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Kizzy 14-11-2015 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8284880)
I never said he did.
He would if he got the chance though........

And he would fail and he would be legitimising their actions.
And I never suggested you did, the thread has diverged into two however the ISIS threat and the unrelated discussions had by Mr Corbyn with other bodies. That's some supposition there NM.

Kizzy 14-11-2015 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8284809)
:facepalm: This thread is descending into a Monty Python script.

Only PROBLEMS can be resolved by talking.

These terrorists have only one problem - How to rid the world of US -- in other words; anyone who does not believe what they believe.

How do you resolve that?

Sit down with them talk, then walk away to a respectable distance and behead yourself or blow yourself up?

I see posters coming soon from the deluded bleeding hearts:

"Support your favourite terrorists - give yourself a good old talking to then chop your own head off. Show them we care."
Hmmm that sounds familiar where have I heard that before?

Kazanne 14-11-2015 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8284703)
The atrocities which have just happened in Paris are not a victory for the evil terrorists - they are a victory for every deluded, self-blind, ideological, liberal bleeding heart who for decades now have lambasted our lone voices crying in the wilderness when we warned of all this, and ridiculed our messages of truth as xenophobic and racist.

These 'bleeding hearts' have all been very successful. They have intimidated and bullied and frightened the majority - who DO agree with US - into silence, with their sermons on 'Political Correctness' because that majority dare not speak the truth for fear of being labelled xenophobic or racist.

Corbyn's election has figurehead of a major political party is the result of those decades of subversiveness just as the bombings and massacres across the 'Free' world are.

Did any of these terrorist bastards drop into Paris by parachute from ISIS Military Jets?

No, of course not.

The French LET them in. Welcomed them. Housed them, gave them benefits, educations, jobs.

Just like us.
:clap1::clap1::clap1: Time for us to stop being so lily livered and kill these bastards

Northern Monkey 14-11-2015 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8284891)
And I never suggested you did, the thread has diverged into two however the ISIS threat and the unrelated discussions had by Mr Corbyn with other bodies. That's some supposition there NM.
The suggestion that Corbyn thinks that Jihadi John should have been arrested rather than killed was not brought up by me first but was totally related to the thread title.You are talking about Corbyns terrorist sympathies.You raise a good point though.Corbyn would more than likely relish the chance of tea and Digestives with ISIS.

Kizzy 14-11-2015 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8284897)
The suggestion that Corbyn thinks that Jihadi John should have been arrested rather than killed was not brought up by me first but was totally related to the thread title.You are talking about Corbyns terrorist sympathies.You raise a good point though.Corbyn would more than likely relish the chance of tea and Digestives with ISIS.
I didn't raise the point of Corbyn speaking with ISIS...you did.
What is wrong with suggesting he was arrested, could it have prevented possible revenge attacks? We have yet to see.
I am not talking about Corbyns terrorist sympathies at all I have expanded on the points raised relating to his past meetings in the spirit of peace and diplomacy ... again none of which were with ISIS.

Northern Monkey 14-11-2015 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8284919)
I didn't raise the point of Corbyn speaking with ISIS...you did.
What is wrong with suggesting he was arrested, could it have prevented possible revenge attacks? We have yet to see.
I am not talking about Corbyns terrorist sympathies at all I have expanded on the points raised relating to his past meetings in the spirit of peace and diplomacy ... again none of which were with ISIS.
Well what point were you raising and what exactly did it have to do with Jihadi John?I assumed you were talking about ISIS since that is what we're discussing here is'nt it?

DemolitionRed 14-11-2015 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitchell (Post 8282998)
Love that Corbyn is using this to try and get one over Cameron, yeah try and capture him and take him to trial, what the **** is he smoking? I'm not a Corbyn hater, but he sounds incredibly stupid.
Until you read this http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a6733611.html because it seems the relatives of those who were murdered find no solace in giving Jihadi John the honourable killing – the sensational martyrdom - that he sought from the beginning.

