system, so while someone may have a visa to travel to France through Schengen, that does not grant them access to the UK, which is why problems arise.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8163009)

But Britain and Northern Ireland never joined the Schengen agreement. We were one of the countries that opted out.

The countries who did join can opt out at any time, they don't need to leave the EU to do that. Germany and Austria have done just that since a record number of migrants have travelled there. France has re-imposed its border controls from time to time and so have the Dutch.

For the Brits, the one thing that benefits us from the Schengen agreement is rapid response when chasing criminals across borders.

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8163349)

You know exactly what I mean....

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8164165)

No, I don't know what you mean.

bitontheside: The problem from a UK perspective is people using their Schengen travel capability to wander through europe, arrive in France and then sneak in to the UK. The UK can't control that easily.

We can't rule the rest of Europe. We can't make decisions on the countries that are part of the Schengen agreement.

Pulling out of the EU would make no difference when it comes to people attempting to get into the UK through the back door. Our border controls are pretty tight here and because we are an island surrounded on all sides by the ocean, breaching those borders is far more perilous than the rest of Europe. Unlike us, European borders have to rely on honesty (people entering through correct border controls) but a person who wishes to breach those borders illegally would only have to walk a little off the beaten track to get into another country.

Our house in France is right on the Italian border. I've walked into Italy many times without having to go through border controls.

Unless the rest of Europe built something equivalent to the great wall of China or Hadrians wall and man those walls day and night with guards, people will always wander across borders without a problem.

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8164311)

It's the front door that worries me tbh.....

Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 8164311)

It's the front door that worries me tbh.....