this is the debates section. We debate IDEAS and IDEALOGIES. I have not said anything personally attacking you or anyone else., just attacking the absolutely EVIL ideas of your religions.

This part of the forum is about debating the ideologies, and religions are all based on hateful exclusionary evil ideologies, IMO.

Some people have so much hate in them to the point they attack other users for no reason... really sad.

You can't make everything so black and white also and throw everybody in the same boat. I think you are forgetting that some Christians like myself don't take the bible word for word but some do.

Not everything is so plain and simple

He is talking about the views and teachings about homosexuals in the koran and bible. they dont make good reading.

I haven't seen anyone attack another user. All of the attacks have been on ideologies and belief systems.
I have seen some users try to shut down the debate when it wasn't going in their way though.

Censorship is another part of most religions, so it's not surprising that it's the religious people trying to get the thread shut down to censor the ideas they don't like.

Have you actually read the bible?

Matthew 7 - "7 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."

Koran (idk what verse this is) - "O you who believe, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by [offensive] nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after [one's] faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers."

also "Is not Allah the wiset of Judges?"
At-Tin 95 Verse 8

Yes I have, I have one in my bedroom and regularly we look at them in school o help us with our work :) Guess what? I go to a Catholic school I guess maybe that is evil also and I should move schools...

Josh anyone can quote lines of any large book to suit there means but if you are trying to say that Islam and Christianity are gay friendly then I am afraid you are making an error


Did you not see what happened to the senior Vatican priest who came out this week?


He was immediately sacked


what does that tell you?

Oh, and faith schools should absolutely not exist.

Almost, but not quite as bad as private schools.

Reading snippets is not what I mean. Have you read all of the OT for example and then all of the NT - I have,have you?

You are confused truly, the premise of religion is that you should follow a book/books constructed millennia ago is it not?
It's as apt now as it was then, used as a tool of social control by the powers that be and little more.

It tells me that the people who sacked him don't know their own book. It explicitly says that you shouldn't judge people because it is not your place and we're not all perfect.

Also, I haven't researched the Koran enough, but I know for a fact that there is a possibility of mistranslation with the Bible from Hebrew to English.. the trouble is that the word they translated to gay could also mean pedophile/rapist which is why it's difficult to know what they were meaning. But paired up with the 'do not judge' quote, you do the thinking..

No I haven't but I know the majority of the teachings in the bible?

Do I need to know it word for word to have a valid opinion?

I HAVE, and it's the OT is completely full of sheet. It makes no sense physically, it's clear that whoever wrote it had no concept of science or physics, there are too many examples of BS to even list, and it's full of racism, sexism homophobia and just general violent HATE.

The OT of the Bible is a disgusting hateful text that should be condemned by any sane person.

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@lostalex all your arguments are based on EXTREMIST forms of religion also so I don't even know why I am arguing because 99% of people who believe in their religion probably are not extremists and to reiterate my former point not everything is so black and white and you can't tarnish everyone with the same brush.

Apparentley this isn't offensive...

Yes you did. You attacked me based on the people my country when we were talking about whole another subject where i was explaining my point of view without attacking you said in my country there are women who get beat for no reason to use that against me like i approve whats happening here.

And now you are attacking to another user who did not disrespecting you even though we actually have very similar views on this one, i am going to defend them because you are actually spreading hate about this topic when you have every right to hate religions due to what is happening to us minorities (I hate religion as well but i dont have to bash it) but you dont have a right to bash people.

I think you should read it is you want to understand the over-arching messages. The OT is not the NT.


But can I ask are you happy that 2000 years ago (in the middle east) people could recall events from 100 years ago from when they lived and be trusted to write them down accurately - that people could be trusted to accurately record events based solely on hearsay?

I think you need to learn the concepts of liberal, fundamentalist, and literalist christianity.

The vast vast majority of christians (and jewish people) are the first two.

Homosexuality is treated in Roman Catholic Church teaching under two forms: homosexual orientation is considered an "objective disorder" because Catholicism views it as being "ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil", but not sinful unless acted upon.

Homosexual sexual activity, by contrast, is viewed as a "[B]moral disorder" and "homosexual acts" as "contrary to the natural law.

They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity."

The Catholic Church teaches that marriage can only be between a man and a woman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homose...an_Catholicism

This is a literalist viewpoint.

Did you even read my post on the translation thing??

Not really.

Just some of the people on this forum. It's the same people.

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this is like #notallmen all over again

Josh many people have tried to justify the outrages of the koran and bible by saying " well i dont see it that way, i interpretate it a different way"

but that is not how it works, that is not how its taught to children, not how its taught in mosques and churches


the cherry pickers have been around for a long time

I have to agree tbh quran is actually very hateful

exactly, what matters is how it affects real people in real life. Guess what, the people killing themselves or dying for religions are not interested in the intricacies of philosophical debate, they are just brainwashed by their religion and die and kill for it. and that's NOT okay. It's just wrong.

and I hope people here relise that calling out religion for the fake cult it is is not religion bashing its just doing what any sane and civilised society should do, just as we do with mediums, con-artists, frausters etc


note the only defence so far in this thread is to say "oh stop attacking me"

as usual

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ask any Muslim

"what is the punishment for apostasy"?

??? nobody has said that killing and brainwashing is okay in this thread though

You are jumping on the typical anti-religion bandwagon, and instead of replying to my posts properly,you are just continuing your hateful monologue. I give up trying to explain this to you.

Josh do you really believe all the supernatural claims of the Bible?

like walking on water, feeding the 5000, resurrection etc?