Kizzy 14-11-2015 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8284927)
Well what point were you raising and what exactly did it have to do with Jihadi John?I assumed you were talking about ISIS since that is what we're discussing here is'nt it?
I am raising the issue that Corbyn and Corbyn supporters increasingly seem to be accused of sympathising with ISIS.
What purpose did killing him serve? A captive terrorist is a contained powder keg.

Northern Monkey 14-11-2015 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8284829)
I'm sorry I really would rather you stick to the topic, involving analogy has never really worked for me.
Apart from when you're "relating to his past meetings in the spirit of peace and diplomacy ... again none of which were with ISIS.".......

And have nothing to do with Jihadi John whatsoever...

Northern Monkey 14-11-2015 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8284947)
I am raising the issue that Corbyn and Corbyn supporters increasingly seem to be accused of sympathising with ISIS.
What purpose did killing him serve? A captive terrorist is a contained powder keg.
Well i do not think Corbyn supporters sympathise with ISIS.Well maybe some do but as a whole i'd say not.Corbyn on the other hand i'm not so sure.

As for killing Jihadi John.He was taken out in the most efficient way possible without any American soldiers dying in the process.My point that i raised earlier was that if Corbyn had his way and was in control of the military he would risk the lives of soldiers needlessly in order to get Jihadi John into a courtroom.That alone imo makes him unfit to lead a country and its armed forces.

Kizzy 14-11-2015 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8284955)
Apart from when you're "relating to his past meetings in the spirit of peace and diplomacy ... again none of which were with ISIS.".......

And have nothing to do with Jihadi John whatsoever...
I related Corbyns work as a international diplomat to the discussion yes. The comparison of Corbyn to some MP who campaigned on behalf of the Kray twins is not relevant here no, not as I see it.

He has made comments relating to jihadi john, but as I said earlier the two are separate issues as I see them.

Kizzy 14-11-2015 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8284973)
Well i do not think Corbyn supporters sympathise with ISIS.Well maybe some do but as a whole i'd say not.Corbyn on the other hand i'm not so sure.

As for killing Jihadi John.He was taken out in the most efficient way possible without any American soldiers dying in the process.My point that i raised earlier was that if Corbyn had his way and was in control of the military he would risk the lives of soldiers needlessly in order to get Jihadi John into a courtroom.That alone imo makes him unfit to lead a country and its armed forces.
You are welcome to think that, my feeling is that by killing him we have sealed our fate as a direct target.
It may have been seen as unavoidable but personally I think it was a mistake.
Not getting him in a courtroom could have already cost over 100 innocent French people their lives.

bots 14-11-2015 01:26 PM
The event in Paris would have been planned will in advance of any strike on Jihadi John. It was Friday the 13th.

I personally don't like the triumphalist stance of the USA. They could just have let the Jihadi John killing pass, and then say later down the line when they were sure of their facts one way or another that they had taken him out. They look like complete fools now in my opinion.

billy123 14-11-2015 01:30 PM
I see the right wing nutters are out in force all the talk of murdering people for their actions makes you no better than they are.
Call me a bleeding heart all you want at least i have a heart. Call me a looney left all you like while you let yourself down by calling for the blood of others just like they call for yours.


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Northern Monkey 14-11-2015 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8284990)
You are welcome to think that, my feeling is that by killing him we have sealed our fate as a direct target.
It may have been seen as unavoidable but personally I think it was a mistake.
Not getting him in a courtroom could have already cost over 100 innocent French people their lives.
My personal feeling is that the Paris attack would have happened anyway.If it was revenge for Jihadi John it seems very quick off the mark.

Cherie 14-11-2015 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8284999)
My personal feeling is that the Paris attack would have happened anyway.If it was revenge for Jihadi John it seems very quick off the mark.
I agree with this it was far too coordinated, Is there even a game at the Stade de France every Friday ...this was a well planned attack just like all the others

Kizzy 14-11-2015 01:42 PM
I did say could...
I agree that the grandstanding could be seen as a challenge.

arista 14-11-2015 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bobnot (Post 8284998)
I see the right wing nutters are out in force all the talk of murdering people for their actions makes you no better than they are.
Call me a bleeding heart all you want at least i have a heart. Call me a looney left all you like while you let yourself down by calling for the blood of others just like they call for yours.


