Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 8139035)

Well by that logic he's a black boy and if you called him that it wouldn't be offensive because that's what he is...

Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 8139035)

Well by that logic he's a black boy and if you called him that it wouldn't be offensive because that's what he is...

Originally Posted by Jords (Post 8139051)

Im with you here. It seems that if youre in the minority group you are excluded from the label. It kind of reminds me of domesitc abuse - awareness, help and support is largely for when the female is abused compared to the male - but it exists.

Originally Posted by Chaos (Post 8139054)

You can't risk saying something like that though, because so many people could take offence. Even though it's true, like you said, it wouldnt be okay for Jords to say it back and there is another double standard.

Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 8139065)

There's a double standard because white people have used it in the past to demean black people. If someone called me a white boy I would not be offended – how is that offensive?

Originally Posted by Chaos (Post 8139072)

The double standard is that it's okay Jords' friend to call him whatever he wants, but not okay for Jords' to do the same. What has Jords' ever done to demean black people?

Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 8139078)

It's not okay to be called names at all. But being called "white boy" is not offensive. He can make it offensive if he wants to, that's up to him.

Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 8139065)

There's a double standard because white people have used it in the past to demean black people. If someone called me a white boy I would not be offended – how is that offensive?

Originally Posted by Jords (Post 8139090)

You would not address it? Why? Because you think its purely descriptive? Or out of fear?

You could argue that being addressed as "White Boy" demeans you as they only recognise you for the colour of your skin.

Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 8139102)

I've never been faced with it so I don't know how I would react to it.

If I was in a room full of black people then I would be the "white boy" because that's what I am. I'm not defensive of my skin colour. If they called me "gay boy" it would be different.

Originally Posted by Jords (Post 8139109)

but you are gay?

Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 8139035)

Well by that logic he's a black boy and if you called him that it wouldn't be offensive because that's what he is...

Originally Posted by Chaos (Post 8139045)

****ing. PREACH. my god if we were both straight i'd totally marry you. its so nice to have another gay who shares this opinion with me. I feel like this whole putting the most underprivileged people on a podium thing does so much more damage than good. People preach and whine about wanting equality, so why is it different when people who are 'less-privileged' get hatred for being who they are? Now Im not the best with words, so I do apologize if this doesn't make sense, but surely, if people want equality so much, isnt the whole point that we treat everyone equally? So why is it not as big of a deal, or as serious, when someone who is straight, or white or even male receives hatred. Should we care less because 'LOL white people?' or 'LOL heterophobia'

At the end of the day, if someone is made to feel **** for who they are as a person, isn't that all that matters? why does a persons history have to come into with what they are being made to feel at that moment

Originally Posted by Jords (Post 8139098)

Anyway I wasnt offended nor thought it was aimed to be offensive - but this is not the point - anyway we talk about getting white boy wasted now :joker:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8139129)

see you've pretty much answered the question there, you weren't offended......where as that guy probably would have been if it were the other way round becuase referring to him as black boy has certain connotations that "white boy" does not.

Originally Posted by Jords (Post 8139143)

Are you seriously telling me that if you argued with a black woman, lets say you took the last bag of frozen peas at Morrisons, and she called you a "****ing selfish White bitch" you would not consider that as a racist remark? :/

Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 8139148)

I'm sure Niamh would just be happy that she has the last bag of peas.

Originally Posted by Jords (Post 8139143)

Are you seriously telling me that if you argued with a black woman, lets say you took the last bag of frozen peas at Morrisons, and she called you a "****ing selfish White bitch" you would not consider that as a racist remark? :/

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 8139119)

:flutter: :clap1:

I'm sick of people using the 'minority card' to get away with doing and saying whatever they want about the majority, it makes a mockery of wanting true equality.

Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 8139148)

I'm sure Niamh would just be happy that she has the last bag of peas.

Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 8139191)

go away bitch

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8139170)

It would be a racial remark but I would be annoyed at the whole thing, being called selfish more so than white because white people have never been oppressed by black people, it doesn't carry the same weight as an insult. Also, in that instance it was being used in an aggressive way so I would be offended whether white was in there or not. The example you gave the guy was not using it in an argumentative way and you didn't take as such but you know that you referring to him as "black boy" would have been dodgy enough becaus eof the connotations that has

Also, Firewire, I don't give a **** about those peas, if it was the last bag of spuds though that bitch would be going down :smug:

Originally Posted by Jords (Post 8139215)

Thats all Im looking for. I dont care to what degree of offense you take each comment - its still offensive! :tongue: I completely understand connotations, history etc. etc. but they dont play the entire role of 'racism' - in fact I think they play a much smaller role between face-to-face interactions. We dont walk the streets thinking "they used to be slaves" or "they used to be masters" etc. - when a black and white person argue and race gets brought up its often purely the use of skin colour and any stereotypical associated personality traits (e.g. promiscuity, snobbery etc.)

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8139231)

I disagree completely Jords. I think I told this story before but from my own personal experiances - I used to live in London years agp, the area I lived in was mainly Asian and one night I was walking home from the tube station and a group of Asian guys started shouting stuff at me as I walked by, "stupid ****ing white bitch" was one of the things they shouted at me. I felt intimadated because there was a group of guys shouting at me late at night but tbh the racial remark I found amusing. On the other hand during my time in London I had many experiances with people using the fact that I was Irish as an insult against me and that would get me so angry because of the history there and I knew that those who were saying things like that to me thought that because I was Irish they were superior to me. That's the difference imo

Originally Posted by Firewire (Post 8139148)

I'm sure Niamh would just be happy that she has the last bag of peas.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8139250)

Heterophobia? lol. It doesn't exist.

The term 'heterophobia' makes me think of those white people who whine about Black History month because they want a White History Month. It's just self entitlement.

EDIT: Or straight people that want a Straight Pride parade, eurgh.