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MLK could say that back then.


Now Brits and Americans hostages got the Heads Cut off
Live on the Internet,

So Killing this London Evil Kid was the only way
of course once they do confirm 100%
he is dead

DemolitionRed 14-11-2015 02:13 PM
Lets remember that Jihadi John was merely a symbol of IS. He had no specialist skills, he had no ranking significance within IS but was just used as a side show by both IS and the west.

Whilst the death of Jihadi John may be seen as a prise for the west, I doubt his death has made a mark on IS or the people of Syria. This strategic infiltration by the Americans is impressive but I doubt this entire plot was to kill Jahadi John; it was about taking out an entire IS holding.

Northern Monkey 14-11-2015 02:24 PM
BBC News saying so far one French National suspected and a Syrian passport found near one of the terrorists.

Possibly the Syrians coming in with the refugees and meeting up with one or more French nationals who would know in more detail where the targets were?


EDIT:Sorry wrong thread.I'll copy to the correct one.

kirklancaster 14-11-2015 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8284897)
The suggestion that Corbyn thinks that Jihadi John should have been arrested rather than killed was not brought up by me first but was totally related to the thread title.You are talking about Corbyns terrorist sympathies.You raise a good point though.Corbyn would more than likely relish the chance of tea and Digestives with ISIS.
And - once again - How correct you are Paul.

joeysteele 14-11-2015 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8284864)
They are separate as Corbyn hasn't attempted to talk with ISIS either....
.... and would not either Kizzy.
Sadly we have to just accept these unfounded in the main slurs are going to keep coming at him.

That is not to say he would not support as other leaders should, any efforts to assist other Nations to try to find some one that could intermediate between them hoping to find some way of breaking down those awful organisation.

It does seem at present the only hope the world has is that this vile organisation turns on itself and breaks itself down.

Kizzy 14-11-2015 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 8285047)
.... and would not either Kizzy.
Sadly we have to just accept these unfounded in the main slurs are going to keep coming at him.

That is not to say he would not support as other leaders should, any efforts to assist other Nations to try to find some one that could intermediate between them hoping to find some way of breaking down those awful organisation.

It does seem at present the only hope the world has is that this vile organisation turns on itself and breaks itself down.
:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

kirklancaster 14-11-2015 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8284987)
I related Corbyns work as a international diplomat to the discussion yes. The comparison of Corbyn to some MP who campaigned on behalf of the Kray twins is not relevant here no, not as I see it.

He has made comments relating to jihadi john, but as I said earlier the two are separate issues as I see them.
INERNATIONAL DIPLOMAT? Who are you kidding?

I see no diplomacy being extended to the Israelis by Corbyn.

You must mean International Terrorist DOORMAT. But unfortunately, the OPEN DOOR Corbyn would like them all to enter through is the the one leaing directly into the UK. Thank God that the UK does not yet belong to him.

joeysteele 14-11-2015 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8285050)
:clap1: :clap1: :clap1:
I was given some better hope on QT on Thursday where a fair number in the audience thought the attacks on Corbyn was pathetic.

The Sun's representative got a very rough ride as to it.

Also he did say he sort of wished this individual Jihadi John ad been captured and today I have been amazed at how many agree in principle with that, and not only Labour supporters either.

lostalex 14-11-2015 02:48 PM
What does Corbyn think a trial would have accomplished? (same thing for Osama Bin Laden because i believe he said the same thing when OBL was killed by the US). Is there any doubt that he cut off an innocent person's head? so what is the purpose of a trial? to waste millions of tax dollars(pounds in this case) on prosecuting and housing that evil piece of **** for the rest of his life?

joeysteele 14-11-2015 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8285069)
What does Corbyn think a trial would have accomplished? is there any doubt that he cut off an innocent person's head? so what is the purpose of a trial? to waste millions of tax dollars(pounds in this case) on prosecuting and housing that evil piece of **** for the rest of his life?
There is the possible, even maybe very outside chance, that over time he could reveal the network of IS and also what their plans were and where too.

Maybe not the case since he was a brainwashed and programmed individual but one thing is sure, you learn very little and in fact probably nothing from dead men.

lostalex 14-11-2015 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 8285076)
There is the possible, even maybe very outside chance, that over time he could reveal the network of IS and also what their plans were and where too.

Maybe not the case since he was a brainwashed and programmed individual but one thing is sure, you learn very little and in fact probably nothing from dead men.
OIC, so Corbyn was hoping we could torture him til he gave up his comrades? I seriously doubt that was Corbyns thought process.

arista 14-11-2015 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8285069)
What does Corbyn think a trial would have accomplished? (same thing for Osama Bin Laden because i believe he said the same thing when OBL was killed by the US). Is there any doubt that he cut off an innocent person's head? so what is the purpose of a trial? to waste millions of tax dollars(pounds in this case) on prosecuting and housing that evil piece of **** for the rest of his life?

Alex loads in his own Party
have said he is wrong.

It would cause even more Deaths in the UK.

Nedusa 14-11-2015 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by bobnot (Post 8284998)
I see the right wing nutters are out in force all the talk of murdering people for their actions makes you no better than they are.
Call me a bleeding heart all you want at least i have a heart. Call me a looney left all you like while you let yourself down by calling for the blood of others just like they call for yours.


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Better then to just kneel down and wait for the knife to start cutting....:shrug:

DemolitionRed 14-11-2015 04:26 PM
The thing is, none of us really know he's dead do we? and we never will. This is poor closure for the families of his victims don't you think?

jennyjuniper 14-11-2015 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8282883)
In the immortal words of the Dave Clark Five:

"He's in pieces, bits and pieces"

to which Dave also has the response:

"And I'm feelling Glad All Over". :laugh:
:cheer2::dance::laugh:

Denver 14-11-2015 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8285255)
The thing is, none of us really know he's dead do we? and we never will. This is poor closure for the families of his victims don't you think?
Apparently the US have video evidence from the drone but will never release it.

joeysteele 14-11-2015 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8285114)
OIC, so Corbyn was hoping we could torture him til he gave up his comrades? I seriously doubt that was Corbyns thought process.
Where on earth did I say that and Corbyn certainly did not either,torture is not allowed in this Country but time can do a lot to someone, if you just keep at them.

Quite frankly however while not a violent man myself, the people he helped behead had months of torture.
Then a freak like him standing over them talking while they knew he was going to literally hack their heads off.
Subjected not only themselves to humiliation in the videos but causing massive pain and distress to their loved ones watching too.
They had to suffer slowly and for a large uncertain time.
Giving him what he wanted with a likely quick death seems all lop sided as to what he should have been made to suffer.

joeysteele 14-11-2015 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by arista (Post 8285131)
Alex loads in his own Party
have said he is wrong.

It would cause even more Deaths in the UK.
I know of people in the Conservative party who think we should get these people alive, it is not just Labour arista.
I won't even add what some of them think should be done with them once caught too.

arista 14-11-2015 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 8285315)
I know of people in the Conservative party who think we should get these people alive, it is not just Labour arista.
I won't even add what some of them think should be done with them once caught too.


You take him to court
Other Terrorists Blow up shopping Malls
same day
would never work Joey

joeysteele 14-11-2015 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by arista (Post 8285322)
You take him to court
Other Terrorists Blow up shopping Malls
same day
would never work Joey
Maybe not but nothing is working now and things are just being allowed to get worse.

Mitchell 14-11-2015 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8284930)
Until you read this http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a6733611.html because it seems the relatives of those who were murdered find no solace in giving Jihadi John the honourable killing – the sensational martyrdom - that he sought from the beginning.
But how exactly are we supposed to find him, capture him and take him to trial without risking lives of troops?

Kazanne 14-11-2015 06:55 PM
I don't care as long as he is dead,I'de like proof the scum was washed away.

DemolitionRed 14-11-2015 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mitchell (Post 8285837)
But how exactly are we supposed to find him, capture him and take him to trial without risking lives of troops?
I don't know the answer to that Mitchell and perhaps there isn't one. I was just pointing out that Corbyn wasn't alone in his thoughts, the relatives of the victims felt the same way.


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